News D23 Expo 2022

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
This was forever ago now, but during that time, much of 192/Kissimmee which made big money off of Disney started waning. Of course, with Typhoon Lagoon opening, Water Mania took a hit. With Disney/MGM Studios opening, Disney became a week long trip. With Downtown Disney/Pleasure Island, hot spots on I-drive and Church Street downtown also began to see declines.
Disney built the bubble. Guests couldn’t resist. I know many of my friend’s vacations changed from a day or two at Disney and the beach or things off 192 to nothing but a Disney vacation in the 90’s.
Part of the reason Kissimmee died was due to its success, the easy money built a bunch of garbage which fell apart and led to an influx of drugs which tore through the community. The wreckage was left behind and has taken many years for renewed interest in development to come back. I can't link it any stronger than that to Disney's fortunes.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
For better or worse, these days the WS pavilions essentially represent the greatest region that encompasses its nominal country and no other pavilion’s country. Norway effectively serves as the Scandinavian pavilion, Morocco as the Middle Eastern pavilion, etc. If they add Brazil, it would undoubtedly serve as the South American pavilion.

Norway really serves as the Arendelle pavilion more than anything else at this point.
 

Smiley/OCD

Well-Known Member
I decided to look at past D23’s… for science.

Not only was this parks panel underwhelming on content, I couldn’t stop thinking how unprofessional 2022’s was.

Let’s look at 2015:



It was heavy on content: two Galaxy’s Edges, Toy Story Land, Pandora details, Animal Kingdom’s extended park hours changes, Frozen: Ever After details, and international park details for the Beauty and the Beast and Frozen lands in Tokyo, Iron Man Experience in Hong Kong, and sending it off with Shanghai's incoming opening. It did all of that in less time while feeling deliberate in its structure.

Each resort had something announced or an elaboration on previously announced projects. It also had history bits of the respective resorts (like the Electrical Parade) and details on the parks currently. It felt buttery smooth with great transitions and segways and that’s even with Chapek being a pretty pathetic speaker. Actually, what probably helped with that is you had people that seemed genuinely interested in the topics presented coupled with a better ‘video PowerPoint’ presentation. This D23 seemed to not understand what it was.

I get the panel is now Parks, experiences, and Products, but the presentation was still almost only about the parks (plus a cruise ship), so I don’t think it had any impact.

Having a bunch of people singing is not why people are there and the length of time they spent on it just came across as cringey for anyone over 5. Patf didn’t actually have much on the way of substance for the massive amount of time dedicated to it. The same goes for the cringe-factor of the character appearances which otherwise are really cool (Mando and massive Hulk?? Hell yeah!). They would’ve been totally fine if they were supporting aspects to a topic instead of a painfully staged main attraction. Also, while Chapek briefly tried to justify Frozen: Ever After back in 2015’s, every other addition actually did fit (Pandora extremely so) without any fake justification needed, and the way IP was handled in the presentation didn’t seem forced like 2022’s.

Contrast that with, a jumbled announcement for the Avengers ride that should have felt like big news, Fantasmic! returning to WDW & an EPCOT overhaul update being completely ignored. I mean, I’m surprised they didn’t even include info on Cosmic Rewind’s tech or something even as part of a longer EPCOT segment. There also wasn’t any care for the craftsmanship of the new additions or theme park history whatsoever. It was literally ‘look there’s an IP we know you like’ instead of ‘here’s an IP-inspired project you’re going to love’.

What says it all is introducing blue-sky concepts warning people not to freak out. Actually, that entire bit seemed like a mess which was a perfect send-off for it.

Also, seeing Joe Rhode describe Animal Kingdom is unreal. I’m convinced he’s a genius. His passion and the way he describes the purpose for design decisions at Animal Kingdom isn’t just marketing fluff; it’s sincere language that is an accurate descriptor for brilliant design harmony. Losing him and others has been a devastating blow for Imagineering to the chagrin of the artform while helping Universal.

So what I’m saying is, Disney now treats their fans like little kids as if their product is only for that category, and they clearly have a grave misunderstanding of why people like the parks or even the various aspects of the company. The lack of new massive lands wasn’t even the main issue with this presentation. It was dead on arrival before it started.

That is what I've been saying all along...out of all the imagineers that have either left the company, retired or passed away, Joe was one of the most creative and passionate of the group. I also think that as soon as PatF opens, Tony Baxter will either retire or leave for sunnier shores. If I ran Disney? As soon as I had this motley group of executives "termed and trespassed” off property, no matter what it cost me, Joe would be back on staff as the leader of the imagineering team and then bring in a money genius to work in tandem to bring back creative excellence...sort of a NON POLITICAL MDGA....Make Disney Great Again. Chappy has (and is continuing ) to do plenty of stupid things to fans, but letting Joe Rhode walk was one of the dumbest.
 
