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ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Pfizer begins vaccine trial for children between ages of 5 and 11​

From CNN's Nadia Kounang and Amanda Sealy

Duke University researchers started testing Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine for children under the age of 12. The company told CNN at least two children have already gotten their first shot.

Pfizer vaccine currently has an emergency authorization from the US Food and Drug Administration for those 16 years old and older.

Pfizer is starting the trials first in children between 5 and 11 to determine the appropriate dose. Vaccines will start with 10 micrograms. If that dose is tolerated, the trial will escalate to 20 micrograms and then 30 micrograms. An adult dosage of Pfizer vaccine has 30 micrograms. There is also a 3 microgram option. As with adults, children will be on a two-dose schedule, 21 days apart.

If the 10 microgram dose is tolerated in the 5-11 year old group, the trial will follow the same process for children between the ages of 2 and 5. If tolerated in that age group, next would be vaccine trials for the youngest children, between 6 months and 2 years.

Pfizer has already evaluated the vaccine in 2,259 children between the ages of 12 and 15. The company told CNN the tolerability findings were strong enough among this age group to encourage trials in younger children. They anticipate being able to share the data about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine in the older children age group soon.

Results from the under-12 trial are expected by the end of 2021.
 
Heppenheimer

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MansionButler84 said:

Pfizer begins vaccine trial for children between ages of 5 and 11​

From CNN's Nadia Kounang and Amanda Sealy

Duke University researchers started testing Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine for children under the age of 12. The company told CNN at least two children have already gotten their first shot.

Pfizer vaccine currently has an emergency authorization from the US Food and Drug Administration for those 16 years old and older.

Pfizer is starting the trials first in children between 5 and 11 to determine the appropriate dose. Vaccines will start with 10 micrograms. If that dose is tolerated, the trial will escalate to 20 micrograms and then 30 micrograms. An adult dosage of Pfizer vaccine has 30 micrograms. There is also a 3 microgram option. As with adults, children will be on a two-dose schedule, 21 days apart.

If the 10 microgram dose is tolerated in the 5-11 year old group, the trial will follow the same process for children between the ages of 2 and 5. If tolerated in that age group, next would be vaccine trials for the youngest children, between 6 months and 2 years.

Pfizer has already evaluated the vaccine in 2,259 children between the ages of 12 and 15. The company told CNN the tolerability findings were strong enough among this age group to encourage trials in younger children. They anticipate being able to share the data about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine in the older children age group soon.

Results from the under-12 trial are expected by the end of 2021.
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If I'm not mistaken, Moderna is going all the way down to age 6 months with their trial. I wonder why Pfizer is taking the step-wise approach down in age.
 
ToTBellHop

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Heppenheimer said:
If I'm not mistaken, Moderna is going all the way down to age 6 months with their trial. I wonder why Pfizer is taking the step-wise approach down in age.
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I think it is wiser. You are likely to get different dosages for the youngest kids. If that causes a small delay, Pfizer can move forward and request approval for the 5-11 group a few months before 2-5. And the FDA would gladly oblige.
 
correcaminos

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arich35 said:
First dose of Pfizer yesterday at a CVS in a grocery store exactly 24 hours ago. Didn't check ID or insurance, haven't had any reaction. Arm soreness is probably a 2/10
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My husband said the same about checking info. No reaction for him really. He said 1 out of 10. I was definitely higher lol
 
ToTBellHop

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helenabear said:
My husband said the same about checking info. No reaction for him really. He said 1 out of 10. I was definitely higher lol
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They checked my ID but I think most workers just want shots into arms now. My wife went to a teacher clinic and asked if they wanted her Staff ID and the worker said, “no I do not because I believe everyone who wants a shot should get one!” and honestly at this point, as we near eligibility for all adults, I agree. If someone shows up, just give the damn shot. “Please come back in 3 weeks” is silly. I hope no one is being turned away any more.
 
