As another poster mentioned, looking at it with Libertarian principles, Disney has the right to completely ban smoking if they want. Libertarianism has to do with the government being involved with a smoking ban and not letting private businesses set rules on smoking for themselves.
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Designated Smoking Areas - Do they need to be more secluded?
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As another poster mentioned, looking at it with Libertarian principles, Disney has the right to completely ban smoking if they want. Libertarianism has to do with the government being involved with a smoking ban and not letting private businesses set rules on smoking for themselves.
Chevross
Active Member
Wow, so you are telling me that if I'm standing in line for a ride and somebody decides to light up one and puffs in my face and I end up having a reaction to it, I was stupid for getting sick? My bad I was trying to enjoy life at WDW and I was born with a condition.
Designated areas in my opinion are needed (I could have said that public smoking should be banned, but I'm not) because there are certain situations where you might have someone that could end up in the hospital if they come into contact with cigarette smoke. And don't say it's only smoke. There are chemicals in those cigarette's that can cause reactions.
GenerationX
Well-Known Member
I'm a non-smoker and voted for the first option. I think Disney has done a fine job setting up smoking sections. I am old enough to remember when smoking was fair game almost anywhere (offices, ballpark seats, airplanes, etc.). I view the current state of restrictions throughout the country, including Disney's take, as reasonable.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
NO you're not stupid for getting sick, but you would be stupid for not getting away from it. If you have such a condition that you become violently ill from contact with smoke then you should do everything in your power to avoid such a scenario. That means getting out of the way of it at all costs.
Chevross
Active Member
Oh I do my best to get out of the way of it. I would have thought that would have been obvious. I'm still going to enjoy life though.
In addition to the locations of the designated smoking areas, there is also the potential for improvement of the facilities/accommodations themselves. As someone mentioned above, fans and other smoke-minimizing devices could be implemented to reduce the amount of "second hand smoke."
...Disney could also install those "misting fans" as a sort of joke on the smoker population, making it impossible for them to light a cig. :lol: But that would defeat the purpose of maintaining a comfortable environment for the smokers, and would encourage them to light up elsewhere.
Speaking of water, one thing that I did notice is that most of the designated locations are not covered in any way, meaning that - during one of Florida's frequent rain showers - a smoker would have to stand in the rain while staying within the designated smoking area. There is a tiny spot next to the CoP that is covered by the TTA route, but hardly more than a few square feet. And those "modern" umbrellas have holes in them! :brick:
While the locations are decent, there is no covering for shade/rain, which would be nice.
...Disney could also install those "misting fans" as a sort of joke on the smoker population, making it impossible for them to light a cig. :lol: But that would defeat the purpose of maintaining a comfortable environment for the smokers, and would encourage them to light up elsewhere.
Speaking of water, one thing that I did notice is that most of the designated locations are not covered in any way, meaning that - during one of Florida's frequent rain showers - a smoker would have to stand in the rain while staying within the designated smoking area. There is a tiny spot next to the CoP that is covered by the TTA route, but hardly more than a few square feet. And those "modern" umbrellas have holes in them! :brick:
While the locations are decent, there is no covering for shade/rain, which would be nice.
yankspy
Well-Known Member
I would have to agree. I am a smoker and the one that makes no sense to me is the one located right outside of the health club in the Wilderness Lodge.
As far as the best in terms of seclusion, I have always felt comfortable at the one in Tomorrowland.
lighteningqueen
Well-Known Member
The wost one I think is right by the Dole whip place you stand in line and it just nausiates?? you to even be there. Even sitting at their tables to the right of the windows you can smell it. it is not a very deep area there and they should move that one. No way to avoid that spot and not smell it. Gave me a headache the rest of the day
Mickey is King
New Member
I actually would have another option, get rid of smoking and ban it in the parks completely. Other parks, such as the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park have done this successfully and it makes the parks much more enjoyable.
The problem is no one respects the rules enough to only smoke in the smoking area, so an outright ban is the best option in my opinion.
If you are caught smoking, first offense is a warning (CM/Security scans your admission ticket/room key), second offense you are escorted out of the park for the rest of the day you cannot go into any of the parks (if you are caught in the park that day, then a one year ban, if you go during that year, a lifetime ban), third offense is a one year ban from the parks, even if you are on your vacation, fourth offense (after you are allowed back), a lifetime ban.
Aren't you smokers glad I am not in charge?
