Current News on the possible Disneyland's 4th Hotel

TP2000

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Work together, yes. Give away the store, no.

Especially not when they have a refugee camp down the street.

The homeless camp along the riverbed was cleared out eight months ago by the County of Orange, as it was County property that abutted three different cities; Orange, Anaheim, Santa Ana.

But I’m not sure what that has to do with Dr. Moreno’s dislike of Disneyland’s presence in his city.
 

Darkbeer1

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Original Poster
Work together, yes. Give away the store, no.

Give away the store? Disney and the Resort Area pays HALF of the city's bills!

A few years ago, the city looked at its future plans. The North Hall addition was on track to open in 2018, and they saw a serious issue, a lack of 4 Diamond Hotels that many senior business executives demanded. So it looked like while the city would get the convention business, many high income attendees would be staying outside the city to meet their needs. Thereby "giving" the other cities all the income from those hotel stays, along with restaurant visits, shopping, etc. The city leaders decided that after analyzing the numbers, it would be beneficially to create a few thousand 4 Diamond Hotel Rooms, plus additional convention facilities at those Hotels (a requirement to get a 4 Diamond rating). So they came up with the TOT rebate program, one city staff showed created a lot of additional income, not just from the TOT, but creation of more jobs, sales tax, property tax and even more convention business. It was a program that would have added $7 million in general fund revenue just from the 1 Disney project this fiscal year. (There are 4 other projects approved/non-Disney).

So the program created additional city revenue now, and a lot more in 20 years. And now a fair amount of it is not coming in, forcing the city to make budget cuts!
 

asianway

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Give away the store? Disney and the Resort Area pays HALF of the city's bills!

A few years ago, the city looked at its future plans. The North Hall addition was on track to open in 2018, and they saw a serious issue, a lack of 4 Diamond Hotels that many senior business executives demanded. So it looked like while the city would get the convention business, many high income attendees would be staying outside the city to meet their needs. Thereby "giving" the other cities all the income from those hotel stays, along with restaurant visits, shopping, etc. The city leaders decided that after analyzing the numbers, it would be beneficially to create a few thousand 4 Diamond Hotel Rooms, plus additional convention facilities at those Hotels (a requirement to get a 4 Diamond rating). So they came up with the TOT rebate program, one city staff showed created a lot of additional income, not just from the TOT, but creation of more jobs, sales tax, property tax and even more convention business. It was a program that would have added $7 million in general fund revenue just from the 1 Disney project this fiscal year. (There are 4 other projects approved/non-Disney).

So the program created additional city revenue now, and a lot more in 20 years. And now a fair amount of it is not coming in, forcing the city to make budget cuts!
Again, how long must the city be beholden to TWDC?
 

nevol

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Again, how long must the city be beholden to TWDC?
They aren't "beholden" to them as it is! If they don't want Disney to grow, fine. Then there will be thousands less jobs, billions less in real estate development, lower hotel occupancy rates, etc.

When Disney proposed the Harbor eastern gateway/bridge project and neighboring businesses objected, Anaheim didn't back Disney against these other businesses. They took a fair approach of staying out of it, choosing not to defend the largest business against smaller businesses. Seems to me that they haven't been beholden to Disney for years.
 
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Darkbeer1

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Again, how long must the city be beholden to TWDC?

The Leaders of the city of Anaheim decided in the early 1960's to join the "tourism" business in first building the original Anaheim Arena and Convention Center. The Arena became the place for big acts to perform in the Southland. A facility that has hosted Olympic events in 1984. The city has expanded the facilities over the decades.

https://visitanaheim.org/blog/anaheim-convention-center-celebrates-50-years

https://www.kcet.org/shows/lost-la/when-anaheims-flying-saucer-arena-touched-down-near-disneyland

The city built Angel Stadium, and then the new "Anaheim Arena", now known as the Honda Center.

It has also built the Grove of Anaheim, the Sports Center which is the home of the US Olympic Volleyball teams, and other facilities.

And it has used those profits to add more infrastructure like parks for its residents, along with hundreds of millions in general fund revenue.

So yes, the city joined up with Disney, to benefit everyone. When one grows, so does the other.

Beholden, NO! Partners, YES!
 

TeriofTerror

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Again, how long must the city be beholden to TWDC?
While I can't speak for Anaheim, I am a Cedar Point local, and Cedar Point has been around for significantly longer than Disneyland. For all the annoyance due to traffic and tourists, I can't imagine locals being anything but grateful for the existence of CP. Hotels, restaurants, and other amusement venues existing solely to fill the needs of CP guests. It's not just about CP's tax dollars; it's how its existence drives the entire local economy.
 

