Current Crowd Levels & Visitor Origins

[Lilofan]

Where am I supposed to have heard this?

That’s what fools want fools to keep drinking the kool aid to fall for this. It’s a shame the way Canadians are singled out and treated . I don’t blame our friends in the Great White North to boycott FL and other places. Our tourism industry that employs many directly and indirectly will be affected.

 

[Chi84]

Our friends to the north better be extremely careful they don’t bring about a counter boycott on themselves, as Pleakley mentioned earlier we have a mutually beneficial relationship, if that relationship sours Canada stands to lose as much as we do.

This is why so many of us think this will be a short lived feud, it benefits no one and hurts everyone, in both countries.



My quick Google search showed Canadians spent $6.5 billion in Florida last year, it also showed Canada made about $35 billion from US visitors last year, no one wins if this gets drawn out.

That’s a large disparity because you are comparing a country to a state. I thought the US made $20.5 billion from Canadian tourism last year.

 

[Lilofan]

Our friends to the north better be extremely careful they don’t bring about a counter boycott on themselves, as Pleakley mentioned earlier we have a mutually beneficial relationship, if that relationship sours Canada stands to lose as much as we do.

This is why so many of us think this will be a short lived feud, it benefits no one and hurts everyone, in both countries.



My quick Google search showed Canadians spent $6.5 billion in Florida last year, it also showed Canada made about $35 billion from US visitors last year, no one wins if this gets drawn out.

Thanks for clarify. Off a bit just like the claim that we spent $200B to support Canada

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Our friends to the north better be extremely careful they don’t bring about a counter boycott on themselves, as Pleakley mentioned earlier we have a mutually beneficial relationship, if that relationship sours Canada stands to lose as much as we do.

This is why so many of us think this will be a short lived feud, it benefits no one and hurts everyone, in both countries.



My quick Google search showed Canadians spent $6.5 billion in Florida last year, it also showed Canada made about $35 billion from US visitors last year, no one wins if this gets drawn out.

It's pretty rich to suggest Canada better be careful or else, in response to completely one sided aggression.

We're already seeing global shifts in supply chains and tourism.

The USA is alienating, *checks notes*, everyone, and a lot of other countries will find ways to support each other.

Going to WDW isn't cheap and people are discovering there's a whole other world out there to explore.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The numbers are irrelevant, the point is both countries have a lot to lose if our friendly relationship sours.


The aggression isn’t one sided, there’s a lot of hostility coming towards US citizens also, if a lot of Canadians decide a vocal boycott is their best option I just think they should be careful where they direct their anger or a lot of Americans will return the favor. Lose - lose situation for everyone .

As for the last paragraph that’s 100% on Disney, they encouraged us (via their lack of value) to explore the world several years ago, we’ve got an Alaska cruise (with a couple days before in Vancouver), a British Isles cruise, a Danube River cruise, and a short Mexico cruise currently booked and only the Mexico cruise is on DCL. No DL vacations planned, no WDW vacations planned, and despite 2 trips to Europe booked no visits to DLP planned. We love Disney but at their current price there’s a lot of other vacations that are better value.

What hostility?

America is threatening to annex Canada and waging a tariff war despite having an active trade agreement.

The 'both sides are the same' argument rarely holds water, and is particularly nonsensical here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Our friends to the north better be extremely careful they don’t bring about a counter boycott on themselves,

The whole point of a tariff is to reduce international trade. What Canadians are doing is the counter.

This is why so many of us think this will be a short lived feud, it benefits no one and hurts everyone, in both countries.

This isn’t a fued. There is no actual disagreement.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And the moment someone wants to fight back on the status quo,

Who established the status quo with regards to trade? The guy who says it’s unfair.

 

[Chi84]

No one’s annexing one inch of Canada, unless Alberta and Saskatchewan ask us too , an uninvited attempt would never fly with 90% of the US public.

Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed by the stupidity?

 

[lazyboy97o]

there is a huge chance they’re going to infuriate a lot of regular people and get a boycott directed right back at them.

Again, a “boycott” was already directed at them. You’re acting as though Canadians just have hurt feelings and there have been no instigating actions.

 

[Lilofan]

I now see the disconnect, you are viewing this purely from a political perspective, I’m simply viewing it from a people who benefit from each other perspective, that’s why I say they need to be careful where they direct their hostility, keep it towards Washington and they’ll likely get sympathy from most Americans, when they start directing it at citizens “we’ll boycott and make you suffer” there is a huge chance they’re going to infuriate a lot of regular people and get a boycott directed right back at them.

