Current News on the possible Disneyland's 4th Hotel

[Disney Irish]

Is there any chance a Star Wars hotel is ever built for Disneyland?

There is always a chance. But I wouldn't bet on it in the next 3-5 years.

And they may consider building it outside Anaheim in a place like Garden Grove.

 

[Curious Constance]

But there is always two sides to every story. The quotes from Dr. Moreno speak volumes on what TDA is currently up against.

I have a hard time believing anyone in this type of public office is that stupid. He's probably just making memeable quotes for all of the voters that really are that dumb and don't bother to look into something more than a quote they see on Facebook. If they believe it, that's really all that matters.

 

[TP2000]

I have a hard time believing anyone in this type of public office is that stupid. He's probably just making memeable quotes for all of the voters that really are that dumb and don't bother to look into something more than a quote they see on Facebook. If they believe it, that's really all that matters.

Agreed. I love my Facebook account, especially to see what the rest of the family is doing. But it's just terrifying that people use Facebook posts to inform them on which lever to pull in the voting booth every other November.

 

[Disney Irish]

I have a hard time believing anyone in this type of public office is that stupid. He's probably just making memeable quotes for all of the voters that really are that dumb and don't bother to look into something more than a quote they see on Facebook. If they believe it, that's really all that matters.

To be honest it not really all that hard for me to believe a local politician believes their own talking points. With 63 years of history, they know that Disneyland isn't going anywhere. So they can make stupid statements like that over and over and they themselves will start to believe it.

 

[Darkbeer1]

To be honest it not really all that hard for me to believe a local politician believes their own talking points. With 63 years of history, they know that Disneyland isn't going anywhere. So they can make stupid statements like that over and over and they themselves will start to believe it.

Hopefully I can add more later. But remember Dr. Moreno is totally in UNITE HERE's pocket. And since the article was requested by the Union he HAD to use their talking points. The quotes will be used in political mailers with the LA Times byline.

Part of the game.

But new polling has more voters choosing no on L when the hear that Disney is already paying $15

 

[Disney Irish]

Hopefully I can add more later. But remember Dr. Moreno is totally in UNITE HERE's pocket. And since the article was requested by the Union he HAD to use their talking points. The quotes will be used in political mailers with the LA Times byline.

Part of the game.

But new polling has more voters choosing no on L when the hear that Disney is already paying $15

Talking points like this though have a funny way of becoming reality in politicians minds.

 

[justinliew]

There is always a chance. But I wouldn't bet on it in the next 3-5 years.

And they may consider building it outside Anaheim in a place like Garden Grove.

I mean, it's gotta be after the WDW one is open, right? And that hasn't even really broken ground yet.

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean, it's gotta be after the WDW one is open, right? And that hasn't even really broken ground yet.

You asked if there was a chance. And yes there is a chance. But does it have to be after WDWs? No, they could announce it tomorrow if they wanted.

But how big of a chance of it actually happen is a different question. I put it at less than 5% chance it coming in the next 5 years in Anaheim. There are too many political hurdles right now. Building it outside of Anaheim increases that chance, but again I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Basically what I'm getting at is, DLR isn't getting a SW Hotel for the foreseeable future. However things can always change so who knows.

 

[nevol]

I think even disney themselves have no idea how much demand there will be fore diversions from star wars land and just how much money they'll be making to pay for those things. All this talk about having less investment in anaheim after the elimination of those subsidies. They will need and be able to pay for more dramatic changes than we have ever seen. They'll need a new tomorrowland. fantasyland. marvel phase 2 and 3. Hotel. Star wars hotel. This is about to be a crazy decade with our without everything I just mentioned.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-disneylands-hometown-once-warm-relations-have-frozen-1537801201

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“The evolving environment in Anaheim makes it difficult for us to set and execute long-term strategies,” Mr. D’Amaro said in a statement. “We will always invest in the Disneyland Resort, but what’s at stake now is the level of that investment, particularly relative to other cities where the business climate is more stable.”
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No. It's Chapek's capriciousness that makes it difficult. Anyone who thinks he could ever be the next Iger is delusional. He's just another Pressler.

Then he pivots to a rehash of the Disney playbook--playing Anaheim against "other cities where the business climate is more stable". It's Anaheim vs. Long Beach redux. Disney is going to reinvest in Disneyland according to their interests to keep the Resort competitive.

 

[jzramom]

Newbie here, so be gentle. Is there a reason why the hotel would have to be Star Wars themed and not a type of Marvel? Didn't I read the Marvel franchise was making more money than Star Wars?

 

[Disney Irish]

Newbie here, so be gentle. Is there a reason why the hotel would have to be Star Wars themed and not a type of Marvel? Didn't I read the Marvel franchise was making more money than Star Wars?

There is a Star Wars hotel slated for WDW, this is what people have been talking about. Its being built (will start actual construction soon) to be a totally immersive Star Wars experience.

Disneyland Paris is getting a Marvel hotel in the form of a re-imagining of their Hotel New York.

There is currently no Star Wars hotel slated for Disneyland. There is no Marvel hotel slated for Disneyland even rumored. In fact there is now no new Disney hotel slated for Disneyland at all (its been put on permanent hold) due to the recent political issues in Anaheim.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Um, you should feel fortunate. I've never understood the disdain some locals in Anaheim and Orlando feel for Disney. While there may be some inconveniences, the benefits to the local economies are undeniable.