Ismael Flores

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“It’s as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim,” said city council member Jose Moreno, who was elected in 2016 as part of what locals call the first “anti-Disney” majority. “Maybe we should, but they should be grateful for a city that has helped them grow.”

Direct from his mouth, that just confirmed my worst fears. I'm afraid Dr. Moreno is at best a man who doesn't think much beyond his tiny world, and at worst he's a nut. :rolleyes:

If Walt had chosen Pomona instead, Anaheim in 2018 would be a clone of Stanton but with more freeway noise.

Without Disneyland landing in Anaheim in 1955 and almost instantly becoming an international driver of visitation and visibility, you could also easily lay out an alternate timeline for all of Orange County from 1960 to 1990.

  • No Anaheim Stadium in 1966, instead delayed until the 1970's and landing in master-planned Irvine.
  • No Anaheim Convention Center & Arena in 1967, instead delayed and split; Arena in Irvine in 1970's, Convention Center in Huntington Beach in 1980.
  • John Wayne Airport expansion circa 1970 delayed at least a decade, smaller daily operation in 2010's, fewer daily flights from Pacific Northwest, British Columbia, Salt Lake, Phoenix.
  • Does South Coast Plaza get built in '67? Does Welton Becket master-plan Newport Center in '65, or is that delayed a decade or more? Where does UC Irvine land in '64 if Orange County is less developed and less populated without Disneyland? Without Disneyland, does Children's Hospital of Orange County become one of the finest in the nation? Etc., etc., etc.
If Walt had chosen Pomona, or Rowland Heights, or San Dimas instead of Anaheim, you could easily see how the growth and expansion of Orange County from 1955 to 1990 would have taken a very different track, making the entire county look different in the 2010's. Perhaps that alternate timeline would have been better for Orange County, with Irvine as the de facto "downtown" for the county and with a less known presence on the American psyche and global marketplace?

But for a public official to make the statement "It's as if somehow we should feel fortunate that Walt Disney chose Anaheim" tells me that public official has a very limited grasp on the positive impact Walt's choice made on Anaheim and all of Orange County. It also tells me he's not really a thinking man, but a man with limited scope and vision.
true, and if Disney hadnt pushed for the expansion which included the revitalized anaheim resort
it would still look like it did in the early 90’s with cheap drug and prostitution filled motels.
this Moreno guy has it backwards.
Anaheim didnt help Disney grow, Disney helped Anaheim grow and better itself
 
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Darkbeer1

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Original Poster
Somebody was asking about Garden Grove and how serious they are to bringing in new Hotels and Businesses to the city.

So I showed her one example, and she was surprised at how much was given in return of the projects.

Basically FREE land, 60% of the TOT taxes for 20 years, and half of the sales taxes collected.

So that is what Anaheim is competing against.

https://voiceofoc.org/2017/12/city-subsidized-hotel-resort-in-garden-grove-moves-forward/
 

Stevek

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The homeless camp along the riverbed was cleared out eight months ago by the County of Orange, as it was County property that abutted three different cities; Orange, Anaheim, Santa Ana.
And we're so loving the influx of homeless in Corona.
 

Ismael Flores

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And we're so loving the influx of homeless in Corona.

we have noticed an increase of homeless as well in jurupa valley just north of Corona. They seem to occasionally get on the metrolink trains and hide out in restrooms so that they will not get check for tickets then hop off in the Corona Riverside area.
 

Stevek

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we have noticed an increase of homeless as well in jurupa valley just north of Corona. They seem to occasionally get on the metrolink trains and hide out in restrooms so that they will not get check for tickets then hop off in the Corona Riverside area.
There have been an increasing number of fires in the Santa Ana River bed over the past few months due to the increased number of people camping out in that area. We're just noticing increasing numbers pretty much everywhere we go.
 

jzramom

Member
Somebody was asking about Garden Grove and how serious they are to bringing in new Hotels and Businesses to the city.

So I showed her one example, and she was surprised at how much was given in return of the projects.

Basically FREE land, 60% of the TOT taxes for 20 years, and half of the sales taxes collected.

So that is what Anaheim is competing against.

https://voiceofoc.org/2017/12/city-subsidized-hotel-resort-in-garden-grove-moves-forward/
Oh my, Harbor and Twintree. I lived on Twintree in the 70's, all the kids would sit out on the curb during summer and watch the fireworks in our jammies. Our front yard was a straight shot from the castle and fireworks.
 

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