Disney may keep Fox at 4 but that would not include the extra Marvel movie they will make every year. With X-Man and Fantastic 4 look for one more Marvel release every year. The R rated Deadpool movie and another R rated Marvel movie under Fox will be one of the 4 or more likely 5 Fox movies but then and Fox Searchlight and Fox 2000 to issue another 5 or 6 small movies a year. At the end of the day, I expect Fox/Disney to have at least 12 to 14 major releases a year. Of course this would not include the expanded foreign movies Disney will make in India and China. Also look for some new production in Latin America for release in that market.
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News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition
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bartholomr4
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In 2018 there were 872 moves released into theaters. Disney, 21Century Fox and Fox Light released 36 of them. That is about 4 % of the total. One could argue if the other 96% produced movies that people wanted to see, (like they want to see Disney Movies) they too could have mega movie returns in dollars. There is no guarrantee that Disney and its new acquisition will be able to maintain its revenue dominance, and there is nothing preventing or limiting the market acces of the other96 % of the market. This is one consideration in considering anti-competitive ownership......
Also, Disney through Marvel already owns the rights to Spider-Man and other MCA characters which Sony controls. They have licensed Sony exclusive rights to make and distribute movies on these characters. They receive a royalty payment from Sony for every movie they make and distribute. So if Sony wanted to change the terms on an contract with Disney/Marvel on an asset which Disney/Marvel already own, there really wouldn’t be any purchase of assets.... Instead there would be a change to the rights Sony has to use Disney/Marvels current assets. (My theory is there are Not likely any Anti-trust issues, because Disney / Marvel already owns the characters)
If nothing else we can probably infer based on whether or not Disney once again extends the debt exchange offers tomorrow. If they stay as they are (expiration date currently set for March 6th and I believe must occur at least 2 days before closing), it would seem that Disney thinks are on track for next week, or possibly the beginning of the following week.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think antitrust could stop Disney from buying any film rights, unless they were to rule that film intellectual property is finite. Those are private contracts that don't go through any sort of regulatory review, it's just whoever is the highest bidder. If WB wanted to sell the film rights for DC characters to Disney, I don't think anyone would stop them.
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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That's incorrect. The 2011 deal where Disney bought Sony's 25% merchandise rights also removed any royalties Sony had to pay Disney. The amended contract actually specified that Disney must pay Sony a fee for each movie (3.5% up to 35MM per movie with a ceiling of a certain amount over a certain period of time IIRC).
I can link you to the 2011 contract and that's the last publicly leaked deal, we don't have access to what changed in 2015. We know the fee Disney has to pay changed (it's lower than 3.5% if the movie grosses over 750MM, though unsure if it's flat or progressive). We also know from the 2011 contract that Peter Porker could not be used by Sony unless Disney approved, so that part was amended as well.
You are right that there's no anti trust on SM licensing rights reverting to Marvel.
bartholomr4
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You are right, no guarrantee, and Disney may want to get Comcast to pony up its portion of the losses.
If you look at what happened with Disney and Euro Disney and how they finally bought out the European investors (basically let Disneyland Paris wither on the vine, and then buy out the minority for penny’s on the dollar), you can also see another example of what Disney has done in the past.
bartholomr4
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I stand corrected... I should have said, based on this 2011 agreement, Disney gets consideration when a movie is made and distributed by getting all (or almost all) of the merchandising rights associated with the movie.....and there are various fees paid and exchanged. My main point was the acquistion of Sony pictures is different than reacquiring all of the rights Sony has to Mavel / MCA Characters.
Marvel continues to get all the money from Avengers movies or team up movies that feature Spider-Man iirc. Sony gets nothing from Infinity War, End Game or Civil War. But then Marvel gets nothing from Homecoming or Far From Home. So in the end it works I guess. But it must sting not getting anything from the standalone films. Sony is basically making money from Feige and his teams work (and gets to use the Marvel Studios brand) and thats kinda disgusting but it shows how Feige was willing to do whats best for the character and did anything to get him into the MCU.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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They had to get to 95% ownership there to force a buyout though. I remember that very clearly.
HauntedMansionFLA
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You are correct on Disney shouldn’t be allowed to buy another studio. Maybe they can buy another big IP. I’ve always wanted Peanuts to join the Disney family.
Twilight_Roxas
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Aren’t they kinda in the Disney Family via Blue Sky?
brodie999
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I agree. I think they should buy Sony. Their partnership with Disney/Marvel on the MCU Spider-Man movies have been going well so far. And also, they haven't been doing well other than their video game division. So I think their assets would be a nice addition to Disney's brand. Especially since Sony Interactive Entertainment would allow the House of Mouse to make video games again.
Lafayettecalboy
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US DOJ might be okay, but for foreign regulators it might be fishy.
The international approval process probably wouldn't be as lengthy as it was with Fox Sony doesn't have that much of a global presence they're really only prominent in U.S and Japan.
Lafayettecalboy
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Well When Cofece Mexico approved in it areas that it looks over, they objected to the fact that of a Combined Sony/Disney/Fox film distribution would be in place, so Disney had to divest the Sony film distribution partnership in order for the part of the deal in Mexico to go through.
erasure fan1
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I'm not a Playstation guy but if Disney ever took over Sony interactive, I would give it 1 to 2 years before they either shut it down or sold off the Playstation brand. If Disney cared at all about the video game space, they would not have shuttered LucasArts and then farmed out star wars to the single most incompetent developer around in EA. It's funny that Disney is so bent on Disney+ and how that's where the money is. Except video games do more money than any other entertainment product , by far.
Disney wouldn't buy all of Sony probably just Sony pictures.
Rodan75
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It would honestly probably be easier to buy all of Sony. But I think we’ve discussed that in this thread before and Japanese officials would block that.