Disney After Hours BOO BASH

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve tried. More than once. They won’t sell them

Well it does help to make requests…even if you get nowhere.

I wrote a letter and sent it to guest com and copied it to dvc.

nothing elaborate or scheming…just the truth…with a minor veiled threat at the end

 

[phillip9698]

Alas... but if on-site guests buy AH tickets INSTEAD of day tickets, it's not necessarily a total win for the mouse house.

4 AH tickets are definitely more expensive than a 5-day pass, but they definitely would prefer to still sell the 5 day pass, PLUS a couple AH tickets.
From my perspective.. if 4 AH tickets are $600, and a 5-day ticket is $500.... Disney is only getting $100 extra revenue from me. I'm getting fewer hours, but still 5 hours per night, a total of 20 hours... most of which are very very low crowds. I could probably get more done with 4 AH events, 1 per park, than I could get done with 5-day regular ticket.

One more thing to add is that after hours guests are spending less on food, drinks, and trinkets as well. I'd spend my days at the pool or a non Disney park that's more manageable during the day.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Same here. I think the mouse has figured out this is a gold mine.

It is a gold mine…much higher hourly rate/ROI.

Alas... but if on-site guests buy AH tickets INSTEAD of day tickets, it's not necessarily a total win for the mouse house.

4 AH tickets are definitely more expensive than a 5-day pass, but they definitely would prefer to still sell the 5 day pass, PLUS a couple AH tickets.
From my perspective.. if 4 AH tickets are $600, and a 5-day ticket is $500.... Disney is only getting $100 extra revenue from me. I'm getting fewer hours, but still 5 hours per night, a total of 20 hours... most of which are very very low crowds. I could probably get more done with 4 AH events, 1 per park, than I could get done with 5-day regular ticket.

But are they doing that? That’s the magic question we don’t have data access to…

I asked someone doing the “I want it!!” routine up thread what they do BEFORE the “special unique premium experience riding space mountain”….
…I don’t believe I got a response?

One more thing to add is that after hours guests are spending less on food, drinks, and trinkets as well. I'd spend my days at the pool or a non Disney park that's more manageable during the day.

But how many have the discipline to do that?
YOLO!!!

 

[iowamomof4]

It is a gold mine…much higher hourly rate/ROI.

But are they doing that? That’s the magic question we don’t have data access to…

I asked someone doing the “I want it!!” routine up thread what they do BEFORE the “special unique premium experience riding space mountain”….
…I don’t believe I got a response?

But how many have the discipline to do that?
YOLO!!!

You got a response. The money side for us is that it will be our most expensive day. It just works out that it'll be the only day we do 2 TS meals.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You got a response. The money side for us is that it will be our most expensive day. It just works out that it'll be the only day we do 2 TS meals.

Thank you…I didn’t see it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Our current plan for that day is to hit Epcot, eat an early lunch at Coral Reef (so I can use my Disney Visa discount and my daughter LOVES sea creatures and it looks like a cool atmosphere - I know it's not known as a good restaurant), hit up anything at Epcot we haven't seen yet, then leave for MK around 4 (we have hoppers), eat dinner at LTT around 6:00 (the food options during the after hours events are rather sparse, so it's good to make sure you get a real meal ahead of time, plus it's easier to make good use of your time if you aren't dragging because you're hungry), and then hit up any rides/attractions that won't be open during after hours or rides we'd be afraid to get stuck on (looking at you, People Mover!). We'll watch HEA if we haven't seen it yet during the trip, then enjoy the rest of the evening! I get that it's not for everyone, but for our family it's exactly the type of touring we love (LOW crowds, many walk-on rides).

That’s about a $1500+ ish day…not including lodging…

congrats on that visa discount at lunch though

 

[Joffrey]

I have a real hard time understanding how a guest who visited Disney World in, say, 1995 and remembers the value/price balance back then doesn't feel like they are being insultingly ripped off right now. That goes triple when it comes to after hours events.

That's how I feel every time I go to Starbucks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have a real hard time understanding how a guest who visited Disney World in, say, 1995 and remembers the value/price balance back then doesn't feel like they are being insultingly ripped off right now. That goes triple when it comes to after hours events.

There are ALOT of millens (when you put your age in the profile…not that hard to make the connection…) who are in that 30-40 range who have a completely different take on that 1995 date than those older do…I put the range of reference in wdw from 1992-2001…

if you had walked into wilderness lodge in 1995 when the paint had barely dried and said “wait…how much is this a night?!?”…or lunch at Biergarten or breakfast at cape may in 1998…it’s hard to describe the change to those that don’t have the point of reference…

but Disney wasn’t publicly traded and didn’t make any money in Florida then, right?

gobs of money off both…not a problem.

There really is no excuse for us older sect for buying after hours - however. Can’t say we don’t know.

consumer patterns are ultimately determined by the consumer. Nobody else to blame.

 

[flynnibus]

but if they know their behavior will lead to price increases and don’t care, then they’re in the wrong?

It’s selfish. If you want to think of that as right or wrong… that’s another topic with other contexts.

