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MagicHappens1971

MagicHappens1971

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DCLcruiser said:
There is plenty of space for a 5th Gate. Will it happen? Probably not.
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I didn’t say there wasn’t enough space. It doesn’t make sense logistically to build a 5th park especially not any time soon. Maybe once all the parks are running at 100% and they’ve expanded and built more capacity to the point where they can’t anymore, than maybe build a 5th park, but that’s probably 20-30 year down the line.
 
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fgmnt

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marni1971 said:
It’s been a solid plan for six years now.
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Yeah, I just can't imagine getting up and hollering over "a plan." Who cares!? There are half a dozen projects that were explicitly announced at a D23 that are no longer in development. Why place any stock into anything until they go vertical on construction?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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CaptainAmerica said:
You're assuming they would build if people stopped coming and they had to draw us back.

I assumed they'd build because people keep coming and they need somewhere to stick all of us.

I think we might both be wrong.
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Perhaps

But the easy one to get…right now…is that there is Zero point to putting one dime into wdw based on their current financial spot.
 
CoasterSnoop

CoasterSnoop

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It's astonishing how bare this presentation was considering the number of postponed (or presumably cancelled now, I suppose) projects from last D23 that we somehow still know nothing about.

And despite that, we devoted a whole section of this professional presentation to spitballing? What is going on?
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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LSLS said:
I still think the most shocking part of this thing was how badly Josh botched just about every major anouncement.
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The only thing I can offer in his defense (because it was absolutely clumsily executed) is that the audience kept cheering at inappropriate times and then not cheering at inappropriate times. The whole cadence of the back-and-forth with the crowd fell completely flat.
 
mightynine

mightynine

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I really do wonder about the future of WDW. You have two whole parks - EPCOT and Animal Kingdom - and a good bit of a third - Magic Kingdom - that were absolutely not designed with vertical integration with IP as their focus, but they are part of a company that now only sees things with that mindset.

The shoehorning of things will only get worse IMO, and that’s why you’ll end up with “What if Zootopia was in Animal Kingdom because in that park, we tell stories with animals?”
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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UNCgolf said:
I think we've reached a point where I'm afraid of Disney announcements instead of excited about them. Not just because of some of the nonsense today, but other things they've done over the past 5+ years. It's like, "oh no what are they going to potentially remove and/or ruin now??"
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This was my first thought with the Harmonious announcement, everyone got excited and I thought we likely end up with a worse show using the same ugly industrial barges in the lagoon.

This was a horrible D23 but the lack of change may be a good thing until we get new management, everything they’ve done in the last 3 years has been a downgrade, maybe it’s best if they don’t touch anything right now.
 
djkidkaz

djkidkaz

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marni1971 said:
At the end of the day, they know people will keep going to WDW and pay the asking price. They may not be the same people, but they won’t run out of guests in the short to medium term.

Nothing will change drastically until that no longer happens.
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I don’t necessarily agree. If people stop showing up then they also refuse to spend because the money isn’t flowing in anymore and they tighten the purse strings.

The only way change happens and the parks grow is when you have a leader who isn’t afraid to spend when things are going well. You need the cash flowing in and a leader who says “Let’s invest in our future!” to see growth.
 
CaptainAmerica

CaptainAmerica

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mightynine said:
I really do wonder about the future of WDW. You have two whole parks - EPCOT and Animal Kingdom - and a good bit of a third - Magic Kingdom - that were absolutely not designed with vertical integration with IP as their focus, but they are part of a company that now only sees things with that mindset.

The shoehorning of things will only get worse, IMO and that’s why you’ll end up with “What if Zooptopia was in Animal Kingdome because in that park, we tell stories with animals?”
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I agree with all of this, but I'll defend WDW on one point and criticize the fans on another point.

- Galaxy's Edge in Disneyland is by far the worst offender in this respect, but it's cooler to bash on WDW than on DLR.

- I don't think there's a lot of room to criticize Pandora in DAK and Zootopia in DAK at the same time, which a lot of people try to do. If you care about vibe, atmosphere, and ethos, then Pandora fits. If you want to be very literal and say you care about animals qua animals, then Zootopia fits.
 
stitchcastle

stitchcastle

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mightynine said:
I really do wonder about the future of WDW. You have two whole parks - EPCOT and Animal Kingdom - and a good bit of a third - Magic Kingdom - that were absolutely not designed with vertical integration with IP as their focus, but they are part of a company that now only sees things with that mindset.

The shoehorning of things will only get worse, IMO and that’s why you’ll end up with “What if Zooptopia was in Animal Kingdome because in that park, we tell stories with animals?”
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Yeah, we're well past that with Pandora and Galaxy's Edge being the big watermarks for it. It's just gonna be more of this sort of IP-driven expansions from now on. The thoughtful design and creativity of the old days are long gone.
 

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