PhotoDave219
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I dunno, I'll match a Canon 1-D Mk II or a Nikon D2H against it for sheer speed. 8 frames a second.imagineer99 said:
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imagineer99
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Dave...I can't afford those type of cameras....
Maybe, I'm just a true luddite. Film still looks better to me for some reason.
After all, I doubt that movies will EVER totally be made using Digtal Video. Sure as technology improves, we're bound to see a growing use. However, film is something that I doubt will ever be replaced.
Maybe, I'm just a true luddite. Film still looks better to me for some reason.
After all, I doubt that movies will EVER totally be made using Digtal Video. Sure as technology improves, we're bound to see a growing use. However, film is something that I doubt will ever be replaced.
Kadee
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WOW! Great thread! And perfect timing, too. I am about to buy myself a digital camera (something small....point & shoot) and my daughter is getting one for Christmas. But until now, i really didn't know a lot about them. One question, though......Has anyone heard anything about the Sony CyberShot? A friend of mine has an older one (1-2 years old) but I want the new one that is not much bigger than a credit card....Remember the commercial with the girls in the restaurant and Steven Tyler? I want SMALL!!! I HATE carrying things in Disney, especially a big bulky camera. I have taken my old film Minolta SLR and gotten some wonderful shots. I have a Maxxum 5 that is amazing!!!! But I don't want to lug that around... OK...I know I am rambling now... Any info on the Sony CyberShot would be greatly appreciated.... Thanks!!! 
wannab@dis
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You don't have to get a high end SLR camera for great results with a digital camera. As mentioned above, good digital cameras are now available for $200 - $300 and even cheaper when on sale.imagineer99 said:Dave...I can't afford those type of cameras....
Maybe, I'm just a true luddite. Film still looks better to me for some reason.
Since I bought a digital camera, I have taken MANY more pictures and printed some really awesome shots. Just think, you don't know what a picture you take with your film camera looks like until you get it developed. I know what mine looks like as soon as I take the picture. If I don't like, I get another shot.
You will also start learning more about photography since you know instantly what your picture looks like and then figure out how to get a better shot. Finally, I only print the pictures that I really like and don't waste money on "so-so" pictures. I can also easily edit my pictures prior to print.
So, all in all, I think switching to digital has been a wonderful experience!
imagineer99
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Uh...I have two digital cameras. A CANON power shot and a Digital Rebel SLR. I know the advantages (and disadvantages) of digital cameras.
pisco
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I would take that bet. With the cost of making movies skyrocketing and the ability via software to give the digital video whatever look you would like, I wouldn't be surprised to see DV replace film almost entirely in the next 5-10 years. Look at it this way, how many people make dagerroutypes (sp?) any more? Can you buy any new albums on cassette tape still? Technology always moves forward and industries will adapt to the tools and technologies that get the job done and maximize profitability.imagineer99 said:
wannab@dis
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I sure didn't mean to offend you! Since you mentioned that you may be a "luddite" then I thought I would point out what I thought was some advatages of digital cameras.imagineer99 said:Uh...I have two digital cameras. A CANON power shot and a Digital Rebel SLR. I know the advantages (and disadvantages) of digital cameras.
Happy Picture Taking! (film and / or digital)
Kadee said:WOW! Great thread! And perfect timing, too. I am about to buy myself a digital camera (something small....point & shoot) and my daughter is getting one for Christmas. But until now, i really didn't know a lot about them. One question, though......Has anyone heard anything about the Sony CyberShot? A friend of mine has an older one (1-2 years old) but I want the new one that is not much bigger than a credit card....Remember the commercial with the girls in the restaurant and Steven Tyler? I want SMALL!!! I HATE carrying things in Disney, especially a big bulky camera. I have taken my old film Minolta SLR and gotten some wonderful shots. I have a Maxxum 5 that is amazing!!!! But I don't want to lug that around... OK...I know I am rambling now... Any info on the Sony CyberShot would be greatly appreciated.... Thanks!!!
My soon to be old digital is a sony Mavica FD73, took floppies. The cybershot P73 or P93 are supposed to be awesome cameras. Sony's has the best movie mode 640x480 30fps only limited by available memory. Once concern is that it will fill up your memory stick and there won't be any room for photos. Also the Sony memory stick is propriatary(please excuse spelling) IT's slower then CF or SD and more expensive. but small. The cybershots lack manual features which isn't a big deal for most people. the P73 and P93 comes with 2 AA type rechargeable battery and charger so you can use regualr AA batteries in a pinch. The Battery life isn't as long as the kodaks and canons but it's fit in your pocket styleing is nice. all depends on what you want. go to http://www.steves-digicams.com or http://www.imaging-resource.com for more info. I was torn between the canon and sony also but My experience with canon has always been good The Canon A75 has a panorama stitch mode and manual settings that stood ahead of the Sony's.
mrtoad
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In my opinion I would not make a decision on buy an digital still camera on it's video capibilities or vice versa. I think they are more just an extra thrown in. Niether one does the other quite well. The movies that you get from a digital still are small for screen and are of ok quality but are too large generally for emailing to people. Stills from a digital camcorder are not of high quality.
So in my opinion, look at what you want to do. Do you want to print and up to what size? Do you want to have manual control? Do you want to only email shots? Do you need to take shots of high moving objects or just stationary objects? Stuff like that.
