News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition

brodie999

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Slpy3270

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Putting aside the idiotic "Disney should buy Sony" theories (Stop wishing for it; it's not happening!!), there's an interesting footnote from the Bloomberg article reporting on Mexico's clearance of the deal. (Source here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-closer-as-mexico-said-to-approve-with-terms)

Beyond sports programming, Disney must keep its National Geographic brand separate from its A&E’s channels, which include A&E, History, H2 and Lifetime.

Safe to say that with these conditions and Hearst potentially buying the European channels, Disney won't be keeping A&E Networks within their fold for much longer.
 

seascape

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So the deal is closing nine days before no-deal Brexit is triggered (let's face it, no-deal Brexit is happening because everyone in Parliament is brain-dead and indifferent to the social consequences of it) that will send the UK economy into a death spiral and affect Disney's broadcasting licenses in Europe.

If I were a Disney investor (which, I am, lol), I'd better hope Disney is prepared for the economic shock that will greatly effect the international rollout of the deal.



That assumes a) the RSN, Mexico and Brazilian (and presumably Chilean, unless noted otherwise) sports channels and A&E Europe stakes sales go well, and B) we don't get a recession next year, which we're 99% likely to get.
There will not be a recession in 2020. Maybe 2021 or 2022 but the economy will still grow this year and next. As for Brexit, the English are smart in being the first ones out of the EU because unless Germany decides to step up and take their rightful place in the EU and subsidize Southern Europe the EU will fall apart in 2021 or 2022 causing a recession. The only question is when.
 

bartholomr4

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Reuters•March 12, 2019 8:29PM EST
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's telecoms regulator said on Tuesday it had approved the Walt Disney Co's $71 billion (54.3 billion pounds) purchase of Twenty-First Century Fox Inc's film and television assets, subject to conditions, including the sale of Fox Sports channels.

The Federal Telecommunications Institute (IFT) said because the combined audiovisual content of the two in the field of "factual" programming on pay TV would be worth more than 40 percent of the market, steps would need to be taken.

That meant ensuring a separation of licensing and provision between Fox's National Geographic and Nat Geo Wild channels, and the A&E, History, H2 and Lifetime networks of Disney, the IFT said.

"As the accumulation (of market power) is considerable, the finding was that measures of conduct would not be enough, so structural measures were chosen, as occurred in other parts of the world," the IFT said in a statement.

As a result, the IFT said it had ordered the "divestiture or sale" of the Fox Sports channels and all the assets of that business as a condition to approve the deal.

Disney won a bidding war last year against cable company Comcast Corp to acquire Fox's assets.

The U.S. Justice Department has said Disney, which owns cable sports network ESPN, must divest Fox's 22 networks that provide sports programming for regional and local markets.
 

Rodan75

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Putting aside the idiotic "Disney should buy Sony" theories (Stop wishing for it; it's not happening!!), there's an interesting footnote from the Bloomberg article reporting on Mexico's clearance of the deal. (Source here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-closer-as-mexico-said-to-approve-with-terms)



Safe to say that with these conditions and Hearst potentially buying the European channels, Disney won't be keeping A&E Networks within their fold for much longer.


We discussed this dynamic a few months agoin this thread. The assets being spun off with A&E networks are small and have minimal impact on revenue. I wouldn’t assume any changes to the broader A&E structure in the near term. Those US assets still make plenty of money.
 

Rodan75

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Yeah, Disney is gonna have to buy Sony fast so they don't mess up any more Spider-Man characters.Those shows would be like ASM2 and Spider-Man 3 all over again.


What I don’t get. Is that not that long ago, Sony lost any TV rights to the spider-man IP. I’m assuming the MCU deal gave some of that back? Or maybe. Marvel is approving and endorsing this?
 

brodie999

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What I don’t get. Is that not that long ago, Sony lost any TV rights to the spider-man IP. I’m assuming the MCU deal gave some of that back? Or maybe. Marvel is approving and endorsing this?
I agree. Maybe this is a sign these Spider-Man spin off shows are set in the MCU with Jeph Loeb and Marvel Television producing. If this is true, Disney and Sony's relationship is about to be taken to the next level.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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What I don’t get. Is that not that long ago, Sony lost any TV rights to the spider-man IP. I’m assuming the MCU deal gave some of that back? Or maybe. Marvel is approving and endorsing this?