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HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Slightly off topic but what happened to the World Showcase expansion (Brazil or South America) that had been on tap?? I mean I know what happened - but as close as that was to bring green lit- and it doesn’t even get mentioned… would have been a perfect place to cram Encanto IP into

This sums it up, along with the Play pavilion, apparently:

 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
I really think you are discounting the immersion of a contiguous property that is really its own "world." Universal will never be able to mimic the feeling of driving under the Walt Disney World arches that border the Disney property. That's the curse of having two separated plots of property.

Also, I haven't seen any evidence that gives me confidence that the bus ride from Universal back and forth will be anything but a standard experience. Will they be able to keep guests who are staying at their new high-end, in-park hotel at EU happy with a bus ride to IOA or Studios? Time will tell, I suppose, but that's a tough ask. Or do they expect those folks to split their time between two different luxury resorts during their vacation?
Alls it takes is video screens just like Disney Express.
 

mysto

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Slightly off topic but what happened to the World Showcase expansion (Brazil or South America) that had been on tap?? I mean I know what happened - but as close as that was to bring green lit- and it doesn’t even get mentioned… would have been a perfect place to cram Encanto IP into
Adding a 13th drink station to the drink around the world circuit would cost hundreds of lives per year. So they moved it to MK.
 

CentralFLlife

Well-Known Member
Adding a 13th drink station to the drink around the world circuit would cost hundreds of lives per year. So they moved it to MK.
You joke, but that is likely a legitimate concern of theirs if they add another pavilion. Not deaths, but an increase in severely intoxicated people.

Will be an easy solution for them though. They’re just going to make the drinks smaller and cost more!
 

yensidtlaw1969

Well-Known Member
Nintendo is the X factor in all this. It alone could pull a day from Disney. My son, age 13, said he would rather do EU to see Nintendo rather than animal kingdom or the studios. I can't believe he's the only one.
On a related note, has there been any discussion about whether the Mario Kart ride is being redesigned at all for Orlando? The concensus around the Japan iteration seems to be that they missed the mark on what people actually want from a MarioKart ride . . .
 

Lilofan

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We go to pointe orlando all the time with friends to Capital Grill.. Aside from going to Taverna Opa it is fairly dead.. These places are going to be very popular!!
Pointe Orlando is a failed concept. Owners thought they could capitalize on the thousands of business travelers that stayed on I-Drive . Now business travel is picking up but nowhere near pre Covid. Last time I visited Pointe Orlando day and night it was a ghost town and staff were just standing around seeming bored.
 

erasure fan1

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On a related note, has there been any discussion about whether the Mario Kart ride is being redesigned at all for Orlando? The concensus around the Japan iteration seems to be that they missed the mark on what people actually want from a MarioKart ride . . .
Not that I have heard of. The ride does look fairly meh, but it seems like it was targeting a younger audience.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member

What do you think about this guy? Made some good points. Just a little biased but sums things up pretty well, I thought.

He's just a person with a vlog. He'll occasionally get a good tip that he tries to parlay into meaning that he's an insider... he's not. And it's not hard to pass judgement on dumb stuff that everyone agrees is dumb and thus look insightful. He's a member of this forum! And flamed out of here when his lack of insideriness was called into question.

I can't think of any vlogger in which you'll get more inside information and insight than you can find on these forums. Tho, some do a good job showing what's happening in the parks when we're not there, or acting as an aggregator of information like Jack does.
 

Br0ckford

Premium Member
He's just a person with a vlog. He'll occasionally get a good tip that he tries to parlay into meaning that he's an insider... he's not. And it's not hard to pass judgement on dumb stuff that everyone agrees is dumb and thus look insightful. He's a member of this forum! And flamed out of here when his lack of insideriness was called into question.

I can't think of any vlogger in which you'll get more inside information and insight than you can find on these forums. Tho, some do a good job showing what's happening in the parks when we're not there, or acting as an aggregator of information like Jack does.
This was the first time I ever watched him as I was going down the rabbit hole on you tube. Just curious what people thought.
 

Disney Glimpses

Well-Known Member
Maybe @disneyglimpses can answer this. For a big event like D23 why wasn't there any major announcements. For a company making big bucks from Genie+ they sure aren't spending it.
I think a few reasons. In reality, they are just coming out of recovery mode. A lot of planning was paused over the last 2 years. There probably isn't much to announce that's that soon. Also, they have a history of over promising and under delivering, which I think is also happening here.

I do think the next Parks panel in a couple of years will be much better.
 

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