One other thing to realize too is just because one camera has a 5 MP and another has a 4 MP does not make the 5 a better camera. One of the complaints of some users is if say Canon for example has a 4 MP sensor in G3 and they put a 5 MP in the G5 but the sensor is actually the same physical size of the 4 MP sensor it produces more noise in the shots.
My 4 MP A80 and my 4 MP S400 take as good of a shot as my 6 MP Rebel. The Rebel just gives me the ability to print that shot at a larger size. This is just for quality of shot I am talking about not features or capibility of shot. The Rebel is faster and has a ton more features. I just mean if you were outside say taking a shot of Mickey and your kid in front of the castle and you took a shot with the A80 at 4MP and the Rebel at 6MP both shots would be excellent with the Rebel just producing a larger shot.
All that being said not all 4MP are the same either. Do your research ahead of time, you will be happy you did. It is an expensive mistake, I know I have been there.
So in my opinion, look at what you want to do. Do you want to print and up to what size? Do you want to have manual control? Do you want to only email shots? Do you need to take shots of high moving objects or just stationary objects? Stuff like that.
One other thing to realize too is just because one camera has a 5 MP and another has a 4 MP does not make the 5 a better camera. One of the complaints of some users is if say Canon for example has a 4 MP sensor in G3 and they put a 5 MP in the G5 but the sensor is actually the same physical size of the 4 MP sensor it produces more noise in the shots.
My 4 MP A80 and my 4 MP S400 take as good of a shot as my 6 MP Rebel. The Rebel just gives me the ability to print that shot at a larger size. This is just for quality of shot I am talking about not features or capibility of shot. The Rebel is faster and has a ton more features. I just mean if you were outside say taking a shot of Mickey and your kid in front of the castle and you took a shot with the A80 at 4MP and the Rebel at 6MP both shots would be excellent with the Rebel just producing a larger shot.
All that being said not all 4MP are the same either. Do your research ahead of time, you will be happy you did. It is an expensive mistake, I know I have been there.
imagineer99
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pisco said:
I admit that low budget pictures (such as independent movies) will continually see a rise in DV use. After all, several films at this year's Sundance utilized this medium. It is cheap and VERY easy to edit.
However, as of right now, I can easily tell the difference between film and DV footage. Film looks infinitely better.
Maybe my opinion will change over time. But such a conversion is going to take way longer than 10 years.
imagineer99
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pisco said:Like I said earlier, I'll take that bet.
This is Hollywood we are talking about. Profit seems to always win out over quality! Just look at the crap Disney has been putting out the last few years.
*Pisco and Imagineer99 shake hands*
Both stare defiantly at there watches...waiting... :wave:
heh.. I love the Analog v. Digital debate. Years ago, people said that music would go over entirely to digital.... well, years later, it still hasn't. You do gain clarity with digital, but you lose a sense of warmth. It's too real, and films are supposed to be an escape from reality.
Both mediums will coexist for the time being.
Who's willing to take this bet?
Both mediums will coexist for the time being.
Who's willing to take this bet?
DisneyMan
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saltmom1 said:
Something cool you may want to try is either when you get back home or better yet bring a laptop when you go to the WDW and as you are relaxing at night in the hotel room log on to the internet and set yourself up with an account on snapfish.com. Its a free service that you can post your pictures to so others such and friends and family can view them. They will also provide you the ability to have those pictures printed and sent to your house. The printing will cost you money but the account is still free. Something to check out and if you do it early enough in your vaction to WDW they may be waiting for you when you get home. Have fun!
-DisneyMan :sohappy:
mrtoad
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mkt said:
I agree they will for a while but a lot of camera companies have started or are talking about discontinuing selling film cameras. Kodak announced early this year that they will stop producing 35mm point and shoots for sale in the US.
These are few numbers pulled from some articles on dpreview. In 2003 50 million digital cameras were sold world wide and 57 million film cameras were sold in the same time frame. For a new medium that is huge.
Also on the site analysts believe that digital camera sales will reach 53 million for 2004 and grow at a rate of 15% year over year for the next 4 years to a total of 82 million units in 2008 sold.
Also from their site:
At the end of 2002 approximately 23 million U.S. households – nearly 20 percent – owned digital cameras. During the life cycle of a technology, a new product is often considered to have reached the early majority – or the mass market – after achieving 22 percent penetration. Digital cameras are close to reaching this point. In addition, the changing demographics of digital camera users are critical to the movement of these products into the mass market. As the most photo active households – generally women and families with young
children – begin to use digital cameras, the technology moves closer to becoming a mainstream product. The challenge, of course, will be providing the infrastructure for these consumers to print their digital images and to successfully market these services.
I believe that number has been well past now meanng they are mainstream. I also read somewhere but don't remember where that digital camera acceptance has grown faster than any other type of product in history, faster than the phone, cars, tv, etc. People that were not photo-bugs have become ones due to the fact that it is so easy and free after the inital purchase to use unless you print.
So back to what Rob said, they will coexist for the time being I don't think it will be for long. At least for the consumers, not pros. But in time that will change too. I am not making a statement that the quality of digital is better than film, I just think the ease of use and long term cost are catipulting digital over film and eventuly will land on the film and crush it out of existance on the market so to speak.
Yeah, long post I know. Sorry.