Dark Times?

[musketeer]

The easiest way to explain it is that regardless of Fastpass or no Fastpass, the same amount of people are going to be in the park. And at any given time ... assuming standard time allotments for eating, shopping, and non-attraction based entertainment watching (parades) ... those people are going to be in-line somewhere in the park, whether they are holding a Fastpass to some other attraction or not. So while you have a shorter line to experience the Fastpass attraction (with the Fastpass), you now have a longer line to experience every other attraction in the park (including the standby lines on all Fastpass attractions). People don't just get a Fastpass and sit on a bench for two hours until it becomes usable - they get on line somewhere else in the park. That line is now longer. Over the course of a typical day, the time spent waiting in line and the amount of attractions experienced is going to even out; most people just don't realize it.

I understand all of this, however I don't believe it is an even exchange. If 100 people get a fastpass, and all 100 of them go directly to other rides 100% of the time, then I could see an argument. But I don't believe that is the case.

And even still, for arguements sake, all 100 of those people DO ride other rides, other rides that are typically little or no wait. So now, instead of waiting 0 minutes to ride the Tomorrowland Transit Authority, I have to wait 2 minutes, or that instead of the theater for <pick any show> is now 95% full instead of 90% full. Well, I'm ok with that. Waiting short amounts of time, many times, seems better than waiting LONG amounts of time for a few rides.


If there are 10 rides, and those 10 rides can take 100 riders per hour, and the park is open for 10 hours, then the park can handle 1000 riders per hour, and can handle 10,000 riders per day.

So how does that change if there is or isn't fastpass.

 

[Krack]

So how does that change if there is or isn't fastpass.

It doesn't. Ride capacity is ride capacity. As I stated earlier, unless you only ride Fastpass attractions (only using Fastpass to ride) and/or no wait attractions, Fastpass has a negligible effect on how many attractions you can visit in a day. All things being equal, if you could ride 10 rides in a day with the Fastpass system, you would be able to ride the same 10 rides on the same day without the Fastpass system. It only feels like you're saving time (which is what it's designed to do).

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Utter bollocks.

 

[stlbobby]

It doesn't. Ride capacity is ride capacity. As I stated earlier, unless you only ride Fastpass attractions (only using Fastpass to ride) and/or no wait attractions, Fastpass has a negligible effect on how many attractions you can visit in a day. All things being equal, if you could ride 10 rides in a day with the Fastpass system, you would be able to ride the same 10 rides on the same day without the Fastpass system. It only feels like you're saving time (which is what it's designed to do).

I kind of see your point, but if I only ride Faspass attractions with a Fastpass and use the interim to ride no wait attractions, eat, shop, and enjoy characters and street players then I am saving time right?

At the very least I am sitting part of the time I would be standing in queue.

 

[Krack]

I kind of see your point, but if I only ride Faspass attractions with a Fastpass and use the interim to ride no wait attractions, eat, shop, and enjoy characters and street players then I am saving time right?

At the very least I am sitting part of the time I would be standing in queue.

Yes. If you only ride Fastpass attractions (utilizing a Fastpass everytime) and/or no wait attractions, then the Fastpass system definitely saves you time, as opposed to a park with no Fastpass.

As soon as you start spending any time in attraction lines, you are now receiving no benefit from Fastpass; this is because these lines are now longer than they would have been in a park with no Fastpass. They have to be longer because people occupy space and if you are holding a Fastpass for Attraction X, you will be in a line somewhere else in the park for Attraction Y. People don't magically disappear because they are holding a Fastpass and the only places they can go that aren't impeding the progress of another guest is a no-wait attraction, parade or a park bench. This assumes that a particular park guest's shopping and eating patterns will stay relatively constant.

 

[stlbobby]

Yes. If you only ride Fastpass attractions (utilizing a Fastpass everytime) and/or no wait attractions, then the Fastpass system definitely saves you time, as opposed to a park with no Fastpass.

As soon as you start spending any time in attraction lines, you are now receiving no benefit from Fastpass; this is because these lines are now longer than they would have been in a park with no Fastpass. They have to be longer because people occupy space and if you are holding a Fastpass for Attraction X, you will be in a line somewhere else in the park for Attraction Y. People don't magically disappear because they are holding a Fastpass and the only places they can go that aren't impeding the progress of another guest is a no-wait attraction, parade or a park bench. This assumes that a particular park guest's shopping and eating patterns will stay relatively constant.

I rarely do a FP attraction without a FP unless the line is 10 minutes or less. I don't see any reason to wait in a line if a FP is available.

 

[Krack]

I rarely do a FP attraction without a FP unless the line is 10 minutes or less. I don't see any reason to wait in a line if a FP is available.

Well, as long as you don't ever go on any rides that have lines, you are benefiting from the Fastpass system.

 

[WondersOfLife]

top 10 worst rides at WDW

1. Stitch’s Great Escape: Based on a mediocre animated movie, Lilo & Stitch, Stitch’s Great Escape in Tomorrowland tops the list since it will bore anyone over the age of 5 and, worst of all, it actually replaced a popular attraction, ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter!

