Disney’s RFID "Magic Band" arrives on the FCC

GenerationX

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Let me see if I understand how this works. If you walk next to a gift shop and don't buy anything, the wrist brace tightens. Eventually, the brace tightens to the point where you have to buy something or risk the cutoff of all circulation to your hand. The more you buy, the looser the grip. That's why they need the battery and also how they make the money.
 

Clever Name

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Let me see if I understand how this works. If you walk next to a gift shop and don't buy anything, the wrist brace tightens. Eventually, the brace tightens to the point where you have to buy something or risk the cutoff of all circulation to your hand. The more you buy, the looser the grip. That's why they need the battery and also how they make the money.
The tightening of the wristband is imperceptible. The skin side of the wristband contains a microscopic transdermal patch. As you pass the gift shop it releases a drug that makes you want to buy stuff.
 

John

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Let me see if I understand how this works. If you walk next to a gift shop and don't buy anything, the wrist brace tightens. Eventually, the brace tightens to the point where you have to buy something or risk the cutoff of all circulation to your hand. The more you buy, the looser the grip. That's why they need the battery and also how they make the money.


So what you are saying in your condesending tone is that companies....especially Disney wouldnt do something like this? That this type of marketing has never been used?
 

GenerationX

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The tightening of the wristband is imperceptible. The skin side of the wristband contains a microscopic transdermal patch. As you pass the gift shop it releases a drug that makes you want to buy stuff.
Ah, yes. That clears it up. Man, I won't be cutting through the Main Street gift shops during parades any more. It'd be like paying a toll.

Wait a sec, maybe that's the whole purpose. They know people cut through gift shops during parades, and they didn't have enough room to install toll booths. Problem solved.
 

rct247

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All of this is an investment for the future. Disney knows of multiple ways to use it to benefit everyone and I'm sure there will be more benefits for both parties in the future. Disney is known as an innovative company. This is the future. Already we hear of business including some in the theme park/water park community that use this technology to enter hotel rooms or for parents to track kids or for guests to charge stuff easier. Disney see this and has decided to invest to do all of that and more. The Walt Disney Company is a HUGE GLOBAL company that see MILLIONS of visitors for HUNDREDS of countries. If they can hire some of the best artists, architects, and engineers, I'm sure they can also hire some of the best data security specialists, information technology experts, and cyber crime fighters. Safety is the companies number one concern and that doesn't just stop at physical safety. They make sure their computer systems are also safe from vulnerabilities. If you are worried that these devices are going to be easily hacked, what about the countless computer databases that already exist and all the show/ride system controls that can be hacked and as a result put your actual life in danger. Disney doesn't lack this type of security. They know there are risks and will take the precautions to protect against those risk.

While I'm don't know exactly what they have up their sleeves with these new wristbands, nor what all they are capable of, but I can already think of different ways the company can benefit from it. These may be reasons why they are doing it aside from the "guest experience".

-Reduce waste/Green initiative: No more paper Fastpasses. Less plastic cards guests have to carry (one for their ticket, one for Photopass, one for their Fastpass tickets). Less FLIK cards produced/lost/broken for queue wait times. I'm sure there are more, but those are three I can think of. All of that trash costs money to take care of. All of that money spent to produce more plastic tickets and more FLIK cards can go elsewhere if these devices can combine all those purposes. I'm sure there are even some tax breaks for taking initiatives like this which could benefit the company.

-Operation Efficiency: All of the current methods of room entry, Fastpass distribution, and turnstiles require cards to be scanned usually using magnetic strip and/or mechanical elements. RFID may be a cheaper more efficient medium for the task. Less machinery that could break down or fail under certain conditions. Less time spent by guests and cast members finding out a card has been demagnitized (time is money). Less time and materials spent reprinting those tickets or cards. Along with that, less paper Fastpasses will get lost or distroyed. With them being more virtual, visiting a kiosk to reprint is all that is required. Less discrepancy, less guest situation, more efficient operation, less wait times, more time for guests to spend money.

-Research: Look at all the research teams Disney current has, now what if a device came along that could report back the same amount of research with less working cast members and less physical interuption of guests' visits? They may be able to predict traffic patterns and have crowd control cast member be able to report to problem areas. They could also use the information to see bottlenecks to make future improvements like the new path near Haunted Mansion. They might be able to find which restaurants, gift shops, and attractions are more frequented by guests, specifically 1st time visitors or specifically by international tourists or even specific type of resort guests.