Yeah. I bet those same locals love what having Disney so close has done to their property value.

 

[asianway]

“It’s as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim,” said city council member Jose Moreno, who was elected in 2016 as part of what locals call the first “anti-Disney” majority. “Maybe we should, but they should be grateful for a city that has helped them grow.”

Direct from his mouth, that just confirmed my worst fears. I'm afraid Dr. Moreno is at best a man who doesn't think much beyond his tiny world, and at worst he's a nut.

If Walt had chosen Pomona instead, Anaheim in 2018 would be a clone of Stanton but with more freeway noise.

Without Disneyland landing in Anaheim in 1955 and almost instantly becoming an international driver of visitation and visibility, you could also easily lay out an alternate timeline for all of Orange County from 1960 to 1990.

• No Anaheim Stadium in 1966, instead delayed until the 1970's and landing in master-planned Irvine.
• No Anaheim Convention Center & Arena in 1967, instead delayed and split; Arena in Irvine in 1970's, Convention Center in Huntington Beach in 1980.
• John Wayne Airport expansion circa 1970 delayed at least a decade, smaller daily operation in 2010's, fewer daily flights from Pacific Northwest, British Columbia, Salt Lake, Phoenix.
• Does South Coast Plaza get built in '67? Does Welton Becket master-plan Newport Center in '65, or is that delayed a decade or more? Where does UC Irvine land in '64 if Orange County is less developed and less populated without Disneyland? Without Disneyland, does Children's Hospital of Orange County become one of the finest in the nation? Etc., etc., etc.

If Walt had chosen Pomona, or Rowland Heights, or San Dimas instead of Anaheim, you could easily see how the growth and expansion of Orange County from 1955 to 1990 would have taken a very different track, making the entire county look different in the 2010's. Perhaps that alternate timeline would have been better for Orange County, with Irvine as the de facto "downtown" for the county and with a less known presence on the American psyche and global marketplace?

But for a public official to make the statement "It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim" tells me that public official has a very limited grasp on the positive impact Walt's choice made on Anaheim and all of Orange County. It also tells me he's not really a thinking man, but a man with limited scope and vision.

So how long should Anaheim be beholden to TWDC?

 

[Rich T]

Newbie here, so be gentle. Is there a reason why the hotel would have to be Star Wars themed and not a type of Marvel?

Well...at least there's a half-baked Marvel ride in DCA that *used* to be a hotel...

 

[truecoat]

Disney is not entirely blameless for this mess in my opinion, especially a couple of the arrogant decisions from the TDA executive suites run by Michael Colglazier circa 2012-2017. (Cough! That cheap and ugly Harbor Blvd. skybridge design done by interns. Cough!)

I don't get the bridge fervor. The Disneyland Drive bridge looks exactly the same design and I can't remember anyone being up in arms about it.

 

[britain]

I don't get the bridge fervor. The Disneyland Drive bridge looks exactly the same design and I can't remember anyone being up in arms about it.

The only views of the Disneyland Drive bridge from street level are from cars as you drive by. Not so for the businesses that would have a Harbor bridge casting a shadow on them.

 

[TP2000]

So how long should Anaheim be beholden to TWDC?

They shouldn't feel beholden at all, but rather thankful and willing to work together. Because a single employer landed in your one-horse town in 1955 and made it a globally recognized tourist destination. Then that status and burgeoning tax base enabled you to build a stadium and a convention center ten years later. And then 60 years later when that single employer's presence is still paying half your general fund tax base for your residents fire/police/parks/libraries/schools/etc. you would think an elected City Councilman wouldn't go on record with the Wall Street Journal with a quote like...

“It’s as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim,” -Anaheim Councilman, Dr. Moreno

The mind boggles at how small Dr. Moreno's world must be.

 

[TP2000]

I don't get the bridge fervor. The Disneyland Drive bridge looks exactly the same design and I can't remember anyone being up in arms about it.

Valid point, the Disneyland Drive bridge isn't a work of art either. But that bridge is surrounded entirely by Disney property and is really only seen by passing motorists at 40 mph. The Harbor Blvd. bridge needed to share public space with countless other land owners and dress up a busy commercial strip, and also act as a placemaking icon for the Disneyland Resort to thousands of pedestrians per day that would see it.

The Harbor Blvd. skybridge deserves a bigger budget. That TDA didn't try to dazzle the audience with it speaks volumes of their mindset at the time. Let's hope when the bridge concept is hopefully revisited in 2020 a new sense of respect for the pedestrian audience takes hold.

 

[asianway]

They shouldn't feel beholden at all, but rather thankful and willing to work together. Because a single employer landed in your one-horse town in 1955 and makes it a globally recognized destination. Then that status enables you to build a stadium and a convention center ten years later. And then 60 years later when that single employer's presence is still paying half your general fund tax base for your residents fire/police/parks/libraries/schools/etc. you would think an elected City Councilman wouldn't go on record with the Wall Street Journal with a quote like...

“It’s as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim,” -Anaheim Councilman, Dr. Moreno

The mind boggles at how small Dr. Moreno's world must be.

Work together, yes. Give away the store, no.

Especially not when they have a refugee camp down the street.