I don't have the bandwidth to reread the contract so maybe you or @bartholomr4 can read and shed some light here.

Short Form Animation rights has definitely reverted to Marvel and Sony cannot produce it unless a) Marvel/Disney approves or b) The contract that was amended in 2015 gave those rights to Sony. Live Action and longer automation tv shows are quite possibly at SPE.

3. RIGHTS. As of the Original Agreement Effective Date, Marvel hereby irrevocably licenses to SPE, exclusively for the entire universe all of the following rights (collectively, the “Rights“):

3.a. Productions. SPE shall have the sole and exclusive right to develop, create and/or produce any or all of the following based, in whole or in part, on the Property during the Production Term (as defined in Section 6, below) (“Production(s)“):

3.a(i) one or more motion pictures (including, without limitation, sequels, prequels, remakes, serials or other audiovisual works of any nature) intended for initial theatrical release (“Picture(s)“); and

3.a(ii) one or more live-action and/or animated television series (“Television Series“), subject to the freeze of certain Television Series rights provided for under Section 4 hereof. For the avoidance of doubt, New Marvel Animation shall not be considered a Television Series hereunder.

Upon the expiration of the Picture Production Term (as defined in Section 6.d below) SPE’s right to produce further Pictures shall cease and Marvel shall have the sole right to produce motion pictures based upon the Property pursuant to its Reserved Rights under Section 5.i. Upon the expiration of the Production Term (including any extensions thereof under Section 6 below), SPE’s right to produce a Television Series shall cease and Marvel shall have the sole right to produce television series based upon the Property pursuant to its Reserved Rights under Section 5 (it being understood that the Production Term with respect to Short-Form Animation expired on July 15, 2009 and that from and after such date Marvel has the sole right to produce or license Short-Form Animation pursuant to its Reserved Rights). Notwithstanding the foregoing, SPE shall continue to have the right after the expiration of the Production Term to complete production of Productions which have commenced principal photography (or layout, as applicable) prior to the expiration of the Production Term, and, in connection with SPE’s distribution and exploitation thereof, create other cuts or versions thereof, including foreign language versions, television versions, director’s cuts, expanded versions (which may include previously deleted scenes), enhanced audio versions, etc., provided that: (i) all such versions are fundamentally the same motion picture (or television series) as a Picture (or Television Series, as applicable) that was produced during the Production Term; (ii) SPE shall not photograph any new footage or produce any new animation (as applicable) after the expiration of the Production Term for inclusion in any such version of the Picture (or Television Series); and (iii) SPE shall not incorporate into any such version of the Picture (or Television Series) any new footage photographed or produce any new animation (as applicable) after the expiration of the Production Term. For the avoidance of doubt, SPE shall continue to have in perpetuity all of the exclusive distribution, advertising, promotion, exploitation and other rights provided for Sections 3.b through 3.k of the Agreement with respect to each Production which commences principal photography (or layout in the case of an animation, as applicable) prior to the expiration of the Production Term.

3.b. Distribution. SPE shall have the sole and exclusive right in perpetuity (notwithstanding the expiration of, or any termination of, the Production Term) to fix, release, distribute, exhibit, perform, sell, transmit, broadcast, publish, advertise, promote, market, license and otherwise exploit any and all Productions produced or created under Section 3.a. above by any and all means and in any and all media and modes of distribution and/or exploitation, whether now or hereafter known or devised, including, without limitation, all of the following: theatrical; non-theatrical (including airlines, ships and other carriers, military, educational, industrial and the like); pay-per-view; the sale or rental of copies of the Productions (which may be combined with supplementary material(s) such as interviews or behind-the-scenes footage if the Production is displayed or exhibited in a linear format unless the viewer intervenes to access supplementary material) in connection with the exploitation of home video rights or otherwise (including videocassettes, digital videodiscs, laserdiscs, CD-ROMs, DIVX’s, and all other formats now known or hereafter devised); all forms of television (including pay, free, network, syndication, cable, satellite, high definition and digital); video-on-demand and near video-on-demand; all forms of digital or on-line distribution and/or transmission, including, without limitation, the internet (on which Productions may be combined with supplementary material(s) such as interviews or behind-the-scenes footage if the Production is displayed or exhibited in a linear format unless the viewer intervenes to access supplementary material); satellite, fiber optic or other exhibition, broadcast and/or delivery systems; all rights of communication to the public, rights of distribution to the public or other forms of public or private communication and/or distribution; and all forms of dissemination, communication or distribution to one or more identifiable locations or parties; and the sole and exclusive right to exercise in perpetuity all music, music publishing and soundtrack album rights, in connection with the foregoing.