2. Sounds Dangerous: This extremely dull Disney-MGM Studios show highlights “wacky audio illusions” and stars third-tier comedian Drew Carey. Skip it at all costs unless you are in desperate need of some air conditioning to beat the heat.

3. Wildlife Express Train: Don’t worry, you won’t see much wildlife during your five-minute journey to Rafiki’s Planet Watch at Disney’s Animal Kingdom. However, you’ll see a few uninteresting warehouse-type buildings along the way (apparently that’s where they house the animals at night or something).

4. Donald’s Boat: Near the back of Mickey’s Toontown Fair lies this big empty boat. Kids will run into it with great expectations and find absolutely nothing to do here. Occasionally, a little water play area is in operation in front of the boat, the S.S. Miss Daisy.

5. The Circle of Life: Characters from Disney’s The Lion King appear in this “amazing ecological adventure” at Epcot. A real snoozer!

6. Swiss Family Treehouse: A massive concrete tree with polyethylene leaves, the 60-foot-tall Swiss Family Treehouse at Adventureland offers a spectacular view from the top. However, you have to climb a total of 116 steps through uninvolving exhibits to get there.

7. Journey into Imagination with Figment: The original Journey into Imagination, which made its debut at Epcot in 1983, was by far the best incarnation but Disney has totally ruined the ride by tinkering with it so much over the years.

8. TriceraTop Spin: Basically a rip-off of Dumbo the Flying Elephant, TriceraTop Spin at Disney’s Animal Kingdom gives you the opportunity of waiting in line for 40 minutes to an hour in order to take a ride for 1 ½ minutes aboard a spinning dinosaur-shaped vehicle.

9. Astro Orbiter: Another spinning rip-off of Dumbo means another extremely long wait for a short, dull ride. Been there, done that (however, you do get a good view of Tomorrowland from high above).

10. Tomorrowland Indy Speedway: Yes, it’s one of the original attractions at Disney’s Magic Kingdom (originally known as Grand Prix Raceway). However, you’ll have more fun at your local go-cart track without having to deal with ridiculously long lines, annoying gas fumes and beaten-up race cars that travel at speeds up to a whopping 7.5 miles per hour along a guided track!

 

[Jimmy Thick]

top 10 worst rides at WDW

1. Stitch’s Great Escape: Based on a mediocre animated movie, Lilo & Stitch, Stitch’s Great Escape in Tomorrowland tops the list since it will bore anyone over the age of 5 and, worst of all, it actually replaced a popular attraction, ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter!

2. Sounds Dangerous: This extremely dull Disney-MGM Studios show highlights “wacky audio illusions” and stars third-tier comedian Drew Carey. Skip it at all costs unless you are in desperate need of some air conditioning to beat the heat.

3. Wildlife Express Train: Don’t worry, you won’t see much wildlife during your five-minute journey to Rafiki’s Planet Watch at Disney’s Animal Kingdom. However, you’ll see a few uninteresting warehouse-type buildings along the way (apparently that’s where they house the animals at night or something).

4. Donald’s Boat: Near the back of Mickey’s Toontown Fair lies this big empty boat. Kids will run into it with great expectations and find absolutely nothing to do here. Occasionally, a little water play area is in operation in front of the boat, the S.S. Miss Daisy.

5. The Circle of Life: Characters from Disney’s The Lion King appear in this “amazing ecological adventure” at Epcot. A real snoozer!

6. Swiss Family Treehouse: A massive concrete tree with polyethylene leaves, the 60-foot-tall Swiss Family Treehouse at Adventureland offers a spectacular view from the top. However, you have to climb a total of 116 steps through uninvolving exhibits to get there.

7. Journey into Imagination with Figment: The original Journey into Imagination, which made its debut at Epcot in 1983, was by far the best incarnation but Disney has totally ruined the ride by tinkering with it so much over the years.

8. TriceraTop Spin: Basically a rip-off of Dumbo the Flying Elephant, TriceraTop Spin at Disney’s Animal Kingdom gives you the opportunity of waiting in line for 40 minutes to an hour in order to take a ride for 1 ½ minutes aboard a spinning dinosaur-shaped vehicle.

9. Astro Orbiter: Another spinning rip-off of Dumbo means another extremely long wait for a short, dull ride. Been there, done that (however, you do get a good view of Tomorrowland from high above).

10. Tomorrowland Indy Speedway: Yes, it’s one of the original attractions at Disney’s Magic Kingdom (originally known as Grand Prix Raceway). However, you’ll have more fun at your local go-cart track without having to deal with ridiculously long lines, annoying gas fumes and beaten-up race cars that travel at speeds up to a whopping 7.5 miles per hour along a guided track!

Almost as good as a Jimmy Thick post.



Jimmy Thick- Bravo!

 

[Dragonrider1227]

Here's a dark side of disney: making stupid duplicates of Dumbo's ride... I would really appreciate disney if they keep Dumbo in Fantasyland. Not Animal kingdom, and not adventure land, just fantasyland...