correcaminos

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MansionButler84 said:
They checked my ID but I think most workers just want shots into arms now. My wife went to a teacher clinic and asked if they wanted her Staff ID and the worker said, “no I do not because I believe everyone who wants a shot should get one!” and honestly at this point, as we near eligibility for all adults, I agree. If someone shows up, just give the damn shot. “Please come back in 3 weeks” is silly. I hope no one is being turned away any more.
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We're all adults starting Monday here. But if there are shots our gov said hand em out to anyone. My husband got 1st dose a month ago and they never checked. His was a no waste though. I'm with you. Come back later is silly. Lying to get there kinda uncool but jab away I say.
Skibum1970 said:
Had Pfizer first shot last weekend. Arm was very sore (definitely worse than a flu shot) and had a nasty headache. Had a friend who got it this week and they had a fever, aches, chills, and headache (plus the sore arm). Thankfully, all of these side effects were gone within 48 hours or less. No qualms about getting second shot in just over two weeks.
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Hope your second shot isn't too bad. In my house both doses were similar in terms of reactions. Worse than flu but not bad.
 
Think Tink

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Skibum1970 said:
Had Pfizer first shot last weekend. Arm was very sore (definitely worse than a flu shot) and had a nasty headache. Had a friend who got it this week and they had a fever, aches, chills, and headache (plus the sore arm). Thankfully, all of these side effects were gone within 48 hours or less. No qualms about getting second shot in just over two weeks.
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My mom had a stronger reaction to her first and felt fine in the second dose. Hopefully your friend is the same. I’m now about 30 hours post Pfizer and had a slightly sore arm and the tiniest head ache. But that’s more likely from my cat waking me up at 6:30, leaving me with 6 hours of sleep. I drank so much gaterade and did bicep curls last night in hopes of helping the pain. I think it worked lol.
 
ToTBellHop

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Anyone recall when the Pfizer 12-15 study began? They are apparently about ready to report, and I want to say it was 6 months total. I understand hedging (even 200m doses in 100 days is not particularly ambitious—it’s maintaining the current status quo), but still don’t get claims that vaccine won’t be ready for kids until early 2022. Perhaps they are suggesting they’ll be available to all kids by then? Obviously, studies in infants and toddlers could be expected to take longer, but going through the scheduling in my head, I can’t see the current 5-11 group finishing any later than Halloween as long as there aren’t problems.

Edit: FDA approved enrollment of kids 12-15 in mid-October 2020. So, yes, 6 months.
 
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correcaminos

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MansionButler84 said:
Anyone recall when the Pfizer 12-15 study began? They are apparently about ready to report, and I want to say it was 6 months total. I understand hedging (even 200m doses in 100 days is not particularly ambitious—it’s maintaining the current status quo), but still don’t get claims that vaccine won’t be ready for kids until early 2022. Perhaps they are suggesting they’ll be available to all kids by then? Obviously, studies in infants and toddlers could be expected to take longer, but going through the scheduling in my head, I can’t see the current 5-11 group finishing any later than Halloween as long as there aren’t problems.

Edit: FDA approved enrollment of kids 12-15 in mid-October 2020. So, yes, 6 months.
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Actually, that's just over 5 months. I am 6 months post 2nd dose which was end of September. When I went in October for a blood draw we had already been contacted about 12+ but I discussed it then. They say April/May for results.

The fall comments could be 2 things. Conservative estimates for teens or fall as in school start which is really Aug/Sept for then. Younger IMO is too soon to know, but by 2022 sounds reasonable.
 
ToTBellHop

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helenabear said:
Actually, that's just over 5 months. I am 6 months post 2nd dose which was end of September. When I went in October for a blood draw we had already been contacted about 12+ but I discussed it then. They say April/May for results.

The fall comments could be 2 things. Conservative estimates for teens or fall as in school start which is really Aug/Sept for then. Younger IMO is too soon to know, but by 2022 sounds reasonable.
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I was assuming they won’t report data until a bit into April. Of course, that’s a guess.
 

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