4.a. Frozen Rights. The following rights (“Frozen Rights“) relating to the Property are licensed exclusively to SPE as of the Original Agreement Effective Date for the applicable “Freeze Period” (as defined in Section 4.b. below) but are frozen and may not be exercised by SPE or Marvel at any time without the prior written consent of the other Party (which consent such other Party may grant or withhold in its sole discretion): all rights to create, produce, distribute or otherwise exploit motion pictures or other audiovisual works or productions of any nature now known or hereafter devised which include the Property and are intended for initial exploitation by any means or medium now known or hereafter devised, other than (a) the rights granted to SPE in Section 3, above, (b) Marvel’s exercise of any of its rights under Sections 5.b - 5.j., and (c) Marvel’s exercise of Co-Promotion rights subject to the conditions and limitations set forth in this Agreement. The Frozen Rights include, without limitation, the following (subject to Sections 4.b - d): (i) subject to Section 3.g hereof, the right to release motion pictures initially by means other than theatrical exhibition, including direct-to-home-video rights and direct-to-pay per view rights; (ii) television movie of the weeks (“MOW“) and mini-series rights (provided that the initial episode or pilot of a Television Series shall not be considered an MOW regardless of its length); (iii) live television rights (i.e., the right to televise television programs based on the Property directly from living actors appearing and speaking in the immediate presence of the television cameras at the time of the broadcast, without any recording thereof except for unedited recordings used only for purposes of tape-delay of a single broadcast and/or for archival purposes) (iv) subject to Section 3.g hereof, the right to release Productions initially and directly for exhibition over the internet or comparable delivery system (other than as a delivery system for the television broadcast, or for the sale or licensing of copies, of a Production or other rights granted to SPE under Section 3 hereof); and (v) all rights with respect to the production and exploitation of other audiovisual productions, except for those rights expressly reserved by Marvel in Sections 5.b - 5.j, below. Nothing contained herein shall limit SPE’s rights under Section 3.g hereof or limit SPE’s rights under Section 3.b and 3.c to exploit Pictures by any and all means and media following the initial theatrical release date thereof and/or to exploit Television Series produced in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and not otherwise frozen or reserved to Marvel under the Agreement by any and all means and media following the initial exploitation thereof by means of any form of television (which may include delivery over the internet or comparable delivery system as provided in clause (iv) of this paragraph). In addition to the foregoing, the Frozen Rights shall include the right to produce Pictures in the form of traditional “musicals” (e.g. “Singing in the Rain” or “Evita”) in which singing and dancing by the principal characters, on-screen, is a principal focus of the motion picture and takes up a substantial percentage of the running time of the motion picture. Nothing contained in this Section shall limit the right of SPE to incorporate into Pictures unlimited amounts of music and choreography, including “music-video” type sequences.

4.b. Freeze Period. The “Freeze Period“ means the applicable period set forth below.

4.b(i) Certain Long-Form Productions. The Freeze Period with respect to long-form productions (more than 78 minutes of running time, including main and end titles) produced for initial exploitation by means of direct-to-home-video, direct-to-pay per view, video on demand, or internet delivery or comparable delivery systems (other than Pictures produced by SPE under Section 3.g) is the period commencing on the date hereof and continuing until the expiration of the Picture Production Term and extending thereafter until the earlier of (A) Marvel’s compliance with SPE’s Right of First Refusal under Section 33.b hereof with respect to the applicable “Subject Rights” (as defined in Section 33 below), or (B) the expiration of SPE’s Right of First Refusal.

4.b(ii) Television Productions and Short-Form Productions. The Freeze Period with respect to MOW’s, mini-series and other productions (other than Television Series produced by SPE under Section 3.a and New Marvel Animation produced by Marvel under Section 5.f) intended for initial exploitation by means of television and for productions less than 78 minutes of running time, including main and end titles) produced for initial exploitation by means of direct-to-home-video, direct-to-pay per view, video on demand, or internet delivery (or comparable delivery systems) is the period commencing on the date hereof and continuing until the expiration of the Production Term (including any extensions thereof under Section 6).