Does that mean they'll have to take out Astro Oribitor? But... but... IT'S CLASSIC!!
I haven't been here a while but I see not much has changed. People are still whining no matter what Disney does :lookaroun

 

[pixiedust629]

I agree. Back in the glory days of WDW the Walt Disney corporation was pumping out amazing movies. The closest thing we have had to 'amazing' in years is Princess and the Frog and ...come on :snore:. I think before WDW can go back to what it was they need to remember where they came from.

We can hope, wait, and hope some more than John Lasseter as CCO can put this company back in line-- to remembering where it came from and what its original purpose was. Sure, Disney is a business. But it was a vision first and foremost. A creative experiment that would "never be finished." No one wants to take risks anymore, not the way that Walt would have.

top 10 worst rides at WDW
7. Journey into Imagination with Figment: The original Journey into Imagination, which made its debut at Epcot in 1983, was by far the best incarnation but Disney has totally ruined the ride by tinkering with it so much over the years.

I seem to be rather familiar with another attraction that has seen too much tinkering over the years... and no longer resembles the original attraction that was in it's place either...

 

[DisneyNut2007]

I haven't been here a while but I see not much has changed. People are still whining no matter what Disney does :lookaroun

Nice to have you back, DragonRider. Great to have some real common sense injected into this highly-controversial forum once again.

Everyone around here does need to stop their whining at once and quit demonizing the company and stop accusing them of being stupid or losing understand of what Walt wanted.

Just enjoy Disney for what it is, folks! After all, you live only once.

 

[WondersOfLife]

YAY! TWO versions of dumbo in fantasyland! ._.

Does that mean they'll have to take out Astro Oribitor? But... but... IT'S CLASSIC!!
I haven't been here a while but I see not much has changed. People are still whining no matter what Disney does :lookaroun

Mr. dragon is right! Keep Astro Orbitor and replace dumbo the flying elephant with a new dumbo dark ride! :king: oh wait, their making TWO Dumbo rides for the fantasyland update? herm, oh well. :hammer:

 

[musketeer]

5. The Circle of Life: Characters from Disney’s The Lion King appear in this “amazing ecological adventure” at Epcot. A real snoozer!

I actually really like this movie. I think there is something to be learned from it.

I do find it ironic though that you walk right across the park and hear Bill Nye and Ellen talking about how great dams are.

 

[HMF]

Well ... imo, it's actually been 15 years of steady decline, beginning with EPCOT Center changing its name. It's been mostly downhill since the Tower of Terror opened in 1994. Sadly, you left out closing the submarines, Mr. Toad, Horizons, World of Motion, Wonders of Life, Diamond Horseshoe, Kitchen Kabaret, Alien Encounter, wrecking the Tiki Room, and most of Main Street.

Those were relatively minor losses.

 

[k.hunter30]

Those were relatively minor losses.

I'll give you Alien Encounter, but really...?
Mr. Toad, Main Street, the Tiki Room change and Diamond Horshoe? While I was never a huge fan of the latter, I still can admit that these four changes were especially "major" to the park.

 

[HMF]

I'll give you Alien Encounter, but really...?
Mr. Toad, Main Street, the Tiki Room change and Diamond Horshoe? While I was never a huge fan of the latter, I still can admit that these four changes were especially "major" to the park.

Relatively' The more recent changes have been much worse in my opinion.

 

[Lord Pheonix]

im sure someone out there who knows anything about 80s rock knows this but, i doubt a renaming of dinosaur is going to happen. i seriously doubt that one of the biggest 80s rock bands, Megadeth, would want their song title as a ride name in disney, not for free anyway. and whats the big deal over a name? its just a name, its the content of the building that matters.

fixing the various items is of course a good idea, but who whould be happy if they closed down ee for a few weeks to do it? since thts exactly what they would have to do since they would need the lights on and its in plain view of the ride track.

personally, the only gripe i have with disney is these stupid overlays on the monorails. reminecent of nyc city bus ads, they should leave them alone. the first thing you usually see when getting near the mk is the monorail, which is iconic to most kids and adults.

 

[Krack]

i seriously doubt that one of the biggest 80s rock bands, Megadeth, would want their song title as a ride name in disney, not for free anyway. and whats the big deal over a name? its just a name, its the content of the building that matters.

You realize that was the original name of the attraction, right?

fixing the various items is of course a good idea, but who whould be happy if they closed down ee for a few weeks to do it?

I would. Knowing WDI, it would probably take months (not weeks), though.

 

[George]

im sure someone out there who knows anything about 80s rock knows this but, i doubt a renaming of dinosaur is going to happen. i seriously doubt that one of the biggest 80s rock bands, Megadeth, would want their song title as a ride name in disney, not for free anyway. and whats the big deal over a name? its just a name, its the content of the building that matters.

As a Megadeth and Disney fan, I never saw this as much of an issue. The Megadeth album was released in 92, whereas I believe the ride debuted in 98 when the park opened. I'm never sure about legal matters but since one is a theme park ride and the other is an album title (and the title of a song found on the album) I never thought this was an issue. I think they could pipe the lady with the weird accent in the song throughout the DAK, "One hour from now another species of lifeform will disappear forever (I didn't check the intrawebz to see if I nailed the quote exactly)." You know, now that I think about it, she kind of sounds like the "and it rained, and rained, and rained, the deluge (also didn't check)" narrator from TLS.