Disney’s Broken Theme Park Promises & False Advertising

Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Jrb1979 said:
I agree and disagree. I know most here don't follow other parks or visit other parks much but there is a reason most don't announce anything til it's past the concept phase. When they announce new attractions at most other parks it ends up being close to what they announced
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And yet, how many complaints might be received if the didn't say anything until everything was finalized. Even Walt announced many things that he never actually built. He intended to, but other things, like the 1964 NY Worlds Fair, change the best laid plans of mice and men. They can't win no matter what they do, when it comes to new attractions. If you tell them what is planned then, by god, it better be exactly like the concept art showed, if you don't tell them they get pressure for not doing anything new. There is no way to win.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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Goofyernmost said:
If you tell them what is planned then, by god, it better be exactly like the concept art showed, if you don't tell them they get pressure for not doing anything new. There is no way to win.
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Or....don't contiually produce a final product that is half of what the concept art showed which is also overhyped.

7DMT is the best example, IMO. Final product is nearly half of what was originally planned. Hagrids and Escape From Gringotts are similar attractions that are far superior.

They did a great job with Cosmic Rewind and RotR. Nobody is complaining or pressuring them. And not everything needs to be an E ticket. But walk through attractions (looking at you Moana) aren't exactly getting anybody excited (or at least anybody that isn't a brand defender). Especially when it's taken over 3 years and counting to complete that area of Epcot while their competition up the street is building an entire theme park with resorts in roughly the same amount of time.

I'm sure if they produce a commercial for Monana walk through attraction it will present it as the pinnacle of immersive experiences.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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wdisney9000 said:
Or....don't contiually produce a final product that is half of what the concept art showed which is also overhyped.

7DMT is the best example, IMO. Final product is nearly half of what was originally planned. Hagrids and Escape From Gringotts are similar attractions that are far superior.

They did a great job with Cosmic Rewind and RotR. Nobody is complaining or pressuring them. And not everything needs to be an E ticket. But walk through attractions (looking at you Moana) aren't exactly getting anybody excited (or at least anybody that isn't a brand defender). Especially when it's taken over 3 years and counting to complete that area of Epcot while their competition up the street is building an entire theme park with resorts in roughly the same amount of time.

I'm sure if they produce a commercial for Monana walk through attraction it will present it as the pinnacle of immersive experiences.
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"Life is so constructed, that the event does not, cannot, will not, match the expectation". Charlotte Bronte
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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Goofyernmost said:
Not a defense, it is a life lesson. And it is reality that still applies.
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This is a forum of discussion.

You made a post claiming, " They can't win no matter what they do, when it comes to new attractions. If you tell them what is planned then, by god, it better be exactly like the concept art showed",

I pointed out Disney has a track record of showing concept art and attraction plans that end up being half of what they gave people expectations of. That is why they get criticized. I was genuinely curious to see if you agreed with my response? If not, I'd honestly be interested to here why you would not agree. Again, it's a discussion forum.

Have we ever had a scenario where the attraction was better than what the concept art showed? Have we had a scenario where the track was longer and had more show scenes than what the concept art showed? Have we had a scenario where the attraction was at least what the concept art even showed?

Perhaps it's not an issue of "Disney can't win no matter what they do", but rather Disney creates their own problems by over exaggerating, overhyping and under delivering.





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Kirby86

Kirby86

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I think it would be false advertising if the attraction is completely diffrent from what the advertising says it would be. An example would be let's say they advertise Tower of Terror as it is a drop ride themed to Twilight Zone. You like drop rides and Twilight Zone so you book a trip to Hollywood Studios to go on that ride. You get to the park and line up for Tower of Terror and it turns out it's a dark ride based on Hunchback of Notre Dame that's false advertising.

Concept art is just concept art that's why they usually say in a small disclaimer saying final product may change.
 
Cmdr_Crimson

Cmdr_Crimson

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Kirby86 said:
Concept art is just concept art that's why they usually say in a small disclaimer saying final product may change.
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Epcot: "Hold my Churro!"
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Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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wdisney9000 said:
This is a forum of discussion.