4.b(iii) Other Frozen Rights. The Freeze Period with respect to all Frozen Rights other than those described in Sections 4.b(i)-(ii) above is the period commencing on the date hereof and continuing until the expiration of the Picture Production Term (including any extensions thereof under Section 6).

4.c. Effect of Expiration of Freeze Period. Following the expiration of the applicable Freeze Period, the applicable Frozen Rights shall automatically, unconditionally and irrevocably revert to Marvel free and clear of any liens, claims or encumbrances created or incurred by SPE or its successors, licensees or assigns and may be freely exercised by Marvel free and clear of any rights of SPE, provided that no Picture-Related Element (as defined in Section 11.a(i)(A) below), Series-Related Element (as defined in Section 11.a(i)(B) below), or other element, logo or other material created by or for SPE in connection with the exercise of its Rights hereunder may be utilized by Marvel or its licensees in connection with the exercise of any of the foregoing rights except as authorized under Section 32 below (provided further that nothing contained herein shall give SPE exclusive rights to non-protectible scenes a faire created by SPE, if no protectible elements or physical elements, such as film clips, owned or created by SPE are duplicated). SPE shall not grant any other liens or security interests covering the Frozen Rights to any party.

4.d. Pictures. If SPE’s right to produce Pictures ceases by reason of the expiration of the Picture Production Term or SPE’s production rights with respect to Television Series cease under Section 6, such rights may be exercised immediately by Marvel and shall not be frozen, provided that no Picture-Related Element, Series-Related Element, or other element, logo or other material created by or for SPE in connection with the exercise of its Rights hereunder may be utilized by Marvel or its licensees in connection with the exercise of any of the foregoing rights, unless such use is authorized by SPE and/or authorized under Section 32 hereof (provided further that nothing contained herein shall give SPE exclusive rights to non-protectible scenes a faire created by SPE, if no protectable elements or physical elements, such as film clips, owned or created by SPE are duplicated).

5.f. Short-Form Animation. The right to produce (or authorize the production of) Short-Form Animation, and the exclusive right to distribute and exploit (or authorize the distribution or exploitation of) New Marvel Animation and all elements thereof, and ancillary rights therein, by any and all means and media from and after July 15, 2009 when the Production Term expired with respect to production of Short-Form Animation by SPE and such Short-Form Animation rights were given to Marvel pursuant to the provisions of that certain Amendment to Amended And Restated Spider-Man License Agreement (Short-Form Animation) between the Parties dated as of July 15, 2009. As used herein “Short-Form Animation“ means wholly animated programs based (in whole or in part [e.g., Spider-Man as part of an ensemble cast or as a guest character]) on the Property having a running time of no more than forty-four (44) minutes, inclusive of main and end titles. For the avoidance of doubt, Short-Form Animation shall include all forms and types of animation and any form of motion comic (other than live-action) that does not qualify as a Publishing Right under Section 5.b. above (e.g., the Iron Man Extremis motion comic released in 2010) and such animation and forms of motion comics shall only be exploited by Marvel in accordance with all the requirements and limitations set forth herein with respect to New Marvel Animation. “New Marvel Animation“ means Short-Form Animation produced by Marvel, or under Marvel’s authority, subsequent to July 15, 2009. Marvel’s rights to Short-Form Animation and New Marvel Animation are subject to the following:

6.e. Television Series Production Rights.

6.e(i) Extension of Television Series Production Rights. If prior to the expiration of the Picture Production Term SPE has commenced principal photography of one or more Television Series for initial exhibition in the United States and initially produced in the English-language (each such Television Series so commenced will constitute an “Applicable Series“), then notwithstanding any contrary provision of this Section 6, the Production Term with respect to each Applicable Series, and any and all other Television Series (including series not initially produced until after the expiration of the Picture Production Term, not initially produced in the English language and/or not intended for initial exhibition in the United States), shall be deemed to extend until the later of (A) the end of the last consecutive broadcast year (up to a maximum of 5 broadcast years) in which the applicable Minimum Number of new episodes of the last such Applicable Series are produced, or (B) the end of the first broadcast year in which anyone other than SPE (or its designee(s)) commences principal photography of a theatrical motion picture based upon the Property. With respect to Television Series intended for exhibition in prime time, the “Minimum Number“ shall be 13 episodes (or such smaller number as is ordered by the applicable network, but in no event less than 6) for the first broadcast year, 13 episodes (or such smaller number as is ordered by the applicable network, but in no event less than 6) for the second broadcast year and 22 episodes for each subsequent broadcast year. With respect to Television Series not intended for exhibition in prime time, the “Minimum Number” shall be 13 episodes for the first broadcast year, 13 episodes for the second broadcast year and 8 episodes for each subsequent broadcast.

