Current Crowd Levels & Visitor Origins

Wendy Pleakley

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I just gave you facts - a couple routes getting cut could be for a myriad of reasons. You're incorrect here. Canadian tourism to the US is fine by all real aggregate data compiled in 2025.

You can't ignore my facts because you have some anecdotal counterpoint.

"Revenues rose 5% for Apple." A fact verifiable in their 10-Q.

Anecdotal guy: "How could revenues rise if I didn't buy that MacBook and my friend switched to Android?"

See how that works?

Disney's woes are their own.

What facts? Border crossings to Washington state have halved.

 

monothingie

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What facts? Border crossings to Washington state have halved.

Consider that Canadian discretionary spending has dropped across the board and that unfavorable currency exchange rates coupled with inflation fueled price increases have made international travel to the US significantly less affordable for many. I’m not going to rule out some people traveling elsewhere due to political considerations, but the financial one is more relevant.
 

Raineman

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Consider that Canadian discretionary spending has dropped across the board and that unfavorable currency exchange rates coupled with inflation fueled price increases have made international travel to the US significantly less affordable for many. I’m not going to rule out some people traveling elsewhere due to political considerations, but the financial one is more relevant.
The data may, in some cases, point to the financial element being more relevant, but, I'm telling you, as a Canadian, at the grassroots level, the majority of people that are abandoning trips to the US are doing it mainly for political reasons. Europe is an expensive place to visit-and yet, some Canadians are cancelling their US trips and going to Europe instead- a trip that will most likely cost them more than a similar trip to the US. Again, I'm not saying that the financial aspect isn't a factor-but the political aspect is the bigger factor here, and it will most likely be that way for some time, and it is still being downplayed and minimized by Americans who are not here and do not understand what is happening in this country.
 

monothingie

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The data may, in some cases, point to the financial element being more relevant, but, I'm telling you, as a Canadian, at the grassroots level, the majority of people that are abandoning trips to the US are doing it mainly for political reasons. Europe is an expensive place to visit-and yet, some Canadians are cancelling their US trips and going to Europe instead- a trip that will most likely cost them more than a similar trip to the US. Again, I'm not saying that the financial aspect isn't a factor-but the political aspect is the bigger factor here, and it will most likely be that way for some time, and it is still being downplayed and minimized by Americans who are not here and do not understand what is happening in this country.
We see similar things whenever there is a boycott of a product or service for some social/political reason. Typically there is an initial emotional response and then it fades quite quickly because the entire reason for the boycott is ill-conceived and self-damaging. Overall it's typically all transient in nature.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Consider that Canadian discretionary spending has dropped across the board and that unfavorable currency exchange rates coupled with inflation fueled price increases have made international travel to the US significantly less affordable for many. I’m not going to rule out some people traveling elsewhere due to political considerations, but the financial one is more relevant.



Cross border travel between BC and Washington is extremely common due to proximity. Many people do it just to buy cheaper gas. A lot of cross border shopping isn't discretionary, certain groceries can be cheaper. There was a story years ago of Bellingham residents being unhappy at Canadians buying up all the milk at Costco.

The exchange rate hasn't changed much in the last year.

This isn't a minor blip. A 50% drop in cross border traffic is significant and can't be dismissed.
 
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Lilofan

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I have seen numbers recently that estimated 3-6% of WDW guests annually are Canadian. Using the total attendance from all 4 parks in 2023, 48 million, that would be a loss of 1.4 million to 2.9 million guests annually, if every Canadian guest decided to stop visiting. If you factor in the estimated 30% drop in Canadian tourist visits overall in the US for this year, that would equal 420,000 to 870,000 less visitors this year. At an average of $3000 spent per person, that results in lost revenues of $1.3 million to $2.6 million.
Less people flying including US residents flying domestic also make an impact on the economy . It’s that darn Real ID that a number of them still don’t have and with about 46% of the USA population that do not have a passport, those can forget about trying to board a plane.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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We see similar things whenever there is a boycott of a product or service for some social/political reason. Typically there is an initial emotional response and then it fades quite quickly because the entire reason for the boycott is ill-conceived and self-damaging. Overall it's typically all transient in nature.

What about this situation is self damaging? Many people realize that supporting local and supporting their own country is a good thing.
 

monothingie

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Cross border travel between BC and Washington is extremely common due to proximity. Many people do it just to buy cheaper gas. A lot of cross border shopping isn't discretionary, certain groceries can be cheaper. There was a story years ago of Bellingham residents being unhappy at Canadians buying up all the milk at Costco.
None of which changes the fact that it is all transient in nature and entirely emotionally driven. This will be resolved at some point and just as quickly as it came to be, it will be over. This is certainly not the new normal.
The exchange rate hasn't changed much in the last year.
Coupled with Inflation and overall increases in the costs of everything and current headwinds the economies in both Canada and the US are experiencing, it does have an impact.
This isn't a minor blip. A 50% drop in cross border traffic is significant and can't be dismissed.
These may be outliers, without presenting additional data beyond a small sample of locations, you really can't conclude anything. I'm not saying there hasn't been any impact to cross boarder travel, but it may not be representative of the whole situation.
 
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monothingie

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What about this situation is self damaging? Many people realize that supporting local and supporting their own country is a good thing.
Because in the end, these disputes always get resolved and normalcy returns. The ones who pay the most are not the players pulling the strings, but the individuals who had their strings pulled.
 

mkt

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Some Canadian Airlines have been reducing US capacity/canceling US routes




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