As a reminder the original statement was

Those that can step outside of their own bubble understand the consequences. Those that know it, and don't care... well that's the selfish shining through.

there are plenty of moves that are motivated or justified with me-first evaluations. The whole point was being aware and facing the reality there are consequences to these actions. They are not independent things in isolation.

(Remember people were saying what i do doesn’t effect anyone else… or worse the ones that acknowledge it and basically say “sucks for you, not me”, etc)

 

[DCBaker]

October 5th has sold out.

Current sold out dates -

August - 10, 17
October - 5, 31

 

[Chi84]

It’s selfish. If you want to think of that as right or wrong… that’s another topic with other contexts.

As a reminder the original statement was


there are plenty of moves that are motivated or justified with me-first evaluations. The whole point was being aware and facing the reality there are consequences to these actions. They are not independent things in isolation.

(Remember people were saying what i do doesn’t effect anyone else… or worse the ones that acknowledge it and basically say “sucks for you, not me”, etc)

I didn’t see many posts at all that had the kind of attitude you’re referencing. Most were simply pointing out that, under the current circumstances and where WDW is concerned, not buying tickets to this particular event would not affect others in the way you’re specifying. You can’t control people’s behavior to the extent necessary to reach the outcome you would like just by labeling them selfish. That’s just being realistic.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't think folks who pay exorbitant fees for WDW tickets or hotels are "selfish," just as I don't think folks who have stopped paying those prices are altruistic.

I DO think they may be destructively loyal to a brand, willing to be taken advantage of, and perhaps guilty of demonstrating poor judgement when weighing vacation destinations and the actual value of a vacation experience. What's more, these traits irritate the grumps because they are perceived as exacerbating the problems with WDW that have made it less enjoyable for us. None of these are anywhere close to a cardinal sin and their existence is a mere matter of opinion. What's more, I'm sure I'm guilty of variations of many of the same defects. But this is a WDW board, on which the significance of WDW looms out of all proportion to its importance in reality.

Now, as to actual sins, let's talk about DVC membership...

 

[Casper Gutman]

I didn’t see many posts at all that had the kind of attitude you’re referencing. Most were simply pointing out that, under the current circumstances and where WDW is concerned, not buying tickets to this particular event would not affect others in the way you’re specifying. You can’t control people’s behavior to the extent necessary to reach the outcome you would like just by labeling them selfish. That’s just being realistic.

One person not buying tickets won't effect WDW to any significant degree. Those of us who have largely stopped going to the resort certainly know that.

But LOTS of people not buying tickets certainly will effect WDW. And THAT doesn't happen if a lot of individual people don't stop paying exorbitant prices.

In other words, one person changing their WDW spending habits is necessary but not sufficient to forcing WDW to change.

 

[Chi84]

One person not buying tickets won't effect WDW to any significant degree. Those of us who have largely stopped going to the resort certainly know that.

But LOTS of people not buying tickets certainly will effect WDW. And THAT doesn't happen if a lot of individual people don't stop paying exorbitant prices.

In other words, one person changing their WDW spending habits is necessary but not sufficient to forcing WDW to change.

That’s all true, but “lots of people not buying tickets” won’t happen until those people feel the tickets aren’t worth it. They aren’t going to forgo buying tickets because other people believe those tickets aren’t worth the price. Unless some group is powerful or persuasive enough to organize some type of effective economic boycott, the only thing that will bring down ticket prices is the usual market forces at play. Disney will adjust when enough people stop paying them. But people will make their own assessments of value rather than accepting someone else’s.

 

[pdude81]

I'm curious if it's selfish for a publicly traded company to make more money off the same product year after year, or of its only selfish for consumers to pay for it.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'm curious if it's selfish for a publicly traded company to make more money off the same product year after year, or of its only selfish for consumers to pay for it.

The consumers aren't selfish. At worst they are silly. The corporation that raises prices to absurd levels, slashes the quality of service and otherwise damages their brand is selfish, but that's not unexpected for a corporation. What is worse is that such behavior is short-sighted, self-destructive, and ultimately counter-productive. This is particularly true for a corporation with a brand that is so visible and uniquely tied to a particular set of values in the minds of consumers. It is arguably even worse for one of the very, very few corporations which is fundamentally intertwined with broader understandings of America and its history.

And of course every consumer will make their own judgements. But quite a few people on these boards with a personal experience of what WDW used to be like are saying - perhaps too aggressively - that the price/ value ratio at WDW has changed to an unbelievable, almost absurd extent as fees skyrocketed and quality declined. And maybe folks forking over huge sums only to find that WDW is not offering the experience they were promised might want to take the perspective of those old hands a bit more seriously.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm curious if it's selfish for a publicly traded company to make more money off the same product year after year, or of its only selfish for consumers to pay for it.

Many people would begrudgingly agree that’s it both

many others would cry “how dare you?!?”

 

[GimpYancIent]

I'm curious if it's selfish for a publicly traded company to make more money off the same product year after year, or of its only selfish for consumers to pay for it.

Hey! Business is business;

 

[MisterPenguin]

The problem is too much on the demand side and not enough supply. The solution is to decrease demand by finding ways to make the the middle class poor.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The problem is too much on the demand side and not enough supply. The solution is to decrease demand by finding ways to make the the middle class poor.

That’s actually already written on a wall in Burbank somewhere