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Creations Shop opening this summer
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Inspired Figment
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Except Spaceship Earth basically covered most of that through how Communication evolved. despite it being sponsored by AT&T and everyone else. Hence why it was a mission statement attraction of what you’d experience in the rest of the park.
Plus, the way the attraction’s were executed were not to be extremely blatant with the advertising. You may have gotten hints of it simply due to the fact they dealt with those very subjects. But it wasn’t the mission statement nor was it what you mainly got from those attractions. It was the subjects that were at the forefront, not the companies sponsoring it
i also say, you could cover some of the various religions of the various countries through the World Showcase. One big one being the Israel pavilion that was supposed to be built, which would’ve gone over their beliefs aswell as the countries cultural achievements & history.
There are many ways EPCOT could have new pavilions and attractions to better celebrate mankind’s achievements and culture. Constantly using Film IP rides that make little effort to tie into real world culture & subjects isn’t one of them
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sedati
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Imagination, I heartily agree.
1) I think you confuse maintenance and updates. EPCOT would need both. Pirates needs expensive maintenance to keep it mostly the same. Now imagine not only needing to keep it going, but now make it cowboys instead.
2) EPCOT relied on slow-moving diorama attractions. What about that is easy to update when found stale? I don't know if the argument of the timelessness of coasters in the dark is the best here.
3) Yes, the attractions only dabbled in futuristic subjects, but what of the park/land itself? Spaceship Earth and Space Mountain seem eternal, but the rest is just bland beyond what paint can really fix. As for wish fulfillment, Mission Space does it for me- I went up in a rocket instead of just watching a clip of one (see SE, UoE, H.) Who doesn't want to explore the Galaxy with the Guardians? See how far we'll go with Moana? Learn about the Seas with Mr. Ray? Tour Scandanavia with Anna and Elsa? (I do find the execution somewhat less than fulfilling, but the concept isn't as flawed as some make it out to be.)
UNCgolf
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I think this is much harder to pull off than you're insinuating. For the people that loved original EPCOT and its attractions, it's hard to imagine an IP ride coming close to offering the same experience. The very nature of having IP means they're going to want to showcase it; a Guardians ride about space is going to focus on the Guardians themselves to some extent.
And on the other side, if there's too much focus on learning, science, whatever in an IP ride, it will just annoy or even anger the people who are solely interested in the IP. If Frozen Ever After was a ride that's actually about Norway just with Anna and Elsa as tour guides, there would be a huge number of guests unhappy that the Frozen ride wasn't actually about Frozen.
That doesn't mean they couldn't pull it off, just that there's a very fine line to walk between those opposing viewpoints. Some are easier than others, of course -- learning about the ocean with Mr. Ray would be pretty easy to pull off without even deviating from what people seeking the IP would expect.
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yensidtlaw1969
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I'm not at all confusing maintenance and updates. In the last decade alone every Disney park has recieved significant, expensive updates. That is on top of the regular maintenance, which is more or less regular depending on which park you're visiting.
I never said "slow-moving diorama attractions" were easy to update - but keep in mind that in the last 30 years Disney has spent real cash on upgrading and updating even the MOST perennially popular attractions around the world, often more than once - Every Pirates, every Mansion, Spaceship Earth, many Fantasyland Dark Rides, several Tower of Terrors, not to mention entire lands that have been replaced . . . it's part of the life-cycle of a theme park. The need for that wasn't unique to EPCOT.
The myth that guests didn't like the Future World Dark Rides because "the future caught up with them" is just that - recall that most of those attractions spent 80% of their scenes showcasing the history of their subject, anyway. They only got to the Future parts at the end. Their "failure" is much more myth than it was reality. People cite short lines as an indicator of their unpopularity, but these attractions were designed as people-eaters, and eat people they did. EPCOT actually peaked in terms of popularity AND profitability in the early 90's.
Unfortunately, 90's Disney management wanted to get out of the large, expensive, Audio Animatronics extravaganza game in favor of Thrill Rides that were cheaper to maintain. It wasn't because guests were demanding Horizons be razed for a Simulator. It was because Disney knew the simulator would be cheaper in the long run and hoped guests would go for it. The Future World Dark Rides left us because of financial greed. So they mowed down most of them and set up less dramatic replacements, and look - the park has bottomed out in terms of popularity and profitability, only being propped up with foodie festivals and needing a hugely expensive near-top-down relaunch. The bait and switch didn't work.