But again, other major parks (entire day parks) have done this, why not Disney?
Ok, since Disney would never have the guts to do it....how about this:
Comfortable Smoking Booths with automated Double Doors, the inside ones would never open until the outside ones are completely closed. The outside one will never open until the inside ones are completely closed. The ventilation system would be equiped with filters to trap all of the gunk. The booths would be air conditioned and extremely comfortable, with washers that would spray the room when empty down to clean it (everything water proof and non-asorbant of course) . The janitorial staff that smoke would be responsible for deep cleaning at night and periodically cleaning and emptying ash trays and such.
The booths would probably cost around $25,000 each (including proper theming) and could be placed just about anywhere that there is enough room. I thinks this would be a good compromise. If they are comfortable, then smokers will prefer to smoke there. In addition, I would use the same force as above for those not smoking in the smoking booths.
Diney will NEVER ban it completely from the parks, I have been a smoker & a non-smoker. From the smoker's point of view: you spend 10-15 hrs. in a place w/screaming kids and food and so on and not smoke for 15hrs.- lot's of ticked off nicotine addicts that are groring impatient, and getting short on nerves (good for the other guests).....
Non- smokers- you wont get cancer from the 10-120 secs. you can smell smoke from 50ft. away, outside no less.
The busses give off probably more toxins to the average guest waiting at the hotel to board (exhaust), and the greasy smoke coming from the eateries, and the natural gas outakes at almost every attaction, and the smoke from all the fireworks at the night shows (gunpowder).
Yes, I think they do a good job w/ them.
I know some people don't want kids to see anyone smoking but c'mon, it's o.k. to drink drugs in front of them (booze) and act silly so to speak.:drevil:
Let's keep things in perspective here.
Mickey is King
New Member
Alcohol is a mind altering substance that makes you act numb if you take to much. And Ironincally is a "disease". (I like drinks once in a while)
Nicotine (once addicted) if you don't have it you act like an A$$, I know ,I quit 8 yrs. ago. Smoking isn't called a disease for being addicted , it's called addict. Or something nasty.
At least I have never heard anyone refer to a smoker a sick w/a disease.
Did you know Alcohol related death in this country is higher than all illeagal drugs combined? look it up on drug war statistics on the net.
Smoking is right up there also, but admittinly it will probably kill you in 40yrs. rather than 3. And small amounts of exposure is minimal,especially outside.
I don't want any of you non-smokers around the campfire roasting marshmellows for smore's, campfires are pretty smokey these days.:drevil:
David S.
Member
My point in bringing up alcohol wasn't to compare the merits and problems of alcohol vs. smoking. My point was simply that since the parks are private property, Disney has the right to decide if people will be allowed to smoke and/or drink on their property. Just as my private property is a smoke-free zone!
So the achohol example was merely to illustrate an instance where just because something is legal as far as the law is concerned, Disney does not have to allow it in their parks, if they choose not to.
So the achohol example was merely to illustrate an instance where just because something is legal as far as the law is concerned, Disney does not have to allow it in their parks, if they choose not to.
JML42691
Active Member
I completely feel that there should be smoking areas and that 80% are appropriately placed, I do feel that there are several that are not secluded well enough, the two most prominent ones on my mind are the one on the boardwalk in the MK (Frontierland) which has some heavy foot traffic and the one near the bridge by Everest in MK. Those are both just too close to the main walkway.
The issue that bugged me the most my past trip in regards to smoking were several people who would walk down a busy path smoking making absolutely no effort to stop in a secluded area (yet alone a designated smoking area). I understand that you are a park guest like the rest of us and want to rush over to get somewhere, but please respect the park rules designed for the comfort of other guests and use the smoking areas or don't smoke at all.
The issue that bugged me the most my past trip in regards to smoking were several people who would walk down a busy path smoking making absolutely no effort to stop in a secluded area (yet alone a designated smoking area). I understand that you are a park guest like the rest of us and want to rush over to get somewhere, but please respect the park rules designed for the comfort of other guests and use the smoking areas or don't smoke at all.
Mickey is King
New Member
Your right, I agree, Disney CAN do whatever they choose on their property.
my point w/the alcohol was, it is tolerated by most of the population but those that hate it (not myself), have to put up with the rest of us that drink it in public. And just as dangerous (in different ways) as smoking.
Personally, I'm glad you made your home a non-smoking enviroment, my wife still smokes but just goes out on the deck . The house smells much better.
