Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Marvel can and has appealed to many demographics whether male or female. This idea that it should only appeal to the male demographic is outdated, especially considering how the next generation feels about such things.

So Marvel really needs to appeal less toward a specific gender and rather toward a younger demographic of any gender. That is the key to revitalizing the brand. They tried to start passing the torch by slowly introducing the Young Avengers, but did it in a way that many just weren't interested in yet, via the D+ shows.

It'll take awhile to get the next generation engaged. But the payoff will be huge, as you can't stick with the older generation as they are falling off. Got to replace them as time goes on. And that next generation doesn't care as much about whether something is geared toward male or female.
Seems kind of weird to think women are going to be interested in something that historically just hasn’t been their thing. It’s been geared towards males because that’s who read the comics. That's who generally likes super hero and action movies. Whether we want to admit it or not, men and women are different. Adding more female super heroes won’t change that. And that’s okay.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
It's like how Star Wars fans have turned against the brand because it doesn't give them the warm feelings at 50 like it did when they were 12.
I'll tell you what, the baby yoda reveal at the end of Mandos first episode came dang close. And if you would have told me they were doing it beforehand, I would have said it's ridiculous. So it can be done.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Marvel can and has appealed to many demographics whether male or female. This idea that it should only appeal to the male demographic is outdated, especially considering how the next generation feels about such things.

I take it you've got an HR manager looking over your shoulder while you type? Tell her I said hi. ;)

So Marvel really needs to appeal less toward a specific gender and rather toward a younger demographic of any gender. That is the key to revitalizing the brand.

What made the Marvel brand so powerful and profitable in the first place? Hint: It wasn't going after teenage girls.

Disney bought Marvel in 2009 to have a brand that would appeal to teenage boys and young men. The scientific facts of human biology established in our ancestors 100,000 years ago haven't changed since 2009, and neither have teenage boys.

It'll take awhile to get the next generation engaged.

Why? Why is Gen Z already abandoning Marvel in huge numbers? Teens very quickly adopt any new craze or fad, whether its clothing or dances or music or celebs. The kids will engage immediately if it's a thing that's engaging for them.

But the payoff will be huge, as you can't stick with the older generation as they are falling off. Got to replace them as time goes on.

This is not a business concept exclusive to Marvel, or Disney. It's the same basic concept that all companies face, whether they sell toothpaste or cars or shoes or kitchen appliances or movies.

In the past few years, Disney has failed at that basic business concept with some of its flagship brands; Star Wars, Marvel, and now even Walt Disney Animation. Just like any other company whose customers don't live forever, Disney has to figure this out ASAP. I would suggest firing a dozen or so studio executives and resetting their entire corporate culture.

And stop taking business advice and consumer insight from the next brunch table in Silver Lake! 🧐
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I take it you've got an HR manager looking over your shoulder while you type? Tell her I said hi. ;)
Nope, I'm one of those work from home people that you think don't work and only drink Merlot. So no one looking over my shoulder.

What made the Marvel brand so powerful and profitable in the first place? Hint: It wasn't going after teenage girls.

Disney bought Marvel in 2009 to have a brand that would appeal to teenage boys and young men. The scientific facts of biology haven't changed since 2009, and neither have teenage boys.
Disney might have originally bought Marvel back in 2009 to enhance their appeal to males. But times change and its no longer just for males.

Studies show that as of 2021 up to 47% of MCU viewers were female even though female characters only accounted for 10% of screen time in the MCU.



Why? Why is Gen Z already abandoning Marvel in huge numbers?
They aren't abandoning, they have just been slow to come on-board and remain engaged. And its because Gen Z tends to consume their content differently than older generation, ie they don't tend to watch traditional TV or go to the movies as much. Its an issue that is plaguing many Studios in Hollywood, and the reason many are diving head first into streaming and other newer mediums such as Tiktok. If you want to go after the Tiktok generation you have to engage them differently.

This is not a business concept exclusive to Marvel, or Disney. It's the same basic concept that all companies face, whether they sell toothpaste or cars or shoes or kitchen appliances or movies.

In the past few years, Disney has failed at that basic business concept with some of its flagship brands; Star Wars, Marvel, and now even Walt Disney Animation. Just like any other company whose customers don't live forever, Disney has to figure this out ASAP. I would suggest firing a dozen or so studio executives and resetting their entire corporate culture.

And stop taking business advice and consumer insight from the next brunch table in Silver Lake! 🧐

Sorry but I live almost 400 miles away from Silver Lake, and I don't "brunch". But I can see the trends in media and see that the older generations and old ways of Hollywood aren't going to work with the next generations.

So just like every other company as you mentioned, Disney has to adjust to the way the next generation engages with content.
 

