deleted

[TwilightZone]

I have to ask, are you saying BIG THUNDER MOUNTAIN and SPACE MOUNTAIN were from a movie or movies or movie franchise or franchises before they were theme park rides because if so I have never heard that before??? I don't believe that is true and if it is please correct me.

They were inspired by fiction, but they weren't based on any popular IPs I am aware of.
A better example would be matterhorn (third man on the mountain) and potc (arguably treasure island).

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

They were inspired by fiction, but they weren't based on any popular IPs I am aware of.
A better example would be matterhorn (third man on the mountain) and potc (arguably treasure island).

I didn't think so either. so his point makes no sense really.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I think that Chapek is becoming the Lex Luthor of the Disney Parks..

 

[justintheharris]

Many fans think that Bob Iger has been terrible for Disney, and I have my fair share of criticism regarding him. But I believe that Iger is actually a good leader for a few reasons. Allow me to explain. Early in his tenure, Iger vowed to get Oswald the Lucky Rabbit back from Universal. He was able to do that, and he felt it was important to do so because it was closure for Walt's loss. Another reason I admire Iger is because he realized that mistakes were made with DCA 1.0. He mandated that the park be overhauled, and we were given the great additions of Cars Land and BVS. He also kept his word when he said that Figment isn't going anywhere. Sure, he may be in jeopardy sometime in the 2020s, but Iger will be gone by then. And last but not least, he opened the beautiful Shanghai Disneyland, which has many amazing attractions. Shanghai is important because it helps to combat the fraud that takes place in China with Disney's properties (Nara Dreamland, counterfeit Mickey merch, etc.) He has made some questionable choices, such as appointing Bob Chapek to head of Parks and Resorts, as well as the unnecessary aquisitions of Marvel and Fox. Arguably his decision to add Galaxy's Edge to Disneyland Park as opposed to DCA or perhaps a future 3rd gate will be disastrous for the Disneyland Resort.

Here is why I think that Chapek would be terrible for Disney if he becomes CEO: the IP mandate. It is common knowledge that Bob Chapek is the one that decided that there needs to be "synergy" across the Disney company, resulting in most new attractions being tied to a movie franchise. He has no regard for theme. Just look at EPCOT. The park is heading in a terrible direction, and there is literally only one person to blame, and that is Bob Chapek. If it weren't for him, the new fireworks show would probably not be a show about Disney songs, and GOTG would not be going in Future World. He has also destroyed much of the work that was put into DCA earlier this decade. Turning Paradise Pier into Pixar Pier was a foolish mistake with no regard to cohesive theme or storytelling. Also, closing Tower of Terror in Cali was uncalled for. If he wanted to bring Marvel to DCA, there is an entire area (Hollywood) that has remained mostly untouched since the park opened. That area would have been the perfect area to place Marvel and start over.

Chapek does not care about Walt Disney or his vision, whereas Iger has tried very hard to do what Walt would have done. Again, he has made mistakes, but his mistakes are not as disastrous as Chapek's. Imagine what Chapek would do if he ran the entire company. Ready for Frozen 5? What about Toy Story 7? Do you want a new park to open during his tenure? If so, you will probably be waiting a while, because it wouldn't be in his budget.

I'm no Disney apologist, and I hope that someday the company will have another "Walt and Roy". Iger is certainly no Walt, but he is a whole lot closer to him than Chapek. Feel free to voice your opinions. I'm curious about what everybody thinks about my points, whether you agree or disagree with me.

Okay you had me in some places but first: Guardians of the Galaxy going into Future World is probably a good thing. Why? It's falling to pieces and nobody cares about it. The two rides in Future World that everybody loved both received downgrades, nobody likes Mission:Space all that much, and look at how dated Spaceship Earth is. IT IS TIME FOR FUTURE WORLD TO TAKE A NEW APPROACH. EPCOT IS SUFFERING AND NEEDS A SHAKE UP. I certainly welcome Guardians of the Galaxy into Future World. I trust that Disney will spin this in a way that makes sense (similar to the conservationist angle of Pandora). You know why all these festivals exist in EPCOT? Disney needs to invent a new festival at EPCOT every three seconds because it's the only reason people keep returning to the park. With that in mind, they need to have serious new additions to the park. Ratatouille and Guardians of the Galaxy are just the start. More needs to be done. There is ONE IP in Future World: Nemo. One or two more is not going to kill anyone. Next, what's wrong with Pixar Pier?! I think that's actually very tastefully done! It's far more cohesive with California adventure than Car's Land which doesn't even take place in California!!! I forgive Car's Land because it involves Route 66 which has lots of historical significance to the state but I have no real issue with Pixar Pier. It is a California Pier with Pixar characters!!! It makes perfect sense!! I agree that Iger hasn't been all that bad but I think you also need to realize the severe lack of creativity in his administration as everything needs to be a live action remake or a sequel.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I have to ask, are you saying BIG THUNDER MOUNTAIN and SPACE MOUNTAIN were from a movie or movies or movie franchise or franchises before they were theme park rides because if so I have never heard that before??? I don't believe that is true and if it is please correct me.

