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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Animaniac93-98
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The current 79% audience score may be more of a reflection of the usual MCU opening night crowd than general audiences, who may not have liked it as much.
Agreed… I am seeing a lot of I I don’t usually care for comic book movies but I enjoyed this comments on film vlogs
TalkingHead
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Five years of MCU’s wobbly and declining popularity and they’re just gonna right the ship with an Avengers movies next year featuring the characters from the films responsible for the wobbly and diminishing popularity? I’m having a hard time seeing it, and that’s apart from the budget and social factors around moviegoing.
There’s no entry point for general audiences. These things are increasingly playing to people in the 30s-50s age demo. My hunch is they’re destined to become more like Star Trek as time goes on.
There’s no entry point for general audiences. These things are increasingly playing to people in the 30s-50s age demo. My hunch is they’re destined to become more like Star Trek as time goes on.
Farerb
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The MCU is like a TV show that jumped the shark after its third season. Sometimes there'll be a decent episode, but the overall quality is just not there.
Unfortunately, my brother wants to go to Captain America and forcing me to go with him and I just don't care at all at this point. I was never a fan of Captain America's films.
Unfortunately, my brother wants to go to Captain America and forcing me to go with him and I just don't care at all at this point. I was never a fan of Captain America's films.
Animaniac93-98
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The last 2 years suggest audiences are getting more selective about what MCU titles they'll support.
There was hype for Deadpool and Wolverine because both characters were still popular and there was a novelty in having them paired together. Guardians 3, like Black Panther 2, benefitted from the appeal of those particular characters/stories.
Ant Man 3, The Marvels and this? People aren't going to show up and like everything anymore. Giving Marvel the benefit of the doubt has been eroded by titles like these and all the Sony stuff.
I still expect Fantastic Four to do well, as they haven't had a movie in a while, but Thunderbolts may not. Especially since it's the next release after Captain America 4 and doesn't have any of the major, popular characters.
There was hype for Deadpool and Wolverine because both characters were still popular and there was a novelty in having them paired together. Guardians 3, like Black Panther 2, benefitted from the appeal of those particular characters/stories.
Ant Man 3, The Marvels and this? People aren't going to show up and like everything anymore. Giving Marvel the benefit of the doubt has been eroded by titles like these and all the Sony stuff.
I still expect Fantastic Four to do well, as they haven't had a movie in a while, but Thunderbolts may not. Especially since it's the next release after Captain America 4 and doesn't have any of the major, popular characters.
Sirwalterraleigh
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And they’d be right on both counts
Sirwalterraleigh
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My gut tells me they’ll go 0-3 this year…so we’ll see
Sirwalterraleigh
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I don’t…fantastic four just doesn’t draw eyes
They could go 0-3 this year
And this new avengers movie they have cooking really seems like the worst idea ever
Farerb
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I think you're probably right. My brother is a casual fan of the MCU, one who doesn't bother with internet fandom. He told me he had no interest in the upcoming Fantastic Four's film, that they had too many chances in film adaptations and they aren't as popular as Spider-Man to justify another film adaptation.
AdventureHasAName
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The problem with the Fantastic Four is that the main character is Doctor Doom (and always has been). And they consistently screw up that character every time they try to adapt the Fantastic Four to film.
And they are screwing it up again this time with the RDJ stunt casting.
The majority of the general movie going public don’t follow comics…. It is probably less then 1% that do…. They just want an entertaining film
TalkingHead
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I think Fantastic Four has the best breakout chance. It’s a starting point movie, so no homework required, summer release, appealing cast, a distinctive period piece hook.
But it will be the third MCU title in six months and the fourth(?) superhero film in that same time, so also seems possible that it gets lost in the mix or audiences tune out. Smartest thing Disney did last year was have a massive gap in MCU releases before Deadpool. Pent up demand was rewarded.
But Fantastic Four characters also don’t have a history of generating any enthusiasm with general movie audiences, so I wouldn’t bet money on it either way.
Agent H
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They released2 to 3 films every year before the pandemic and that wasn’t a problem
TalkingHead
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That was six years ago when they had an overarching storyline building to a finale with a roster of popular actor/character combos. None of that is true in 2025.
AdventureHasAName
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In order for a film to make the kind of money that these MCU tentpole films need to make (to recoup their investment), you need (1) mass appeal and (2) multiple viewings from the core fans. That means you need full buy-in from the nerds (I include myself in that category). And on adaptations, the nerds typically only give full buy-in when the source material beloved and is strictly adhered to.
The "general moving going public" listens to the nerds when it comes to fantasy films. If the nerds are super excited and giving the film great reviews, the public follows. That 1% that do follow comics are the most important people in this scenario by far. And that 1% knows every single detail about the character Doctor Doom and his importance to Marvel.
The most important thing ever to happen in the MCU was the post credit scene in Iron Man because the nerds heard the word "Avengers" and didn't shut up about it for years. The public followed.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Yeah…I agree
I did like Julian McMahon…but they don’t understand the weight of doom in that story
It’s like Batman…the important actor to get right is always the joker…any stiff can work wearing the ears
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Totally different scenario…they did well on the origin stories and nailed the team ups…
Even the “worst” team up - age of ultron - was much better conceived and written than any MCU movie of the last 5 years except maybe guardians 3
Sirwalterraleigh
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Kinda sucks that they have stopped making entertaining MCU films then, huh?
Another issue besides it coming out just two weeks after Superman is that the big July 4th weekend release is Jurassic World Rebirth. The Jurassic Park/World franchise has been a quietly reliable money-spinner, and bad reviews for the recent installments didn't hinder that. I can see both superhero movies being undercut, especially in foreign markets, if this seventh installment follows a similar path.
But yeah, there's also the fact that they have tried 3 (or 4, depending on Rise of the Silver Surfer) times to make the Fantastic Four happen as movie characters and it does not happen!