News Disney and Fox come to terms -- announcement soon; huge IP acquisition

Bender123

Well-Known Member
Also...nobody ever considers how advantageous it is to have marvel references all over BOTH juggernaut complexes in town. That’s exposure to about 80,000,000 annual gateclicks.

And Disney makes free money off its competition...there’s no disadvantage to this.

It’s far more likely Comcast would walk away from that contract than Disney ever lifts a finger to buy it out.

If I recall from previous insider posts, Universal makes a killing off the Marvel contract compared to what they pay. Its entirely likely that Uni wont want to lose that license unless they have another property they can slide in for less that would generate more.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
If I recall from previous insider posts, Universal makes a killing off the Marvel contract compared to what they pay. Its entirely likely that Uni wont want to lose that license unless they have another property they can slide in for less that would generate more.

No argument...it’s advantageous for them too...

They pay a fee for a big draw.

Disney gets a fee for NO OVERHEAD...which is the type of dream iger and his beaners wake up happy from in the morning.

I am too common sense about this...I really feel like someday people won’t go “maybe they can get the marvel rights...” on 90% of the Park discussion threads?

But it’s definition of insanity Time
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
No argument...it’s advantageous for them too...

They pay a fee for a big draw.

Disney gets a fee for NO OVERHEAD...which is the type of dream iger and his beaners wake up happy from in the morning.

I am too common sense about this...I really feel like someday people won’t go “maybe they can get the marvel rights...” on 90% of the Park discussion threads?

But it’s definition of insanity Time

But what if Disney may be getting the Marvel rights from Universal??? That could totally happen this year, you know. My best friend's sister's boyfriend knows a guy who talked to this girl who read on Twitter that it's part of the deal for 21CF, so the info is pretty solid.
 

Bender123

Well-Known Member
But what if Disney may be getting the Marvel rights from Universal??? That could totally happen this year, you know. My best friend's sister's boyfriend knows a guy who talked to this girl who read on Twitter that it's part of the deal for 21CF, so the info is pretty solid.

You forgot that he is a bus driver for WDW.
 

smile

Well-Known Member
But what if Disney may be getting the Marvel rights from Universal??? That could totally happen this year, you know. My best friend's sister's boyfriend knows a guy who talked to this girl who read on Twitter that it's part of the deal for 21CF, so the info is pretty solid.

to be honest, i don't think twenty-one cubic feet of anything is worth this much hassle
 

Stripes

Premium Member
Nothing from Faber this morning but we got this:




We also got another piece from Greenfield yesterday that, once again, is divorced from reality:
"Why Comcast Must Bid $47 and £15"
While there has never been much love lost between Disney and Comcast, their ongoing battles over Fox and Sky will undoubtedly leave the two companies mortal enemies. Tensions are rising as evidenced by Disney Chairman and CEO, Bob Iger’s attack on Comcast’s potential for regulatory approval of a Fox acquisition, as we detailed in our June 26th blog (link).
The source of rising tensions is clear as Comcast has already forced Disney to pay 35% more for Fox than it had originally agreed upon and caused Disney to stop its share repurchase program, given the increased leverage resulting from a 50%/50% cash/stock bid vs. the original all-stock acquisition plan. In addition, with Comcast’s £12.50/share bid for Sky and the implied increase in value for Sky embedded within Disney’s Fox bid, we believe Fox will meaningfully increase its bid for Sky in the days ahead (increasing Disney’s overall debt load from the two planned acquisitions).
We continue to believe there are no obvious acquisition alternatives for either Disney or Comcast. In turn, we expect bidding for the Fox assets being pursued to move higher, with an ultimate acquisition price of $45-$50 likely (with a New Fox stub adding $8-$12 of value). Disney is trying to scare Comcast away from bidding and to make Fox investors believe a Comcast bid is not approvable. However, the template laid out by the DoJ in Disney’s recent Fox approval (sale of the RSNs) creates a framework that can work for Comcast to achieve quick DoJ approval as well (excluding the RSNs, the only wholly-owned domestic assets being acquired are two non-sports, non-must-have cable networks in FX and Nat Geo and a Film/TV studio – none of which impact Comcast’s marketplace leverage).
We believe Disney has failed to scare off Comcast and we continue to believe Fox investors want the highest possible acquisition price.
Why Comcast Should Bid $47 for Fox and £15 for Sky
The most obvious reason is to win.
Disney has already bid far higher than they expected for Fox and as a disciplined company they may be nearing their breaking point. Remember, Disney is heading into a major investment cycle for Disneyflix, one that we believe investors are severely underestimating as it tries to build a global SVOD platform to compete with Netflix. Disney will need to invest billions of incremental dollars in content annually, ramp technology spending dramatically and forgo revenues/profits from the syndication of content to legacy distribution platforms. In turn, this is a less than ideal time for Disney to dramatically increase leverage.
Disney’s ESPN division also has a critical renewal coming up in 2021 for Monday Night Football. The MNF contract, along with the other major Sunday packages, is likely to be put out for bid in late 2019/early 2020. With ESPN already paying nearly $2 billion/year while subscribers fall and ratings drop, ESPN is an precarious position to hold onto MNF (we expect digital bidders such as Amazon to be aggressive as well as newly deep-pocketed bidders such as AT&T’s WarnerMedia). With the NFL likely to keep all Sunday packages on broadcast, ESPN’s only option to maintain NFL programming is MNF. In turn, a more levered balance sheet could be problematic.
On top of those issues, Disney is going into a major renewal cycle for its cable networks assets, most notably ESPN. As the most overpriced component of the bloated, legacy MVPD bundle, we wonder if Disney really wants to be significantly more levered as it enters into negotiations. With MVPD’s video business facing increasing pressure from cord-cutting and cord-shaving, the cost of Disney/ESPN networks and distribution (penetration) requirements have become a real problem for distributors. Carriage negotiations are likely to be significantly more contentious than in the past, with Disney’s increased leverage occurring just as the next wave of negotiations kicks off in late 2019 into 2020.
If we were in Comcast’s shoes, we would literally push Disney to their breaking point to see if we could make them blink and give up. At all-cash $47 for Fox and £15 for Sky, Comcast’s leverage would be about 5x initially, but would end 2019e at just under 4.5x, with organic growth and synergies taking leverage to the mid-3x’s by the end of 2020e. Given the stability of Comcast’s broadband business, we believe this leverage is more than manageable, especially when you factor in Comcast’s expertise in large-scale acquisitions (such as NBC) and running a distribution business (Comcast Cable).
We suspect a $47 bid from Comcast would force Disney to match (with regulatory approval ahead of Comcast, simply matching should be enough for Fox’s board to declare Disney the winner). At the same time, if Comcast goes to £15, Disney through Fox, will be forced to match Comcast’s bid. If Disney pays $47 and £15, current leverage would move to above 3.6x and 2019e would be around 3.1x, well above Disney’s historical comfort zone. While organic growth and synergies would bring that leverage down meaningfully in 2020 and beyond, we wonder if Disney would really go that far knowing they have to build a global SVOD platform, maintain sports rights and renegotiate most of their major MVPD contracts over the next 24 months.
Transform Disney Winning into Losing
Even if Disney does not blink and proceeds to match Comcast at $47 and £15, the resulting leverage on Disney will benefit Comcast. As the second largest MVPD (only smaller than AT&T/DirecTV), Comcast would benefit from Disney becoming more levered during those negotiations. We have to imagine Comcast also does not want to see Disneyflix be successful, as it hastens the decline of the legacy MVPD business, which Comcast still generates meaningful value from. In addition, Comcast’s NBC may have greater aspirations for sports programming (well beyond NFL rights), which would be easier to acquire if Disney’s leverage is above their comfort zone.
No Downside to Comcast
Putting it all together, we simply see no meaningful downside to an aggressive Comcast counter-bid to Disney’s current $38 offer. If Comcast wins, they take control of unique assets that rapidly transform Comcast into a vertically-integrated global media company and stop Disney from acquiring assets that Disney’s management has deemed critical to their global, direct-to-consumer ambitions (albeit we believe they could do it faster/better without an acquisition). They also leave Disney with a management transition problem, as Iger retires in mid-2019 without a Fox deal, with no obvious successor. If Comcast loses, they leave Disney in a leverage position that Disney has never found itself in, while facing major content and distribution renewals and the need to ramp investment spending in content and technology to enable direct-to-consumer offerings. The downside in losing for Comcast is that they are left underlevered with growth slowing, with no obvious other place to invest the type of dollars they wanted to buy Fox and Sky with. Not such a terrible thing, but investors may worry what would Comcast buy instead.
This would take Comcast's debt to $200 billion. Ladies and gentlemen, I have no words.
 