You made a post claiming, " They can't win no matter what they do, when it comes to new attractions. If you tell them what is planned then, by god, it better be exactly like the concept art showed",

I pointed out Disney has a track record of showing concept art and attraction plans that end up being half of what they gave people expectations of. That is why they get criticized. I was genuinely curious to see if you agreed with my response? If not, I'd honestly be interested to here why you would not agree. Again, it's a discussion forum.

Have we ever had a scenario where the attraction was better than what the concept art showed? Have we had a scenario where the track was longer and had more show scenes than what the concept art showed? Have we had a scenario where the attraction was at least what the concept art even showed?

Perhaps it's not an issue of "Disney can't win no matter what they do", but rather Disney creates their own problems by over exaggerating, overhyping and under delivering.





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I know it's a discussion forum. That is why I am discussing the absolute fantasy that just because they tell you what they intend to do doesn't mean that is exactly what you are going to get. It is easy to build almost anything in a pencil sketch. Then reality sets in and changes have to be made. It is just life. I don't disagree with them showing concept (key word there) art but when adults start to ignore the realities of actual life then I get frustrated. My point was if Disney didn't at least give you an idea about what they are thinking the fans would be upset that Disney doesn't plan or do anything new. They spent billions on Star Wars Land and yet we are constantly hearing about how Disney hasn't invested in the parks for two decades. Right!

An example was given that the plan for 7 dwarfs train was much bigger. It was more like there was a plan presented that was bigger. It was never consider for many reasons but it was never officially made public. The one that was smaller is the one we were told about. No one tried to fool us into thinking it would be bigger. That concept drawing was not even seen until after the attraction was built. Why did they not go with the bigger concept, I don't know. It might have been money, it might have been space or it might have not fit in a section of WDW that catered more to kids than adults. Not everything needs to be built that would make grown ups happy but traumatize children. It is a family ride. It has some features that were never before seen. Like the fact that was a coaster the operated like a dark ride. Can we even appreciate the engineering that had to be accomplished to make that happen. The ride up the hill from the mine with the shadows of the Dwarfs walking up along side us was mind boggling yet leave it to the super fans to not think that was enough. No, it had to have more hills and drops and heart stopping turns to make it worthwhile.

Therein lies my part of the discussion.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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Goofyernmost said:
I know it's a discussion forum. That is why I am discussing the absolute fantasy that just because they tell you what they intend to do doesn't mean that is exactly what you are going to get. It is easy to build almost anything in a pencil sketch. Then reality sets in and changes have to be made. It is just life. I don't disagree with them showing concept (key word there) art but when adults start to ignore the realities of actual life then I get frustrated. My point was if Disney didn't at least give you an idea about what they are thinking the fans would be upset that Disney doesn't plan or do anything new. They spent billions on Star Wars Land and yet we are constantly hearing about how Disney hasn't invested in the parks for two decades. Right!

An example was given that the plan for 7 dwarfs train was much bigger. It was more like there was a plan presented that was bigger. It was never consider for many reasons but it was never officially made public. The one that was smaller is the one we were told about. No one tried to fool us into thinking it would be bigger. That concept drawing was not even seen until after the attraction was built. Why did they not go with the bigger concept, I don't know. It might have been money, it might have been space or it might have not fit in a section of WDW that catered more to kids than adults. Not everything needs to be built that would make grown ups happy but traumatize children. It is a family ride. It has some features that were never before seen. Like the fact that was a coaster the operated like a dark ride. Can we even appreciate the engineering that had to be accomplished to make that happen. The ride up the hill from the mine with the shadows of the Dwarfs walking up along side us was mind boggling yet leave it to the super fans to not think that was enough. No, it had to have more hills and drops and heart stopping turns to make it worthwhile.

Therein lies my part of the discussion.
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That's the problem I have with releasing concept art for hype. It continues to backfire. It's why most other parks don't do it. They wait til they have shovels in the ground.
 
Skibum1970

Skibum1970

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Layout (Original to Revisions):

Original Seven Dwarfs Mine Train

The Mine Train originally had some other scenes in it, as I've heard on this forum. But which scenes have been cut during the process? Not another mine scene I suppose?
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The above picture was the original concept art that Disney released and it does not resemble what the ride ended up being. The original question was around false advertising. I brought this up because concept art that is a fraction of the original is disappointing, while I freely acknowledge that I know concept art takes a lot of artistic license.
 

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