No one’s annexing one inch of Canada, unless Alberta and Saskatchewan ask us too , an uninvited attempt would never fly with 90% of the US public.

As one guy said to the other guy, - I checked with the owners , Never.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I now see the disconnect, you are viewing this purely from a political perspective, I’m simply viewing it from a people who benefit from each other perspective, that’s why I say they need to be careful where they direct their hostility, keep it towards Washington and they’ll likely get sympathy from most Americans, when they start directing it at citizens “we’ll boycott and make you suffer” there is a huge chance they’re going to infuriate a lot of regular people and get a boycott directed right back at them.

No one’s annexing one inch of Canada, unless Alberta and Saskatchewan ask us too , an uninvited attempt would never fly with 90% of the US public.

Canadians actually import more per person from the USA than Americans import from Canada.

A complete boycott where Canadians stop buying anything from the USA would put more money back into Canada than would be removed by any counter boycott.

 

[Raineman]

I was hoping to avoid the political back and forth in here, as far as specific arguments, but someone had to start with it and it snowballed from there. Can we please take it back to the original intent of this thread?

 

[Nevermore525]

Q1 Calendar 2025 Florida saw no change on visitors overall from 2024.

Q1 YoY
Domestic: +0.2%
Overseas: -0.8%
Canada: -3.4%
Overall: 0%

Research

www.visitflorida.org

 

[Jrb1979]

Q1 Calendar 2025 Florida saw no change on visitors overall from 2024.

Q1 YoY
Domestic: +0.2%
Overseas: -0.8%
Canada: -3.4%
Overall: 0%

Research

www.visitflorida.org

This quarter will be more telling.

 

[Raineman]

This quarter will be more telling.

I think a year from now when we see the numbers from Q4 this year and Q1 next year, those will be the most telling. This all started in the middle of the winter tourist season this year, so the impact of that wasn't really felt until the end of Q1. I would assume that the majority of Canadians visit Florida in the fall/winter, so those 2 quarters should show a significant drop in Canadian visitors if the trend continues.

 

[Nevermore525]

This quarter will be more telling.

Sure, but a 3.4% drop in Canadian visitors over a quarter amounts to 42,000 people.

Canadian visitors make up about 2-3% of the total visitors to Florida.

That’s not saying there won’t be some impact, but it’s not going to be some massive dip.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Q1 Calendar 2025 Florida saw no change on visitors overall from 2024.

Q1 YoY
Domestic: +0.2%
Overseas: -0.8%
Canada: -3.4%
Overall: 0%

Research

www.visitflorida.org

Note that they were expecting tourism to grow this year, as it has in previous years.

Being stagnant at 0% is obviously not the end of the world but it represents a downward trend.

 

[Raineman]

Sure, but a 3.4% drop in Canadian visitors over a quarter amounts to 42,000 people.

Canadian visitors make up about 2-3% of the total visitors to Florida.

That’s not saying there won’t be some impact, but it’s not going to be some massive dip.

For Florida specifically? Maybe not. For the entire country? It will be a good deal more than 3%. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, businesses in the northern states that rely on Canadian tourists in the summer are already feeling the pinch, and that's just from cancelled bookings/reservations and very few additional bookings/reservations. I'm just trying to get the point across through all of this that some Americans think the effect is going to be negligible, but even a small drop in visitors from Canada will cause a loss of multiple billions of dollars to the US tourism industry. I'm not saying the US tourism industry will collapse or anything, but it will definitely be felt.

 

[Nevermore525]

Note that they were expecting tourism to grow this year, as it has in previous years.

Being stagnant at 0% is obviously not the end of the world but it represents a downward trend.

Oh I expect things to continue to trend downward. It’s just how much will also happen domestically and overseas. Domestic growth for Q1 was enough to overcome any drops internationally.

Going forward, is as clear as the economic plans set forth by the U.S.

 

[Nevermore525]

For Florida specifically? Maybe not. For the entire country? It will be a good deal more than 3%. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, businesses in the northern states that rely on Canadian tourists in the summer are already feeling the pinch, and that's just from cancelled bookings/reservations and very few additional bookings/reservations. I'm just trying to get the point across through all of this that some Americans think the effect is going to be negligible, but even a small drop in visitors from Canada will cause a loss of multiple billions of dollars to the US tourism industry. I'm not saying the US tourism industry will collapse or anything.

Was only giving Florida because this thread is within the WDW Parks and General discussion. Not denying other areas won’t be impacted as well. Those Northern States are more reliant on Canadian visitors.