Daredevil vs Parents Television Council

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Per this article: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/parent-group-accuses-daredevil-forever-195100244.html it seems that Disney is getting push back from some "parents" with regards to adding Daredevil and other Marvel Television properties to it's streaming platform due to it's violent "non-Disney" nature.

An excerpt:
“It seems wildly ‘off-brand’ for Disney Plus to add TV-MA and R-rated programming to this platform, ostensibly to increase subscription revenue. So what comes next, adding live striptease performances in Fantasyland at Disney World?”

What are your thoughts?
Aaaand Go!

 

[King Panda 77]

 

[jasminethecat]

I think that some people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions or those of their children. You can easily change the allowed content ratings of titles on Disney+ for each user profile. Complaining that your children are seeing violent content NOW is ridiculous when all marvel movies, star wars movies and other disney films like Pirates of the Carribbean feature fighting, making violent threats, some swearing and the actual killing of people.

Oh now we have a blind lawyer punching people and suddenly it's too violent? I think these people are just prejudiced against the blind, probably sympathizers of the kingpin.

 

[Disney Irish]

Per this article: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/parent-group-accuses-daredevil-forever-195100244.html it seems that Disney is getting push back from some "parents" with regards to adding Daredevil and other Marvel Television properties to it's streaming platform due to it's violent "non-Disney" nature.

An excerpt:
“It seems wildly ‘off-brand’ for Disney Plus to add TV-MA and R-rated programming to this platform, ostensibly to increase subscription revenue. So what comes next, adding live striptease performances in Fantasyland at Disney World?”

What are your thoughts?
Aaaand Go!

I guess that group doesn't know Disney's own history, do the names Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, and Miramax not mean anything to them....

Disney has release many violent films before under many different studio names, for example Pulp Fiction is technically a Disney movie.

Also we live in a different world, what was once unacceptable is now acceptable by the masses.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think that some people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions or those of their children. You can easily change the allowed content ratings of titles on Disney+ for each user profile. Complaining that your children are seeing violent content NOW is ridiculous when all marvel movies, star wars movies and other disney films like Pirates of the Carribbean feature fighting, making violent threats, some swearing and the actual killing of people.

Oh now we have a blind lawyer punching people and suddenly it's too violent? I think these people are just prejudiced against the blind, probably sympathizers of the kingpin.

Jessica Jones will immediately be the most graphic sexual content on Disney+.

I guess that group doesn't know Disney's own history, do the names Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, and Miramax not mean anything to them....

Disney has release many violent films before under many different studio names, for example Pulp Fiction is technically a Disney movie.

Also we live in a different world, what was once unacceptable is now acceptable by the masses.

The Walt Disney Company and the Disney brand are two different things. Nobody has a problem with this type of content on Hulu, because Hulu isn't branded Disney.

 

[Disney Irish]

Jessica Jones will immediately be the most graphic sexual content on Disney+.


The Walt Disney Company and the Disney brand are two different things. Nobody has a problem with this type of content on Hulu, because Hulu isn't branded Disney.

And outside the US no one has an issue with any of it as you have plenty of non-Disney content on the Disney branded D+. Heck you have straight nudity displayed in all its glory in the newly released Pam and Tommy, advertised as a D+ show outside the US.

Its only here in the US that some seem to think that the Disney brand is still this 1950s company that must remain pure as the driven snow.

 

[G00fyDad]

Didn't Dee Snyder take care of these idiots back in the 80's?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Its only here in the US that some seem to think that the Disney brand is still this 1950s company that must remain pure as the driven snow.

It's not a purity issue, it's a marketing issue.

In the UK, Disney+ is sold as a Family and General Entertainment product. In the United States, Disney+ is sold as a Family product and Hulu is sold as a General Entertainment product.

If I order a car and you bring me a motorcycle, I'm not going to be happy about it. It's not because I have any problem with motorcycles, it's because it's not what I asked for.

 

[jasminethecat]

Jessica Jones will immediately be the most graphic sexual content on Disney+.


The Walt Disney Company and the Disney brand are two different things. Nobody has a problem with this type of content on Hulu, because Hulu isn't branded Disney.

What is your point, Cap? Disney is adding options to restrict what user profiles can access based on ratings. Is that not enough?

Are you ok with young children seeing women and children being hung as pirates, or with iron man shooting 5 terrorists in the head simultaneously while they hold civilians at gunpoint? All of the existing content on Disney+ is perfectly ok for any age, but this is where we draw the line? I feel like that slippery slope has been gone for a while.

Back to my original point, parents should know what their kids are watching, and limit it when necessary.

It's not a purity issue, it's a marketing issue.

In the UK, Disney+ is sold as a Family and General Entertainment product. In the United States, Disney+ is sold as a Family product and Hulu is sold as a General Entertainment product.

If I order a car and you bring me a motorcycle, I'm not going to be happy about it. It's not because I have any problem with motorcycles, it's because it's not what I asked for.

No, you asked for a car and you got a car that can play explicit songs over the radio. You thought GM was a wholesome company but they partnered with Sirius Radio and now they play that dirty rap music on air with all those dirty dirty words, and you don't like it.

 

[King Panda 77]

It's not a purity issue, it's a marketing issue.

In the UK, Disney+ is sold as a Family and General Entertainment product. In the United States, Disney+ is sold as a Family product and Hulu is sold as a General Entertainment product.