-Access Control: When biometrics came out, it made it more difficult for people to cheat the system. It also made those ticket sellers on 192 have to figure out a new system to cheat. It's about time to throw them for a loop again. The new devices will make it harder for guests to cheat the system or to their benefit, harder for them to get ripped off. We see how it will also control access to hotel rooms, but it could also control access to things like resort pool areas for instance. Same idea for extra magic hours. Rather than a cast member asking to see your room ID or a wristband, you just scan your wristband at the entrance. If you get the green you are good, if you get the blue then you have an issue. All in the name of protecting the money of the company and also the guests for all the money they did spend.

Technology/Innovation: Disney is different because of this. In order to stay at the top, they have to be competitive. By offering something like this for the "guest experience" is will in turn set Disney apart. In many guests eyes they will see it as amazing and so beneficial. These differences are what do bring guests back which again brings Disney more money. So while I know you what more that the "guest experience" bit, it really is a reason, because that guest experience is money. Don't believe me, that is why Disney increases park hours when it is busy. They want their guests to experience the 8.5 attractions they are supposed to in their visit to the park. If they don't because they failed to plan park hours appropriately for crowd levels, then they have failed their objective... they have failed their guests...which means they have failed their shareholders.

Anyways, I'm not an expert. I don't even know the possibilities, limitations, or actual use of these devices, but it seems to me to have more pros than cons. It really isn't as controversial as everyone is making it out to be. Also, if the government came out with these for a driver's license replace, sure it would make some skeptical and get big brother syndrome, but it's Mickey Mouse. How can you not trust Mickey Mouse? ;)
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
And the english cop........ bet your loads of fun at parties. You have anymore endearing qualities we should know about?
Wow...lighten up. It was a joke.

Also...if you are so offended by spelling corrections, then perhaps you should install a spell checker....Firefox comes with one built in...or learn to spell
 

JCtheparrothead

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This device will most certianally will be able to transmit a signal. It will let a "data base" know exactly where you are at all times. How much time you are spending in a cue.....to how much time you are spending in a shop. It will be next to impossible not to have one.....they will make sure of that. They are spending big bucks on this technology....there is a ROI somewhere. Dont give me the line it is supposed to make my visit easier....more enjoyable. If you wanted to do that get off thier keysters and start moving some dirt on pluseing the place.

This is Big Brother in its full glory, Will I wear it? I will probably have to.....wont like it though.

Not enough power to transmit your location all the time. It will probably have portal locates at the most which means you have to walk through a reader location or scan it near a register.
 

DisneyJoe

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Not enough power to transmit your location all the time. It will probably have portal locates at the most which means you have to walk through a reader location or scan it near a register.

Or a door, or ride entrance, or a window, or trashcan, or fence.....the hardest way to track you is when you are walking down the middle of the street....
 

jme

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Any chance it might interfere with cell phones or pacemakers?
Not if they want the FCC to approve it.

Pacemakers, for the most part, are safe except around magnets.
Cell phones operate on a completely different frequency than RFID, and are bound to that frequency by regulations.

These bands are on 2.4GHz - other devices on this frequency (so devices that COULD be interfered with) include: Bluetooth Headsets, WiFi, Car Alarms, Baby Monitors, and Home cordless phones (amongst other stuff).
Given the ultra-low power this antenna is getting, it won't be interfering with anything. Even those devices. Many of which I'm sure you already have in your home and aren't even interfering with each other.
 

powlessfamily4

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I don't see it as a huge issue. I am at WDW for a little over a week twice a year. I am more concerned about things I usue on a daily basis being tracked... like cell phones and new chip they have put into my drivers license. ;)
 

Uncle Lupe

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There are two RFID systems in the bracelet.

The one with a battery will transmit its code/info a short distance, though it's unclear the exact range. (I'd guess about 3 feet.) This is similar to the EZPass toll payment tags where the tag on your windshield is read by an antenna in the lane as you drive through. My guess is that this part will be used for most of the in-park NextGen things, where antennas in the queue or on the ride will read it. It'll most likely only send out non-critical/non-secure info like your first name so that the ride can use that. This would also be how they could read where people are.

The other system is a passive RFID chip. With these you have to get the chip very close to the reader for it to be recognized. This would be like the employee ID cards, subway fare cards, credit cards with chips in them, where you have to tap the card to a target to get it to read. At Disney this will be the more secure data that needs to be specific and close-by to each person, like your park admission, room key, charging privileges, etc.

I wonder if Disney will give people the option of removing the battery so that the battery transmitted portion of the bracelet can be disabled.

-Rob


It appears that a Grim Grinning Ghost deleted my post.