David S.
Member
Thanfully it's not really an issue. None of my friends who would visit are smokers, and if any of them ever picked up the habit and wanted to smoke, I'd just politely ask them to go outside like your wife does!
I think that the smoking areas are, for the most part, reasonably available throughout the park. If compared to an attraction, there's only one Space Mountain, and one Haunted Mansion, and one Pirates, but there are multiple smoking areas. Asking a guest to walk as far as she would have to in order to go on a favorite ride, or to use the restroom, seems pretty reasonable to me.
On the other hand, if the only designated smoking area was on Tom Sawyer's Island...
On the other hand, if the only designated smoking area was on Tom Sawyer's Island...
draybook
Well-Known Member
I didn't vote because there wasn't an option for "I used to be a smoker and the areas should be secluded to Off Property"!
Seriously, how can people not control themselves for the day and just wait til they're at least back at their cars before they try to catch cancer?
Seriously, how can people not control themselves for the day and just wait til they're at least back at their cars before they try to catch cancer?
parkgoer
Member
I actually would have another option, get rid of smoking and ban it in the parks completely. Other parks, such as the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park have done this successfully and it makes the parks much more enjoyable.
The problem is no one respects the rules enough to only smoke in the smoking area, so an outright ban is the best option in my opinion.
If you are caught smoking, first offense is a warning (CM/Security scans your admission ticket/room key), second offense you are escorted out of the park for the rest of the day you cannot go into any of the parks (if you are caught in the park that day, then a one year ban, if you go during that year, a lifetime ban), third offense is a one year ban from the parks, even if you are on your vacation, fourth offense (after you are allowed back), a lifetime ban.
Aren't you smokers glad I am not in charge?
But again, other major parks (entire day parks) have done this, why not Disney?
Ok, since Disney would never have the guts to do it....how about this:
Comfortable Smoking Booths with automated Double Doors, the inside ones would never open until the outside ones are completely closed. The outside one will never open until the inside ones are completely closed. The ventilation system would be equiped with filters to trap all of the gunk. The booths would be air conditioned and extremely comfortable, with washers that would spray the room when empty down to clean it (everything water proof and non-asorbant of course) . The janitorial staff that smoke would be responsible for deep cleaning at night and periodically cleaning and emptying ash trays and such.
The booths would probably cost around $25,000 each (including proper theming) and could be placed just about anywhere that there is enough room. I thinks this would be a good compromise. If they are comfortable, then smokers will prefer to smoke there. In addition, I would use the same force as above for those not smoking in the smoking booths.
The problem is this is america and disney world isn't prison. If they want to charge $80+ a day for admission, people are going to do what they want. Do you really think disney security is going to kick people out for smoking? they don't even do that for stealing.
What they need to do is actually incorporate more smoking areas. The past few years they have been removing DSA, which in turn leads people to smoke where ever they want because they either, can't find the smoking area, aren't going that direction, or don't want to wait.
...and we haven't yet discussed the quickly growing popularity of smokeless cigarettes, known as electronic cigarettes, e-cigs, personal vaporizers, etc.
These devices are designated as "smoke anywhere" because there is no combustion and thus - literally - no smoke. The exhaled water vapor gives an appearance similar to smoke, but is not much different from from what it looks like when you exhale on a cold winter day, or the "smoke" effects used in a large number of WDW attractions. The appearance of the devices sometimes look like cigs, but oftentimes resemble a more modern, elegant design, with LED light at the tip indicating that it's not a real cigarette (glowing green or blue, for example).
I have not yet seen anybody using them at WDW, but they are continuing to grow in popularity and I'm sure that we will start seeing them used more often, including at WDW.
These devices are designated as "smoke anywhere" because there is no combustion and thus - literally - no smoke. The exhaled water vapor gives an appearance similar to smoke, but is not much different from from what it looks like when you exhale on a cold winter day, or the "smoke" effects used in a large number of WDW attractions. The appearance of the devices sometimes look like cigs, but oftentimes resemble a more modern, elegant design, with LED light at the tip indicating that it's not a real cigarette (glowing green or blue, for example).
I have not yet seen anybody using them at WDW, but they are continuing to grow in popularity and I'm sure that we will start seeing them used more often, including at WDW.
Susan Savia
Well-Known Member
As a non smoker there probably are not enough places, hidden or not for smokers to use. I believe MK is the only park we have encountered smoke from smokers.