If I order a car and you bring me a motorcycle, I'm not going to be happy about it. It's not because I have any problem with motorcycles, it's because it's not what I asked for.

Disney plus is a family site in the UK. It has a separate designated section that you have to either set up parental controls it acknowledge that shows on this part of the site are 18+ and may not be appropriate for all viewers.

 

[Californian Elitist]

These parents should simply make it so their kids can’t access the content. It’s not hard.

 

[doctornick]

The Walt Disney Company and the Disney brand are two different things. Nobody has a problem with this type of content on Hulu, because Hulu isn't branded Disney.

This is the issue of course. "Disney" (the brand) means something to the general masses and "Disney+" by using that branding carries the burdens of expectations with it.

Disney the company has done a bunch of non-kid friendly stuff over the years OTOH. If the main company were named (say) ABC Corp and the streaming service was "ABC+" with Disney as one of the sub-sections on the service (which it is with one of the big headings) then no one would have a problem with the service having more general interest and non-child appropriate content. The issue comes from the fact that once you slap the "Disney" name on something it often has a certain reputation and expectations with it to many people.

TWDC wants to have its cake and eat it too by having an extremely well know brand with loyalists - which has helped drive the subscription numbers rapidly - while also trying to expand in a way that does not impact that brand. It's a very tough road to walk.

Edit: don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with this change to the service, but I fully understand why people are concerned about it. I do think that Disney should have given more forewarning to make it less of a shift. They should have added more tiered parental controls earlier IMHO so people would be more accustomed to it and where the "graphic" stuff was relatively more tame.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's not a purity issue, it's a marketing issue.

In the UK, Disney+ is sold as a Family and General Entertainment product. In the United States, Disney+ is sold as a Family product and Hulu is sold as a General Entertainment product.

Please show me where in the US D+ is marketed as purely a "Family Product".

The marketing all shows the slogan "All your favorites and more" with all the different brands including Marvel listed. Doesn't specifically state "Family Friendly Only".

Marvel has lots of content that some would consider not a "Family Product", including these shows.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is the issue of course. "Disney" (the brand) means something to the general masses and "Disney+" by using that brands carried the burdens of expectations with it.

Disney the company has done a bunch of non-kid friendly stuff over the years OTOH. If the main company were named (say) ABC Corp and the streaming service was "ABC+" with Disney as one of the sub-brands on the service (which it is with one of the big headings) then no one would have a problem with the service having more general interest and non-child appropriate content.

TWDC wants to have its cake and eat it too by having an extremely well know brand with loyalists - which has helped drive the subscription numbers rapidly - while also trying to expand in a way that does not impact that brand. It's a very tough road to walk.

Edit: don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with this change to the service, but I fully understand why people are concerned about it. I do think that Disney should have given more forewarning to make it less of a shift. They should have added more tiered parental controls earlier IMHO so people would be more accustomed to it and where the "graphic" stuff was relatively more tame.

Here is the problem with that, D+ isn't just "Disney" and has never been marketed as such. It has always been marketed as the "Disney" brand plus other brands such as Marvel, Star Wars, etc.

The assumption by some, including some posters here, is that D+ would be limited to only content that would be similar to the "Disney" brand. And well now its become known, even though some of us figure it out a long time ago, was that was an incorrect assumption.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ellie wouldn’t recommend it:

 

[Dead2009]

It's almost as if parental controls arent a thing. If theyre THAT worried about the content, put the lock on it so the kids cant watch it. It's THAT simple.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It's almost as if parental controls arent a thing. If theyre THAT worried about the content, put the lock on it so the kids cant watch it. It's THAT simple.

The problem with the parental controls is that they were binary until very recently. Each profile was either Kids or Adults, there was no nuance within that binary. If you wanted to give kids access to Aladdin, they would need an Adult profile.

 

[erasure fan1]

Here is the problem with that, D+ isn't just "Disney" and has never been marketed as such. It has always been marketed as the "Disney" brand plus other brands such as Marvel, Star Wars, etc.

I'll start with I have no problem with them putting the Netflix shows on the service. But I do see why some feel it doesn't belong on D+. With the name Disney+, there is the perception of Disney. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but in the United States, if you brand something Disney, there's an expectation level of content. And no matter how they try to make it about everything, Disney is the number one billing.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'll start with I have no problem with them putting the Netflix shows on the service. But I do see why some feel it doesn't belong on D+. With the name Disney+, there is the perception of Disney. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but in the United States, if you brand something Disney, there's an expectation level of content. And no matter how they try to make it about everything, Disney is the number one billing.

To be clear, I can see why some expected D+ to always be the same sanitized family friendly content that the "Disney" brand has been known for. But what I'm saying however is that the way D+ was marketed that expectation shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was a bad assumption on their part. D+ has always been marketed as being more than just the normal "Disney" brand. And so some of us rightful predicted back in 2019 shortly after launch that eventually D+ would add parental controls and add more of the adult content into D+.

My point is that the writing on the wall has been there since the beginning and shouldn't have been much of a surprise if you took D+ marketing at face value.

 

[jasminethecat]

The problem with the parental controls is that they were binary until very recently. Each profile was either Kids or Adults, there was no nuance within that binary. If you wanted to give kids access to Aladdin, they would need an Adult profile.

So you're saying that it's not a problem anymore, right? That adults can easily limit what their kids can see, and if they have any problems with it maybe they should be more invested in what their own children watch?