TsWade2

Well-Known Member
I know Irish, I know. I need to stop being overdramatic. But I can't help myself!
Sad Cry GIF
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Seems kind of weird to think women are going to be interested in something that historically just hasn’t been their thing. It’s been geared towards males because that’s who read the comics. That's who generally likes super hero and action movies. Whether we want to admit it or not, men and women are different. Adding more female super heroes won’t change that. And that’s okay.
Doesn't seem weird when you consider that 47% of MCU viewers have been female even though female characters only had 10% screen time.

The issue isn't adding more female characters, though that wouldn't hurt, its realizing that the MCU and comics in general isn't just a "boy club" anymore.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Doesn't seem weird when you consider that 47% of MCU viewers have been female even though female characters only had 10% screen time.

The issue isn't adding more female characters, though that wouldn't hurt, its realizing that the MCU and comics in general isn't just a "boy club" anymore.
47% because they are fans and it would be their first choice movie? Or 47% because a good chunk decided to go with their male friend, boyfriend, partner, spouse who is the actual fan?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
47% because they are fans and it would be their first choice movie? Or 47% because a good chunk decided to go with their male friend, boyfriend, partner, spouse who is the actual fan?
47% that report as fans. Why is it so hard to believe that women today can be a fan of something that previously was only seen as traditionally for males?
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
why does it have to be either or?
Because the genre appeals to men more than women. So when you don’t gear it towards men, you lose the core audience and the women won’t make up the difference. When they try to land in the middle, they get no one.

Honestly, it’s really ok for females to like things that males like, it’s not going to hurt anyone.
it is perfectly okay. But in reality they have different interests from time to time.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Because the genre appeals to men more than women. So when you don’t gear it towards men, you lose the core audience and the women won’t make up the difference. When they try to land in the middle, they get no one.
And yet the core audience is actually older generations that end up 53%/47% male/female. So yeah its only slightly skewed male.

So the idea is to go after the next generation and bring them along, which care less about traditional genre biases.

it is perfectly okay. But in reality they have different interests from time to time.
And yet they can have the same interests from time to time.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Marvel can and has appealed to many demographics whether male or female. This idea that it should only appeal to the male demographic is outdated,
100% it appealed to just about everyone, there's no doubt about it. Here's my question. If Marvel appealed to male and female, old and young, with the mcu very much aimed at the male demographic, what needed to change? We've seen the numbers with the marvels. The woman didn't seem to show up. It was what, 60 some percent male? So maybe the woman liked when it was aimed more towards the male audience as well? I know my wife and daughter did. Obviously there's more to it than just this, it's not just one magic fix.
So Marvel really needs to appeal less toward a specific gender and rather toward a younger demographic of any gender. That is the key to revitalizing the brand.
Maybe. But if that younger generation doesn't seem to be all that interested in what you're doing. Why shift away from a demo that was all in? I understand the need to gain new blood, but I'm not real sure the younger generation cares all that much either.
 

Ghost93

Well-Known Member
I've been thinking, could it be that we have just grown up and Disney isn't what we remember from our childhood. It's like how Star Wars fans have turned against the brand because it doesn't give them the warm feelings at 50 like it did when they were 12. Disney movies are not designed for us anymore. It is for small kids but we are smart enough read between the lines for objectional content as adults that we would have not understood as children.

Disney isn't like ice cream. It's possible to not like it later in life.
I'm seeing on social media a lot of revisionist history about how the Atlantis/Treasure Planet/Brother Bear era of Disney was peak Disney and how Disney "doesn't make them like that anymore." Which I find amusing since I remember growing up during that era and at that time a lot of adults were lamenting the death of Disney Animation and how far the company had fallen from the early 90s.

I suspect in 20 years, we are going to get a lot of retrospectives about how Strange World and Wish are underrated gems. Nostalgia can really give people a rose-tinted view of everything.
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
Disney obviously has a huge trust issue. Interesting acknowledgment from the Annual SEC report.

In its annual SEC report, Disney acknowledges that “we face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products.” In an implied nod to Smith, the company observes that “the success of our businesses depends on our ability to consistently create compelling content,” and that “Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient consumer acceptance. Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands.”
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
100% it appealed to just about everyone, there's no doubt about it. Here's my question. If Marvel appealed to male and female, old and young, with the mcu very much aimed at the male demographic, what needed to change? We've seen the numbers with the marvels. The woman didn't seem to show up. It was what, 60 some percent male? So maybe the woman liked when it was aimed more towards the male audience as well? I know my wife and daughter did. Obviously there's more to it than just this, it's not just one magic fix.

Maybe. But if that younger generation doesn't seem to be all that interested in what you're doing. Why shift away from a demo that was all in? I understand the need to gain new blood, but I'm not real sure the younger generation cares all that much either.
I don't have all the answer, nor do I get paid to come up with them. But I can say that they need to continue (or get back to) appealing to everyone not just a certain demographic. The characters and story arcs that do that best is what should be used.
 

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