Could Iger decide to pull a Zaslav...

[celluloid]

What I'm saying is that Iger set the strategy at launch, it included releasing the Disney Vault to the service. He was in charge of the strategy from November 2019 to February 2020 in which saw many titles released from the Disney Vault. Chapek took over in February 2020 and CHANGED the strategy, period. He did not continue the same strategy that Iger set at launch, including no longer releasing titles from the Disney Vault.. So from February 2020 to November 2022 the blame is on Chapek not Iger.

Iger 100% can put Make Mine Music or whatever other old content on the service now that he is back in charge. Will he do it? I don't know. But given his stance on the subject back at launch I tend to believe that its very possible his original strategy of putting old content on D+ will continue. We'll just have to see what happens.

So all of the streaming original content that was released from Feburary 2020 to November 2022 were not just suddenly scripted and filmed. Particularly with that pandemic slowing things down.

Those were majority greenlit under the Iger hubris. Iger handed over things to Chapek.

 

[Disney Irish]

So all of the streaming original content that was released from Feburary 2020 to November 2022 were not just suddenly scripted and filmed. Particularly with that pandemic slowing things down.

Those were majority greenlit under the Iger hubris. Iger handed over things to Chapek.

So all decisions that Iger ever made over Disney+ was just implemented by Chapek without question or change once Chapek took over?
Chapek had no decision making powers over anything regarding Disney+?
So Iger just pulled all the strings for Disney+ for almost 3 years without even being part of the company?

 

[celluloid]

So all decisions that Iger ever made over Disney+ was just implemented by Chapek without question or change once Chapek took over?
Chapek had no decision making powers over anything regarding Disney+?

All of the things you see on your screen when you watch Disney plus were written, greenlit, and in some cases filmed, while Iger was still the top guy.

So Chapek should have just scrapped all of them while they were almost complete? Your stance here is confusing. He had decision making powers but what do you think Iger would have done differently when most of the shows were his thumbs up approval to greenlight? If all Chapek did was not allow the vault content that you say would not move the needle enough to matter, than what did he do that was goig to be very different in the less than two years Bob took another hiatus. Besides keeping those vault classics from there that you say would not move the needle, what strategy did he change from the Feb 2020 stint to Nov 2022?

I don't care for Chapek one bit, but Disney Plus' troubles are really all Iger's mess.

 

[Disney Irish]

All of the things you see on your screen when you watch Disney plus were written, greenlit, and in some cases filmed, while Iger was still the top guy.

So Chapek should have just scrapped all of them while they were almost complete? Your stance here is confusing. He had decision making powers but what do you think Iger would have done differently when most of the shows were his thumbs up approval to greenlight? If all Chapek did was not allow the vault content that you say would not move the needle enough to matter, than what did he do that was goig to be very different in the less than two years Bob took another hiatus. Besides keeping those vault classics from there that you say would not move the needle, what strategy did he change from the Feb 2020 stint to Nov 2022?

I don't care for Chapek one bit, but Disney Plus' troubles are really all Iger's mess.

You're being purposefully obtuse here. I'm talking about just content decisions and only content decisions. The screens, menus, etc, ie the UI, is not content. The infrastructure that runs the stuff is not content. None of that stuff would have been changed under Chapek, or at least shouldn't have been majorly changed, as that is a major investment much larger than any content decisions that we've been talking about.

Content is not a static decision, meaning that content decisions made in 2018/2019 were not followed 100% between 2020 to 2022. They are constantly changing decisions based on the state of the market at the time. We know this for a fact, as it was changed due to the pandemic. Changes were made by Chapek in which content was approved for release to D+ and which were cancelled or delayed. So no the plan set by Iger in 2019 for what content was release to Disney+ were not followed, this is a proven fact.

For example the Premier Access launch was something that was greenlit under Chapek, even if it may have been conceived under Iger. The rumors at the time were that it was something they were thinking about launching years down the line (ie 2024 or later) but the pandemic accelerated that launch, just like many other studios made changes under the pandemic. That was a decision made by Chapek to launch it early due to the pandemic, not Iger.

So content released on the service, including whether old content from the Disney Vault was released or not, all came under Chapek when he took over in February 2020, not Iger. All plans Iger had regarding content release strategy changed under Chapek, again a provable fact given what we know about the pandemic release strategy.

If you want to believe that every content decision for Disney+ ever made was done by Iger even when he wasn't there, I mean I guess that is your prerogative. But its not the reality of how things actually worked, especially during the pandemic.

Also if it was really all an "Iger" issue why would the BoD bring him back and not just tell Chapek to change the plan?

 

[celluloid]

You're being purposefully obtuse here. I'm talking about just content decisions and only content decisions. The screens, menus, etc, ie the UI, is not content. The infrastructure that runs the stuff is not content. None of that stuff would have been changed under Chapek, or at least shouldn't have been majorly changed, as that is a major investment much larger than any content decisions that we've been talking about.

Content is not a static decision, meaning that content decisions made in 2018/2019 were not followed 100% between 2020 to 2022. They are constantly changing decisions based on the state of the market at the time. We know this for a fact, as it was changed due to the pandemic. Changes were made by Chapek in which content was approved for release to D+ and which were cancelled or delayed. So no the plan set by Iger in 2019 for what content was release to Disney+ were not followed, this is a proven fact.

