DHS expansion areas

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Every time I hear people talking about expanding DHS, I also hear talk about tearing stuff down. Besides the obvious expanding into the parking lot and building parking structures, I've identified a number of sites that are vacant and could be used for expansion. I have circled in yellow those sites.

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DManRightHere

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Every time I hear people talking about expanding DHS, I also hear talk about tearing stuff down. Besides the obvious expanding into the parking lot and building parking structures, I've identified a number of sites that are vacant and could be used for expansion. I have circled in yellow those sites.

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I hope they expand into the parking lot with a star wars land. I thought it looked like a good enough location to be close to star tours. I guess they would beed to start on a parking garage soon if they were going that route.
 

Mouse_Trap

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To me the most obvious expansion site is to reroute the park entrance road off World Drive, then you have a massive space available.

Aside from that, scrapping of the Backlot tour, and the Stunt Show would free up a huge area also - but that would result in lost attractions.

With either of these ways, no need for a parking structure. I would have though Disney would be reluctant to build such as it would be very visible.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
I hope they expand into the parking lot with a star wars land. I thought it looked like a good enough location to be close to star tours. I guess they would beed to start on a parking garage soon if they were going that route.
Q: What do USO and DLR have in common, which WDW hasn't quite figured out yet?

A: Both USO and DLR have theme parks that share parking structures.

EC and HS are close enough to do something similar. A new parking facility can be built in an elongated shape parallel to World Drive west of EC and south of where the EPCOT monorail turns east. The monorail could then be extended to run through the elongated parking structure and south a little further until it reaches HS. The new parking facility's like be used for both HS and EC. People would also be able to park at either the MK or the traditional EC parking lot and take the monorail to HS. In other words, the HS parking lot would be unnecessary with monorail being expanded. Only two thirds of a mile of additional monorail track would be required (comparable to the Hoggswarts Express), and a needle in a haystack when you compare the distance of track that was required for the EPCOT loop from the TTC. An extension to HS would not require a loop. The track would simply end just past the station and the trains would then reverse direction and switch tracks. Additionally, the elongated parking structure would also support the monorail tracks running through it, reducing overall construction costs.
 

DManRightHere

Well-Known Member
Q: What do USO and DLR have in common, which WDW hasn't quite figured out yet?

A: Both USO and DLR have theme parks that share parking structures.

EC and HS are close enough to do something similar. A new parking facility can be built in an elongated shape parallel to World Drive west of EC and south of where the EPCOT monorail turns east. The monorail could then be extended to run through the elongated parking structure and south a little further until it reaches HS. The new parking facility's like be used for both HS and EC. People would also be able to park at either the MK or the traditional EC parking lot and take the monorail to HS. In other words, the HS parking lot would be unnecessary with monorail being expanded. Only two thirds of a mile of additional monorail track would be required (comparable to the Hoggswarts Express), and a needle in a haystack when you compare the distance of track that was required for the EPCOT loop from the TTC. An extension to HS would not require a loop. The track would simply end just past the station and the trains would then reverse direction and switch tracks. Additionally, the elongated parking structure would also support the monorail tracks running through it, reducing overall construction costs.

But Disneyland and Universal have major land capacity issues. That wasn't originally the case with Disney world.

The way Hollywood Studios is laid out and assuming they make a star wars land instead of closing other attractions to build it looks like a parking deck will be needed or a short transportation and shared parking like you suggested. If both parks are close enough with existing parking lots I wonder if it would be efficient to use the parking lot trams to transport people.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Parking garages for DHS have been mooted.

But it will never share with another park. Thats Fantasyland.
Seriously, never say never. If Disney Springs gets one, all things are possible, since Disney Springs isn't the kind of cash cow theme parks are!
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
To me the most obvious expansion site is to reroute the park entrance road off World Drive, then you have a massive space available.

Aside from that, scrapping of the Backlot tour, and the Stunt Show would free up a huge area also - but that would result in lost attractions.

With either of these ways, no need for a parking structure. I would have though Disney would be reluctant to build such as it would be very visible.

The majority of the land on the other side of the entrance road is considered unsuitable for construction.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Seriously, never say never. If Disney Springs gets one, all things are possible, since Disney Springs isn't the kind of cash cow theme parks are!
On this, I'll say never. It's not needed and the vast cost and civil engineering wouldn't warrant the result. You'll get your DHS garage eventually with redesigned infrastructure. Unless they just chop down more trees.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
On this, I'll say never. It's not needed and the vast cost and civil engineering wouldn't warrant the result. You'll get your DHS garage eventually with redesigned infrastructure. Unless they just chop down more trees.
You know why I advocate this. One guess.

Give up?

Three syllables.

First syllable. M + "On"

Second syllable. "Oh"

Third syllable. R + "Ale"

So, my plan solves so many problems with a single genius stroke (while also getting monorail as a "freebie")!
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
You forgot one thing.

It's not a problem.

Now stop it! :D
If it wasn't a problem, there would be monorail to DHS by now. The "problem" was there were no funds allocated for it in the budget that initially built DHS or in the 1994 expansion budget. It was left out because, after EC was built three times over budget, Eisner wanted to prove the he can build a popular theme park at a mere fraction of what had been spent on EC.

The intention from the get-go was for DHS to be serviced by monorail. Eisner just didn't want to risk cost overruns by including monorail as part of the park's opening budget, preferring instead to make sure enough money went into opening day attractions. The rationale was that it could always be built later. It was more important, at that time, to invest in attractions. The thinking (rightly so) was that people will visit the new park because there's attractions they want to see - not because they want to ride the monorail.

Then, when the 1994 expansion came along, the park was in greater need for new and exciting attractions. And guess what? That left no money leftover for the monorail expansion. Those were the two biggest capital outlays for the park and monorail's best window of opportunity to get funded. Having missed those two opportunities, monorail has remained on the back-burner, where it is today, waiting to be funded out of the next big capital outlay.

That next capital outlay could be the next major expansion of the park. Depending on the budget, getting monorail expansion funds allocated from it is problematic even today - unless it's found as extra-value use of funds purposes for other priority use.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
It was left out because, after EC was built three times over budget
Twice over budget.

There is no parking problem, and so no problem to be solved by a consolidated garage linked by transportation.

Monorail expansion was never meant to come either DHS phase one nor the 1993-4 expansion. If it were to happen it would be separate to any park operations and attractions funding and decision making.

Please don't turn this into another bloody monorail thread.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Twice over budget.

There is no parking problem, and so no problem to be solved by a consolidated garage linked by transportation.

Monorail expansion was never meant to come either DHS phase one nor the 1993-4 expansion. If it were to happen it would be separate to any park operations and attractions funding and decision making.

Please don't turn this into another bloody monorail thread.
I wish I had a GIF of a monorail with blood all over it... to lighten the mood. :)
 

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