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Stripes

Premium Member
So not possible, huh?
Their initial non-synergized leverage would reach 5.9x EBITDA. It would take them at least 6.5 years to pay down their debts. At $47 and 15 GBP, the acquisition just isn't accretive whatsoever.

Edit: after some calculations, Comcast would be looking at a total debt of $213 billion. Greenfield's "predictions/analysis" are DOA.
 
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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Interesting... Iger says that their current deal with Fox precludes breaking up the Fox package for sale and splitting it with Comcast.

So, let's put all that speculation to bed. It's winner-take-all.

Also interesting... Iger specifically calls out P&R as not going to suffer any lack of reinvestment in order to make this happen. They'll use their balance sheet strategically (IOW, borrow) to make both the purchase and the continuing reinvestment happen.

If what Iger says is true, then why do so many people keep talking about divvying up Fox between the captains of industry?
 

bartholomr4

Well-Known Member
Disney will get 22 to 24 Billion for sales of Fox Regional Sports Networks. And another 18-22 billion for the 39% of Sky.... I am guessing Sky goes to Comcast, and as part of that deal, Brian Roberts agrees to allow Marvel in the East Coast parks, and give the movie rights to those characters back to Disney.... makes the purchase of the rest of Fox look Cheap!
 

seascape

Well-Known Member
Disney will get 22 to 24 Billion for sales of Fox Regional Sports Networks. And another 18-22 billion for the 39% of Sky.... I am guessing Sky goes to Comcast, and as part of that deal, Brian Roberts agrees to allow Marvel in the East Coast parks, and give the movie rights to those characters back to Disney.... makes the purchase of the rest of Fox look Cheap!
I have no idea where you got those figures from because Disney will not get anywhere near that. Comcast's current offer for all of Sky is 31 billion and 39% of that is 12.09 billion. It may go up 20 to 25 percent but no way will it go up by 50% or more. Also the Fox RSN may bring 15 to 16 billion possibly 20 on a perfect date but no way more than that. Realistically 30 billion would be great.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Disney will get 22 to 24 Billion for sales of Fox Regional Sports Networks. And another 18-22 billion for the 39% of Sky.... I am guessing Sky goes to Comcast, and as part of that deal, Brian Roberts agrees to allow Marvel in the East Coast parks, and give the movie rights to those characters back to Disney.... makes the purchase of the rest of Fox look Cheap!

As sure as the clockwork...
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Their initial non-synergized leverage would reach 5.9x EBITDA. It would take them at least 6.5 years to pay down their debts. At $47 and 15 GBP, the acquisition just isn't accretive whatsoever.

Edit: after some calculations, Comcast would be looking at a total debt of $213 billion. Greenfield's "predictions/analysis" are DOA.

So.....

Not possible?
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
I have no idea where you got those figures from because Disney will not get anywhere near that. Comcast's current offer for all of Sky is 31 billion and 39% of that is 12.09 billion. It may go up 20 to 25 percent but no way will it go up by 50% or more. Also the Fox RSN may bring 15 to 16 billion possibly 20 on a perfect date but no way more than that. Realistically 30 billion would be great.
Are you sure the $31 billion was for all of Sky and not just the 61% that Fox doesn't currently own?
 

Stripes

Premium Member
So.....

Not possible?
Is it possible? Maybe. Is it gonna happen? The odds are very, very low.

Shareholders would view a bid that high as a clear sign that Comcast's management sees substantial obstacles ahead for their existing businesses. Greenfield already sees that, but other investors and public statements from Comcast management have not painted the same picture. That level of debt is also very, very high. If there is a downward shift in the economy, an acceleration of cord cutting, etc. there would be a real risk of default.

I don't see Comcast putting themselves in such a confined box.
 

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