No, I'm saying theme park attractions can be successful regardless of whether they're based on beloved franchises, mediocre franchises, or no franchise at all. The franchise will help determine the initial hype for a new land or attraction, but once the initial hype is over, attractions need to succeed or fail based on their own quality.

 

[KINGLOUIS1993]

So I'm always a bit at odds with the entire "Walt's vision" thing because imo I really wonder if the modern day consumer actually knows or cares about "Walts supposed vision". I've never read anything on him nor do I have any interest to, and from these boards evidently I get that Walt wanted some place where supposedly all people could vacation at.
Whether we like it or not, kid like things tied to movies, not to say that there can't be a theme . Frozen sells and I know folks like to "Dismiss" kids opinions but moms and dads across the globe are plunking down crap loads of money for their little girls to look like a princess from a movie.
So I think going forward any CEO who comes in after Iger is going to not make the cut with old time purist. whether that's good or bad is for the future to decide.

Now I have absolutely no problem with IP. bring it on. I hate "old and stale" and that's what was happening in the parks. could they have put something else instead of GOTG? probably? but I'm happy that at least Guardians is coming and they got rid of the horrible Ellen travesty. (lol I'll get creamed for that.)
Will I miss Illuminations? definitely, it was one of my favorites but if the Ip laced replacement is good, I'll enjoy that also.

hypothetical question: Do you think the kids/youngins today know who walt disney was? or that there was a man behind the parks?

I agree regards to replacing Ellen wit GOTG.

 

[TwilightZone]

One or two more is not going to kill anyone. Next, what's wrong with Pixar Pier?!.

The reason why most dislike pixar pier is because they changed a beautiful land and added early 00's disney decor to it again. Not that I don't like early 00s dca, but there's a reason why they redid the pier to become more beautiful and tasteful in the first place.
Plus incredicoaster.

 

[Inspired Figment]

Okay you had me in some places but first: Guardians of the Galaxy going into Future World is probably a good thing. Why? It's falling to pieces and nobody cares about it. The two rides in Future World that everybody loved both received downgrades, nobody likes Mission:Space all that much, and look at how dated Spaceship Earth is. IT IS TIME FOR FUTURE WORLD TO TAKE A NEW APPROACH. EPCOT IS SUFFERING AND NEEDS A SHAKE UP. I certainly welcome Guardians of the Galaxy into Future World. I trust that Disney will spin this in a way that makes sense (similar to the conservationist angle of Pandora). You know why all these festivals exist in EPCOT? Disney needs to invent a new festival at EPCOT every three seconds because it's the only reason people keep returning to the park. With that in mind, they need to have serious new additions to the park. Ratatouille and Guardians of the Galaxy are just the start. More needs to be done. There is ONE IP in Future World: Nemo. One or two more is not going to kill anyone. Next, what's wrong with Pixar Pier?! I think that's actually very tastefully done! It's far more cohesive with California adventure than Car's Land which doesn't even take place in California!!! I forgive Car's Land because it involves Route 66 which has lots of historical significance to the state but I have no real issue with Pixar Pier. It is a California Pier with Pixar characters!!! It makes perfect sense!! I agree that Iger hasn't been all that bad but I think you also need to realize the severe lack of creativity in his administration as everything needs to be a live action remake or a sequel.

Don’t forget the “Honey, I Shrunk” franchise for the current Journey into Imagination with Figment attraction. Lol! That still boggles my mind entirely. And what’s even more ironic about it, is “Honey” is such a stale/irrelevant film IP that people going on the current ride have absolutely no clue what it’s trying to represent. And that’s keeping out the fact that the name of the attraction is a total lie and that the theme isn’t even consistent. The senses aren’t Imagination, it’s perception. And a tour through a sterile, cold science lab is no “Journey into Imagination” at all. It’s *that* poorly thought out and written. What a mess.. The *only* thing going for it is Figment’s inclusion and *he* himself, is the only reason that ride has stayed, aswell as pushing merchandise sales. So why they haven’t gotten the bright idea that the Honey, I shrunk the Audience inclusion is the problem, and that they should go full-blown Figment (aka: bring back the original idea and concept with Dreamfinder, Figment, the creative process, and the things that inspire your imagination) is beyond me.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

No, I'm saying theme park attractions can be successful regardless of whether they're based on beloved franchises, mediocre franchises, or no franchise at all. The franchise will help determine the initial hype for a new land or attraction, but once the initial hype is over, attractions need to succeed or fail based on their own quality.

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Sue_Vongello]

No, I'm saying theme park attractions can be successful regardless of whether they're based on beloved franchises, mediocre franchises, or no franchise at all. The franchise will help determine the initial hype for a new land or attraction, but once the initial hype is over, attractions need to succeed or fail based on their own quality.

