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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I think this highlights another problem with remakes, I had completely forgotten about the live action Jungle Book despite it being in my “good” remake category.

With the exception of the unique stories like Cruella, Maleficent, etc I’ll probably never choose to watch a remake again over the originals.
I think this highlights just an overall issue with the industry as a whole, there is so much content that it becomes hard to remember everything that has been released, not to mention rewatchability of any or all of it.
 

Baloo124

Premium Member
To this day, that's the movie I'll cite if you ever want to see two completely expressionless children.
Yeah they definitely could have added more realistic life into their emotions. Burton does that in his movies for some reason. While that may work in something darker like Sleepy Hollow or Adams Family, it does stand out as odd in a story like Dumbo.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think this highlights just an overall issue with the industry as a whole, there is so much content that it becomes hard to remember everything that has been released, not to mention rewatchability of any or all of it.
Is the rest of the “industry” doing repetitive live action retakes of cartoons?

I think not everything can be labeled as “THEY ALL DO IT!!”
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
Is the rest of the “industry” doing repetitive live action retakes of cartoons?

I think not everything can be labeled as “THEY ALL DO IT!!”

I read Irish's comment as a general statement about the glut of content, much of which has no features that make it particularly memorable. e.g. Quick! Tell me something about the Netflix movie of the week from 4 years ago!

[I Care a Lot, for those wondering what the NF MotW 4 years ago was.]
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Is the rest of the “industry” doing repetitive live action retakes of cartoons?

I think not everything can be labeled as “THEY ALL DO IT!!”
I know you like to make everything we discuss being exclusively a Disney problem, but this isn't isolated to just the remakes or even Disney. Consumers have access to more content than any time in the history of media, and a lot of it is very forgettable shortly after its been consumed. The average human brain doesn't have the capacity to remember all the content released today let alone what released 5-6 years ago. Disney with the remakes tries to rely on nostalgia to cut through all the noise, but even that is getting drowned out as we can see.

Also as has been pointed out, as Disney has been mostly successful with the remakes other studios are now trying to replicate that with their properties, "How to Train Your Dragon" is Uni's latest attempt to replicate the same thing Disney has done for years. So it ain't going anywhere, because if that works then expect Disney to continue with theirs at least in some capacity.
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
I couldn’t disagree more. And I’m not sure why Disney would want to do it.

If they were both the same, why would a live action version make a ton of money?
Because people like what people like. The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast both grossed $500 million domestic. The Lion King made took in $1.6 billion world wide on a $260 million production cost and BatB grossed $1.2 billion costing $160 million to make. And I'm certainly not an expert on the remakes, but as best I can tell, these two stuck the closest to their originals.

The purpose of these films (and the whole company) is to make money.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Because people like what people like. The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast both grossed $500 million domestic. The Lion King made took in $1.6 billion world wide on a $260 million production cost and BatB grossed $1.2 billion costing $160 million to make. And I'm certainly not an expert on the remakes, but as best I can tell, these two stuck the closest to their originals.

The purpose of these films (and the whole company) is to make money.
That is a factor yes, but you have to look beyond just the monetary part for these individual films. The idea with these remakes is not to just make X amount on remake movie Y, its to introduce and in some cases reinvent a franchise for a new generation. The original movie is still there for those that enjoy it, but it doesn't have the same nostalgia factor for new generations coming up today that are sometimes 30+ years removed from the source. Because if you can get a next generations hooked on the remake that becomes the nostalgia that fuels revenue for decades to come way beyond what an individual film can bring in.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I know you like to make everything we discuss being exclusively a Disney problem, but this isn't isolated to just the remakes or even Disney. Consumers have access to more content than any time in the history of media, and a lot of it is very forgettable shortly after its been consumed. The average human brain doesn't have the capacity to remember all the content released today let alone what released 5-6 years ago. Disney with the remakes tries to rely on nostalgia to cut through all the noise, but even that is getting drowned out as we can see.

Also as has been pointed out, as Disney has been mostly successful with the remakes other studios are now trying to replicate that with their properties, "How to Train Your Dragon" is Uni's latest attempt to replicate the same thing Disney has done for years. So it ain't going anywhere, because if that works then expect Disney to continue with theirs at least in some capacity.
I would cease making it “about disney” if about 5 cherished posters wouldn’t splain away every mistake or questionable judgment on their part…
…there’s no “loyalty test” here
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I would cease making it “about disney” if about 5 cherished posters wouldn’t splain away every mistake or questionable judgment on their part…
…there’s no “loyalty test” here
And no one is going to take your charter membership card to the "Iger must go" club if you didn't make every post about Disney.

But getting back on topic, if Disney hasn't been successful with the remakes then why are other Studios (primarily arguably their top rival) starting to do the same thing? So its clearly working even if we as "fans" may not like them.
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
That is a factor yes, but you have to look beyond just the monetary part for these individual films. The idea with these remakes is not to just make X amount on remake movie Y, its to introduce and in some cases reinvent a franchise for a new generation. The original movie is still there for those that enjoy it, but it doesn't have the same nostalgia factor for new generations coming up today that are sometimes 30+ years removed from the source. Because if you can get a next generations hooked on the remake that becomes the nostalgia that fuels revenue for decades to come way beyond what an individual film can bring in.
QUESTION: How do you "introduce a franchise for a new generation" and "get the next generation hooked on the remake"?

ANSWER: You get the next generation to actually watch the film.

QUESTION: How do you know how much of the next generation has watched the remake?

ANSWER: The best way to tell is how many tickets were purchased.

QUESTION: Which remakes sold the most amount of tickets (and made the most money in relation to their production costs)?

ANSWER: The ones that stuck the closest to the original films and made minimal changes.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
QUESTION: How do you "introduce a franchise for a new generation" and "get the next generation hooked on the remake"?

ANSWER: You get the next generation to actually watch the film.

QUESTION: How do you know how much of the next generation has watched the remake?

ANSWER: The best way to tell is how many tickets were purchased.

QUESTION: Which remakes sold the most amount of tickets (and made the most money in relation to their production costs)?

ANSWER: The ones that stuck the closest to the original films and made minimal changes.
That is your take on it, but that is not the only or even ultimate answer. As not everything can get shot for shot remakes for a variety of reasons, least of which being the common response given by many here "If its a shot for shot remake why do you need it in the first place".
 

AdventureHasAName

Well-Known Member
Good luck with the original Snow White lol.
Well, the company has certainly chosen to go a different way. Let's see how it works out for them and then we'll be able to tell if my recommendation was better than their plan.

DIFFICULTY: I have yet to make a decision on behalf of the WDC that has cost them 100+ million dollars.
 

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