Anyway, the passive RFID chip can be read from a relative long distance if they want. We use a RFID scanner at work for inventory purposes and and if you had to be that close to every tag it would not be practical. It just depends on what they want to use them for and how much info they want.

I agree that for point of sale systems you would need to be very close to use them. But to scan a crowd during parades or fireworks could be done to compare guest flow very easily.

Someone mentioned the cost. These things are cheap to make and any cost might be passed onto the consumer.
 

GrumpyFan

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Original Poster
I've been watching and reading thru a lot of this post over the weekend, and I find the paranoia to be amazing if not downright silly and unfounded, especially considering how little we actually know about this thing. I tried to come up with a worst case scenario, and this was the best I could do.

As you're exiting the park, Disney security stops you, and says:

Mr. Smith, we're with Disney enforcement and you're going to have to turn around and go back in. We've been monitoring you all day and noticed that you failed to ride It's a Small World. This is a required attraction that you must see before we can allow you to leave. Also, you failed to see a parade today, therefore we're going to have to ask you to step into this room here and watch this video of the parade from today. After that we're going to ask that you also go back into the gift shop and buy one of our Plush+ Mickeys with the super RFID chip installed which will allow us to send you subliminal messages once you get home. Two other things Mr. Smith, we noticed you stopped to smoke 12 times today. Here's a list of recommended smoking cessation programs, or if you choose not to stop, please note that the Disney company is part owner of Huff n Puff tobacco company, so the more you smoke the better it is for us. Oh, and the other thing we noticed was that you went to the restroom 15 times today, Dr Peeless, in your area can see you next Wednesday about your bladder problem.

This is tongue-in-cheek of course, but I really don't see anything near this nefarious on Disney's part. At the worst, they will probably analyze your trends while at WDW to try and get you to buy more merchandise and food. But, that will likely be very subtle via advertising, product placement and subliminal suggestions like millisecond ads inside of 3D shows and piped in food smells. Oh wait, they already do that...
 

bgraham34

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I've been watching and reading thru a lot of this post over the weekend, and I find the paranoia to be amazing if not downright silly and unfounded, especially considering how little we actually know about this thing. I tried to come up with a worst case scenario, and this was the best I could do.

As you're exiting the park, Disney security stops you, and says:

Mr. Smith, we're with Disney enforcement and you're going to have to turn around and go back in. We've been monitoring you all day and noticed that you failed to ride It's a Small World. This is a required attraction that you must see before we can allow you to leave. Also, you failed to see a parade today, therefore we're going to have to ask you to step into this room here and watch this video of the parade from today. After that we're going to ask that you also go back into the gift shop and buy one of our Plush+ Mickeys with the super RFID chip installed which will allow us to send you subliminal messages once you get home. Two other things Mr. Smith, we noticed you stopped to smoke 12 times today. Here's a list of recommended smoking cessation programs, or if you choose not to stop, please note that the Disney company is part owner of Huff n Puff tobacco company, so the more you smoke the better it is for us. Oh, and the other thing we noticed was that you went to the restroom 15 times today, Dr Peeless, in your area can see you next Wednesday about your bladder problem.

This is tongue-in-cheek of course, but I really don't see anything near this nefarious on Disney's part. At the worst, they will probably analyze your trends while at WDW to try and get you to buy more merchandise and food. But, that will likely be very subtle via advertising, product placement and subliminal suggestions like millisecond ads inside of 3D shows and piped in food smells. Oh wait, they already do that...

See now that's something I don't want to participate in. I just want to go on vacation and not worrying about them watching where I go. I want some privacy and I don't want to be targeted for extra advertising if that is what they are aiming for. My long term issue with this is that this is a start of tracking wherever you go. How would you like to have a chip installed on you and when you go onto a bus you have specific advertising targeted towards you. Sorry I am not interested in this. We were fooling around with this in my old company. HR wanted to track how long some people would be in the bathroom or out of the office on their cell phones. Good thing at the time the cost was too high. This certainly opens up a can of worms in my opinion.
 

GrumpyFan

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Original Poster
If you carry a cell phone, it's practically already happening, or at least available. Also, if you use the Internet, (which by posting here, you do), you are being tracked by your Internet Service Provider, plus the servers/sites you visit, as well as your employer, if at work as well and possibly the NSA and/or FBI. Also, your bank, credit card provider tracks what you do and where you spend your money, and depending on what you buy, the FBI might also be watching. Depending on where you drive your car, you can be tracked as well. Also, most shopping malls, large retail stores, airports, etc. are watching you.
The point here is, it's inescapable and already happening! Whether you choose to wear/use this device that Disney is going to offer or not, you will still be tracked/monitored in some way or another.
 

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