News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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tribbleorlfl said:
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."
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Yes...

But I more meant that the backstory was after the inevitable nuclear war/33% extinction event....they realized that currency/profit and hoarding resources was the problem...

...and did away with it. The Medici run will have to go...or else it won’t matter if Willis and affleck drill a hole in the asteroid.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
There can’t be because Roy E Disney was the mastermind of that.

No such person exists anymore.
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Ol’ Roy E could use a re-evaluation. Did he object to all the bad things Eisner and company did when the stock price was high? For that matter, did he kill deliberately kill Ron Miller’s attempt to turn the company around?
 
Tom P.

Tom P.

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Yes...

But I more meant that the backstory was after the inevitable nuclear war/33% extinction event....they realized that currency/profit and hoarding resources was the problem...

...and did away with it. The Medici run will have to go...or else it won’t matter if Willis and affleck drill a hole in the asteroid.
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Although it's probably pointless to debate the details of a fictional universe...

There is actually plenty of evidence of money existing in Kirk's era. We see people purchasing stuff, they talk about "credits," Kirk refers to Scotty earning his pay for the week, Kirk tells Spock that the Federation has spent a lot of money on their training, etc.

It really isn't until Picard's era that we see evidence of the Federation being a moneyless economy, and that's after the invention of the replicator had pretty much eliminated any traditional notions of scarcity.
 
Tom P.

Tom P.

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tribbleorlfl said:
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."
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I also find it interesting that if you look at the "trilogy" of classic Trek films in which that quote recurs (Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home), the actual message of the films is that the reverse is true. In fact, Kirk says as much at the end of Search for Spock when Spock asks him why they all did what they did.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Tom P. said:
Although it's probably pointless to debate the details of a fictional universe...

There is actually plenty of evidence of money existing in Kirk's era. We see people purchasing stuff, they talk about "credits," Kirk refers to Scotty earning his pay for the week, Kirk tells Spock that the Federation has spent a lot of money on their training, etc.

It really isn't until Picard's era that we see evidence of the Federation being a moneyless economy, and that's after the invention of the replicator had pretty much eliminated any traditional notions of scarcity.
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...but not the good guys. And it was stupid till Picard.
You don’t want to be like the Ferengi...led by Rex the dinosaur
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Tom P. said:
I also find it interesting that if you look at the "trilogy" of classic Trek films in which that quote recurs (Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home), the actual message of the films is that the reverse is true. In fact, Kirk says as much at the end of Search for Spock when Spock asks him why they all did what they did.
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That’s what was brilliant...the duality of Spock and Kirk...criss crossing each other for personal or duty reasons for the better part of 3 decades...

It’s brilliant...unlike rian Johnson 🤬
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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the.dreamfinder said:
Ol’ Roy E could use a re-evaluation. Did he object to all the bad things Eisner and company did when the stock price was high? For that matter, did he kill deliberately kill Ron Miller’s attempt to turn the company around?
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Maybe...but it doesn’t matter...he is still on the mt Rushmore of Disney and won’t be replaced. He was probably second...to be honest.
 
gmajew

gmajew

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Current Rumor is that Disney will add a significant amount of cash to the deal. Several analyst have stated that Disney is a no win situation here as if they do not get the deal they will see a stock drop while at the same time if they get the deal they may see a stock drop long term because of the additional debt etc.
 
Indy_UK

Indy_UK

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gmajew said:
Current Rumor is that Disney will add a significant amount of cash to the deal. Several analyst have stated that Disney is a no win situation here as if they do not get the deal they will see a stock drop while at the same time if they get the deal they may see a stock drop long term because of the additional debt etc.
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Disney will make it back in no time.

What’s interesting is that Disney hasn’t yet made a bid for the 61% of Sky. They said they would buy SKY News so that Fox can continue to purchase SKY but I don’t think Disney’s offer was based on Fox getting 100% ownership of SKY
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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gmajew said:
Current Rumor is that Disney will add a significant amount of cash to the deal. Several analyst have stated that Disney is a no win situation here as if they do not get the deal they will see a stock drop while at the same time if they get the deal they may see a stock drop long term because of the additional debt etc.
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I know the no win narrative came up yesterday, but I don’t buy it. If they lose Fox, they get to say they didn’t overpay for assets, and will reinvest in growth opportunities, dividends and share repurchases. Wall Street will be very happy.
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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Retro Oswald said:
Disney will make it back in no time.

What’s interesting is that Disney hasn’t yet made a bid for the 61% of Sky. They said they would buy SKY News so that Fox can continue to purchase SKY but I don’t think Disney’s offer was based on Fox getting 100% ownership of SKY
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I agree. I’ve been thinking this was the most interesting detail of this saga. Comcast’s threat and eventual offer for Fox kept Fox from countering. But Disney could have entered the fray at any moment, which tells me, Disney was always willing to sacrifice SKY.

Also...if Disney really wanted SKY why didn’t they offer to buy SKY in December when the reports came back that ‘it was not in the public interest’ for Fox to buy SKY. And was Disney going to pay more than $52.4B for Fox, if Fox had completed the SKY acquisition (or maybe just assume more debt?). It feels like there hasn’t been much information out there that stated how Disney was going to handle the full SKY purchase.
 
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happycamperuni

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Disney already has enough content to make an ESPN streaming service and a global content service with Disney/Pixar/Lucasfilm/Marvel and the rest of their tv content from ABC to Disney XD/Jr.

So I don't see how they lose if they walk away if Comcast makes a stupidly large offer.
 
larryz

larryz

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Tom P. said:
Remember, James T. Kirk doesn't believe in the no-win scenario...
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