Now Spaceship Earth continues to get an update every 10-15 years that lightly refreshes the ascent and makes bigger changes to the descent, and no one bats an eye because that's just something that's done to keep most long-running attractions feeling fresh. I'm not saying that all of the OG Future World attractions should still be with us in 2021, but many of them could have easily connected with an audience without being taken down to the studs. But, as with The Great Movie Ride, it seemed cheaper to start from scratch, so they never tried. And now they're paying for it anyway.
lazyboy97o
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Although this one seems to be working quite well. So many reasons Epcot didn’t work or had to fixed, but they’re not actually being fixed in the great new evolution.
“The Innoventions building was hideous and had to go. The Creations Shop building is gorgeous!
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IIRC, the original FW attractions were designed to be updated. The Imagineers knew what they were building would eventually need to be refreshed and built them accordingly. It’s almost as if they knew what they were doing.
At least I won’t use the laughing emoji on a serious post for no reason, because that would probably get someone banned.
At least I won’t use the laughing emoji on a serious post for no reason, because that would probably get someone banned.
Clamman73
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Later this summer? Like Sept 20th?
Lil Copter Cap
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Creations Shop is truly so unimaginative and not even exciting to utter.
...and I can be a Disney loyalist to a fault.
...and I can be a Disney loyalist to a fault.
Sir_Cliff
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I don't think I am being too controversial in arguing that the cultural and political relevance that international expositions/world's fairs enjoyed beginning around mid- to late-nineteenth century was already fading by the early 1980s. They're still held around the world and I guess must be viable, but, for example, I doubt many of us outside of Dubai will ever hear anything about that exposition nor would many people out there have the foggiest idea what a world's fair looks like in the 21st century. I wouldn't be surprised if a sizeable chunk of WDW guests today don't know what a world's fair even is, and for younger guests I would venture a significant majority wouldn't know.
In short, I don't know the trajectory of actual world's fairs supports the argument that a "permanent world's fair" is a timeless concept. That doesn't mean I like what they are doing, but I also think people can idealise the enduring appeal of the original EPCOT Center a little too much.
Communicora
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Minneapolis/St. Paul and Houston are both in the mix for future world's fairs and I'm looking forward to attending the 2025 fair in Osaka. I'm sure it will be as fun as they one I attended in 2005 in Aichi.
Sir_Cliff
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Looking at the website you linked to, though, I would note that the last one held in the English-speaking world was Brisbane, Australia in 1988. That doesn't mean there is no market for them anywhere in the world, but it may not be the same market to which WDW is mostly catering.
I guess we'll see what happens with future US bids. Maybe I'm wrong and people and it's some kind of market or bureaucratic failure that they disappeared from North America and suddenly people will be clamouring to go to the Minneapolis/St. Paul world's fair in a few years while Bob Chapek fumes.
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Communicora
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Oh, I don't expect Disney or its typical visitors to pay them much attention. I just have to stand up for my beloved world's fairs while I quietly bemoan how much Epcot has changed. Cheers!
Sir_Cliff
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Fair enough! I can understand that!
mightynine
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Da Zack Attack said:
I honestly can’t believe this sentence made it through the PR vortex.
Nothing boldly announces a neighborhood like the color of a popcorn kiosk! Poor trash cans just get left out.
doctornick
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A shop named “Creations” is okay and different in a good way. A store named “Creations Shop” is awful.
Disney Analyst
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I’ve have just never really cared what name stores in the parks have…
I honestly don’t think I have even looked at the names when in the parks, I just see a door, air conditioning, and I go inside.
I honestly don’t think I have even looked at the names when in the parks, I just see a door, air conditioning, and I go inside.
Inspired Figment
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And even worse than that… a shop named “Creations”/“Creations Shop” that does to little to nothing to evoke or truly theme or tie it into the topic of creation, creativity, or EPCOT’s creations for that matter (considering it’s supposed to be the main store for the park) is just nonsensical & pointless.