And I agree with all of that. My original point was Iger made a bone headed knee jerk decision without understanding what people actually wanted/cared about AND ... imagine how much better that land could be if it was based on something anyone cared about.

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

I'm starting to think the main stream media and share holders were the only reason Eisner looked so bad, Eisner was more for us and in it for a dream in my opinion.

 

[BrianLo]

Iger was never head of Parks and resorts. The fallacy is that this argument assumes Iger was responsible for everything Pre Chapek and nothing post. He was exactly as responsible both pre and post. Which is to say variably. The IP edict comes from the very top though.

 

[TwilightZone]

I'm starting to think the main stream media and share holders were the only reason Eisner looked so bad, Eisner was more for us and in it for a dream in my opinion.

You weren't around for the early 00s then. Bad enough budget cuts to make some of the worst rides ever made.

 

[THEMEPARKPIONEER]

You weren't around for the early 00s then. Bad enough budget cuts to make some of the worst rides ever made.

Still on budget cuts and taking huge price hikes, I admit Epcot was a disaster but the sponcers had big play in it. At least under him Epcot was still making attractions based on Epcot and not the franchise even if most of this was happening in the World Showcase. DCA was a real stinker.

 

[celluloid]

Even with the 00s bringing the worst budget cuts and desperate moves, we never had tent rentals in tomorrowland and or backstage upcharge shuttles.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Even with the 00s bringing the worst budget cuts and desperate moves, we never had tent rentals in tomorrowland and or backstage upcharge shuttles.

Question? What is wrong with the tent rentals? I mean outside of the fact it's new and purist don't want anything to change? I think it's pretty cool. A family having a reunion could rent then out for a day.
See here's the thing with up charges, they do not effect you unless you CHOOSE to pay for them. Tents are not necessary to have a good vacation at the world so if you don't want one, don't rent one.
Same thing with the firework parties. You can still catch the fireworks for free all over the park.

 

[celluloid]

Question? What is wrong with the tent rentals? I mean outside of the fact it's new and purist don't want anything to change? I think it's pretty cool. A family having a reunion could rent then out for a day.
See here's the thing with up charges, they do not effect you unless you CHOOSE to pay for them. Tents are not necessary to have a good vacation at the world so if you don't want one, don't rent one.
Same thing with the firework parties. You can still catch the fireworks for free all over the park.

Desperation to take away from the value offered from day guests. Not just in physical space but there is zero asthetic given.
And as a business model they do effect the business. You ask a question but already have an opinion. So I am glad you do not see it as desperation as I and others against the brand.

I don't have anything against dessert parties until they take away from what daily operations should be providing for guests.(downing one ferrie for the busiest after fireworks rush is a double slam.
Also, included and free are two.different things. Everybody on property either paid or is a guest who will view synergy and could pay but I see your viewpoint. I disagree with it strongly but I respect it.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Desperation to take away from the value offered from day guests. Not just in physical space but there is zero asthetic given.
And as a business model they do effect the business. You ask a question but already have an opinion. So I am glad you do not see it as desperation as I and others against the brand.

I don't have anything against dessert parties until they take away from what daily operations should be providing for guests.(downing one ferrie for the busiest after fireworks rush is a double slam.
Also, included and free are two.different things. Everybody on property either paid or is a guest who will view synergy and could pay but I see your viewpoint. I disagree with it strongly but I respect it.

I don't really have an opinion as I haven't seen them, that's why I was asking. I just read about them and thought it was a cool idea. I can see people who travel with big parties getting some use out of them.
I still don't understand how it "takes" some thing away from any guest. are they taking up space that use to be used by some thing else? what was removed??

 

[HauntedPirate]

Question? What is wrong with the tent rentals? I mean outside of the fact it's new and purist don't want anything to change? I think it's pretty cool. A family having a reunion could rent then out for a day.
See here's the thing with up charges, they do not effect you unless you CHOOSE to pay for them. Tents are not necessary to have a good vacation at the world so if you don't want one, don't rent one.
Same thing with the firework parties. You can still catch the fireworks for free all over the park.

Yes they do, stop repeating this fallacy. Can I watch HEA from the Tomorrowland Terrace like I was once able to for free? No. Can I watch RoE from anywhere I want around World Showcase Lagoon? No. Why? Because of upcharge events. They take away space that used to be available to everyone.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Yes they do, stop repeating this fallacy. Can I watch HEA from the Tomorrowland Terrace like I was once able to for free? No. Can I watch RoE from anywhere I want around World Showcase Lagoon? No. Why? Because of upcharge events. They take away space that used to be available to everyone.

Can you still see HEA?? 7

Can you still see illuminations??

So basically you can't stand where you want, when you want anymore?

So does your park ticket entitle you to stand any where you want?