News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition

the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Rodan75 said:
That is a tough past choice. At the moment and for nearly 2 decades it was the best choice.
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Michael wanted a broadcast network and really wasn’t able to make it work the way he understood them. Then he compounded that deal with Fox Family, but that’s another story. The ABC deal was the death of the Disney Ecosystem business model towards that of a conventional media conglomerate, which have been hostile, if not slow to changing their business models.
doctornick said:
Wasn't the Disney/Cap Cities merger over 20 years ago? Was the internet really a thing to "embrace" at that point?
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Well, Amazon was founded over twenty years ago as an online bookstore and now they sell me granola bars and movies and tv shows they produce. Going back through books and articles written around or about that time, it’s clear Michael and senior management had no clue how to approach the internet and went for the appearance of understanding (Infoseek/GO) rather than actual substantive understanding that could be huge when the time came.

Then ask yourself, is this Fox deal motivated by appearances or substance?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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the.dreamfinder said:
Michael wanted a broadcast network and really wasn’t able to make it work the way he understood them. Then he compounded that deal with Fox Family, but that’s another story. The ABC deal was the death of the Disney Ecosystem business model towards that of a conventional media conglomerate, which have been hostile, if not slow to changing their business models.

Well, Amazon was founded over twenty years ago as an online bookstore and now they sell me granola bars and movies and tv shows they produce. Going back through books and articles written around or about that time, it’s clear Michael and senior management had no clue how to approach the internet and went for the appearance of understanding (Infoseek/GO) rather than actual substantive understanding that could be huge when the time came.

Then ask yourself, is this Fox deal motivated by appearances or substance?
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Valid points.

Eisner was big into controlling the supply chain...hence his obsession with abc. It was also personal ego - as that was where he started.

But Disney and the Internet - or more importantly distribution - have always been a bad match.

Iger has made some mistakes as well...so it will be interesting what they do with this much promised “cable” Type platform. Everyone assumes they can easily bag the snipe...I’m not so sure.
 
Phicinfan

Phicinfan

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Are we still talking themepark rights?

The next person that says that must come up with the $5 billion it would take for joe Rohde to build a half acre marvel land in Epcot...

STAAAAHHHHPPPP!!!

On another note: I wish disney would sell the RSNs AND espn to Comcast...get the sports albatross of the books.
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gotta agree here, There is no way Disney will pony up to get theme park rights, and quite frankly, no reason for comcast to sell them.

As per you other quote, I too would love Disney to drop ESPN and the RSNs together as a full sports package - to get best value(IF there is any value still with ESPN).

However, I don't see them dumping ABC, as they need network slot to air their programing...IMO.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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the.dreamfinder said:
Buena Vista Pictures Distribution, Disneyland and the Disney Store, circa late 80’s/90’s beg to differ.

Content + Distribution is when Disney, as an ecosystem instead of a brand, succeed.
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Film “distribution” is a tad different, is it not? All movies still have to be produced and distributed...that’s more of a process.

And the Disney store was run into the ground by the evil henchmen of the same Eisner...

Notably...this guy:
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Phicinfan said:
gotta agree here, There is no way Disney will pony up to get theme park rights, and quite frankly, no reason for comcast to sell them.

As per you other quote, I too would love Disney to drop ESPN and the RSNs together as a full sports package - to get best value(IF there is any value still with ESPN).

However, I don't see them dumping ABC, as they need network slot to air their programing...IMO.
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...I think it just had a heartattack 😱

Anyway...since 20 people talk about getting marvel rights “back” (they never had them) on every single damn thread...someone please explain to me how that would play out?

I’m dying to see why getting themepark rights would not be a tremendous cost/lost in the current situation?
 
pdude81

pdude81

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I don't see how they could sell off ESPN and the RSN's together as the DOJ specifically thought that combination was as issue for the Fox/Disney merger.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Anyway...since 20 people talk about getting marvel rights “back” (they never had them) on every single damn thread...someone please explain to me how that would play out?
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Yeah, it's pretty annoying when someone brings up the same topic over and over again in multiple threads. Can we agree they should be banned from the forums?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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pdude81 said:
I don't see how they could sell off ESPN and the RSN's together as the DOJ specifically thought that combination was as issue for the Fox/Disney merger.
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They can’t...

I just want espn and it’s delightful combination of drunken college football geared programs, fantasy betting for the nfl and 1000x more coverage of the nba than anyone cares about GONE.

...wishful thinking
 
bartholomr4

bartholomr4

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From 4-Traders.com (European Financial Site), it appears Fox will announce an increase in its bid for Sky from the $10.50 range to $13.30. This tops the Comcast bid of $12.50, and increases the pressure on COMCAST from a debt perspective (limits its ability to raise its bid for 21CF). Also, Brian Roberts, Bob Iger and Rupert Murdoch all expected to attend a Media Conference later this week in Utah.
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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DoubleJ21 said:
Is this the case? Is it actually delayed?

I've been reading up on the Viacom/QVC battle for Paramount. I'd definitely recommend doing so as well. There's a few old New York Times articles that will open your eyes to the futility of individual opinions in bidding wars such as the one we're in. Particularly quotes from the acquired company's shareholders. Although antitrust wasn't a factor, there are a lot of parallels with the Fox battle.
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I'm sure our UK-based folks can speak to this better than I can, but the Brexit driven cabinet departures in May's government have created some cascading changes, including the minister of culture (? going from memory) and that it is now unlikely that the regulatory group will announce anything this week.

Found the article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/f...uk-culture-secretary-gets-new-role/ar-AAzOuJ5
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Phicinfan said:
they are not the same, one is Disney taking over park rights - which is a bit ridiculous to expect, the other is the added Marvel movie rights they will get in this deal
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Yeah...just to clarify...I’m talking themepark “rights”...not ip acquisition.

If they buy fox...they get the media IP to X-men and fantastic four back...there’s no haggling.

They however would not get the themepark rights unless they play a ransom to Comcast. That’s Spider-Man, avengers, X-men, and fantastic four
 

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