6.e(ii) Short-Form Animation. The Parties acknowledge and agree that the Production Period with respect to Short-Form Animation expired on July 15, 2009 and that by reason thereof SPE has no further right to produce Short-Form Animation based on the Property after such date.
 
Disney's (DIS -0.7%) $71B asset deal with Fox (FOX +0.1%, FOXA +0.2%) will cost as many as 350 jobs in India, the Economic Times reports.

That's from redundancies tied to the takeover of Star India.

Star and Disney India will be able to close combined books on March 31, according to the report, which will be followed by a restructuring.

That new entity will be atop India's entertainment industry with rights to some of the country's biggest media properties, including rights to India Premier League, English Premier League, top regional language and Hindi television shows, and films.

It will have 80 channels, up from Disney's current eight channels.
 

Rodan75

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I don't have the bandwidth to reread the contract so maybe you or @bartholomr4 can read and shed some light here.

Short Form Animation rights has definitely reverted to Marvel and Sony cannot produce it unless a) Marvel/Disney approves or b) The contract that was amended in 2015 gave those rights to Sony. Live Action and longer automation tv shows are quite possibly at SPE.

This is super-helpful. I couldn't figure out where this contract was to go back and read. The Variety article, when I re-read it, seemed to imply they were working on TV shows that were in the Spider-Man universe of characters(sorry Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters), but not Spider-Man himself.
 

Rodan75

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I'm betting many of those channels will be shuttered to avoid redudancies or to move their programming to streaming.

I doubt it. Star India is super popular and profitable. I would expect Disney to have a soft touch there, since Star India was the bigger more profitable operation of the two.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Disney offer the Star India streaming service to US based customers though (if it isn't already offered here).
 

seascape

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I doubt it. Star India is super popular and profitable. I would expect Disney to have a soft touch there, since Star India was the bigger more profitable operation of the two.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Disney offer the Star India streaming service to US based customers though (if it isn't already offered here).
I think he does not understand the Indian market.
I am sure you are right. India is currently the second largest country based on population but is growing faster than China. Think of that and how Star India can help Disney in all of Asia. There are just under 3 billion people between those 2 countries. That is 9 times our population.

The potential profits from Asia are almost unthinkable. Add to that all the Latin American assets they get next week and they are only paying 71.3 billion less the 19 billion they get from Comcast for the Sky shares, 3.5 billion for yes and about 10 billion for the rest of the Fox RSNs. Those sales bring in about 32.5 billion of the 36 billion cash and 15 billion assumed debt. Then there are still some minor asset sales and the actual new debt will be 18.5 billion and they get all those Fox assets. Comcast took on over 30 billion in new debt for Sky and assumed their debt. Who got the better deal?
 

Darkprime

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Rumour going around that Sony is looking to acquire take-two interactive parent company of video game developer rockstar (GTA and Red Dead Redemption) Dont think Sony is selling any time soon if this is true. This would be the Disney-Fox acquisition of video games.

 

Indy_UK

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Bit of a stretch isn't it? Apart from the red dead and GTA games, Take Two have been on its for years. It would be different if Sony was buying EA or Activsion
 

Darkprime

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Bit of a stretch isn't it? Apart from the red dead and GTA games, Take Two have been on its *** for years. It would be different if Sony was buying EA or Activsion

Idk this is reminding me of when the Disney-Fox deal rumours started. Fox shares responded so positively that pushed talks to resume when they were off. Turns out Fox had leaked the story to see the market reaction and it worked in their favour.
 

Rodan75

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Rumour going around that Sony is looking to acquire take-two interactive parent company of video game developer rockstar (GTA and Red Dead Redemption) Dont think Sony is selling any time soon if this is true. This would be the Disney-Fox acquisition of video games.


That would be a big deal. Take Two makes a lot of money but a video game version of Fox-Disney would be like Sony buying Ubisoft or EA.
Also I don't think anyone thought that Sony was going to sell their Video Game business any time soon, the question is really about the Movie and TV studios.
 

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