For example the Premier Access launch was something that was greenlit under Chapek, even if it may have been conceived under Iger. The rumors at the time were that it was something they were thinking about launching years down the line (ie 2024 or later) but the pandemic accelerated that launch, just like many other studios made changes under the pandemic. That was a decision made by Chapek to launch it early due to the pandemic, not Iger.

So content released on the service, including whether old content from the Disney Vault was released or not, all came under Chapek when he took over in February 2020, not Iger. All plans Iger had regarding content release strategy changed under Chapek, again a provable fact given what we know about the pandemic release strategy.

If you want to believe that every content decision for Disney+ ever made was done by Iger even when he wasn't there, I mean I guess that is your prerogative. But its not the reality of how things actually worked, especially during the pandemic.

Not being obstuse. When I said ugly, I did not mean the interface or infastructure. I mean so much of the content, most of it really. Was produced under Iger.

What did Chapek specifically push forward that Iger did not already greenlight into production in those two and a half years he held the job?

Wandavision and other shows were being filmed in November 2019 in Gerogia. He was not going to stop all of that.

And even if he did, that was still Bob Iger's plan.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not being obstuse. When I said ugly, I did not mean the interface or infastructure. I mean so much of the content, most of it really. Was produced under Iger.

What did Chapek specifically push forward that Iger did not already greenlight into production in those two and a half years he held the job?

Wandavision and other shows were being filmed in November 2019 in Gerogia. He was not going to stop all of that.

And even if he did, that was still Bob Iger's plan.

Where did you say "ugly" in this thread and in what context? Maybe you're confusing this thread with another one where you made that comment, but it wasn't here.

There is clearly no evidence that Iger specifically told Chapek or was part of any plan Iger made to stop the Disney Vault releases, you make it seem like he said - "Hey Bobby C. I know you are taking over and have all the decision making powers, but I don't want you put any more of that Disney Vault stuff onto Disney+ ok. I know Bobby, we promised it and have been doing it for 3 months, but I just don't feel like it anymore."

Its clear you want to blame Iger for everything wrong with Disney+, again your prerogative. In my opinion, if there is blame to be doled out then it should be to the person who was in charge at that time, which is Chapek.

 

[celluloid]

Where did you say "ugly" in this thread and in what context?

Iger's mess was originally Iger's ugly mess before I edited. Bob Chapek did not decide to produce a bunch of expensive original content. That was Iger ignoring all the problems Neflix had with hgih production value shows of Marvel prior to Disney Plus that did not make a profit.

The rest, I don't even know where to go with that.

Who got the losing money content ready for Chapek?


I don't really want to blame anyone. But dang, who is Chapek's trainer huh? That is who Bob Iger selected to take over.

 

[Disney Irish]

Iger's mess was originally Iger's ugly mess before I edited.

Its hard to then follow a conversation if you continue use context clues that you removed from your posts.

The rest, I don't even know where to go with that.

Who got the losing money content ready for Chapek?


I don't really want to blame anyone. But dang, who is Chapek's trainer huh? That is who Bob Iger selected to take over.

You make it seem like Chapek did nothing, that he just executed a plan set by Iger with no changes. That is clearly not what happened. Because unless Iger foresaw the pandemic 1-2 years ahead of time, then clearly changes had to be made. So this idea that Chapek was simply just a puppet following Iger's orders is flawed. Also what this discussion was all about was the Disney Vault classic not new content being made, so don't know why you keep bringing up what new content that was greenit under Iger.

The Disney Vault was being released regularly to Disney+ the first 3 months while Iger was in charge. It only stopped after Iger left when Chapek took over. If you want to blame Iger for that, even when he wasn't there, ok again your prerogative. To me its clear that decision was made by Chapek. So lets just agree to disagree on this point and move on.

 

[celluloid]

Its hard to then follow a conversation if you continue use context clues that you removed from your posts.

Removing the adjective of ugly from "ugly mess" did not change the meaning to confuse anyone. I edited one word. I don't know what you are going on about.

 

[Disney Irish]

Removing the adjective of ugly from "ugly mess" did not change the meaning to confuse anyone. I edited one word. I don't know what you are going on about.

It does when you say this:

When I said ugly, I did not mean the interface or infastructure.

There is a whole context missing when you removed "ugly" from your previous post and then continued to use it in this one as if I or anyone else knew what you were talking about. There is no other context clues to indicate what you were talking about here.

 

[celluloid]

It does when you say this:



There is a whole context missing when you removed "ugly" and then continued to use it as if I or anyone else knew what you were talking about. There is no other context clues to indicate what you were talking about here.

You are the one that went on about the interface and how it all looks on displays and menus.

I was just trying to keep up wherever it is you were going with that. I also explained myself and it is merely an adjective that was edited out of redundancy purposes as mess is a synonym enough. That was a bit ago man, but you are dwelling on that is just harassment at this point.

 

[Disney Irish]

You are the one that went on about the interface and how it all looks on displays and menus.

I was just trying to keep up wherever it is you were going with that. I also explained myself, but you are dwelling on that is just harassment at this point.

Nice deflection, but its not harassment.

Also I already suggested we agree to disagree. You're the one that is going on about this. So have a good day where ever you may be.

 

[celluloid]

Nice deflection, but its not harassment.

Also I already suggested we agree to disagree. You're the one that is going on about this. So have a good day where ever you may be.

No deflection. I did not continue to remove anything. I removed the word "ugly" from "Iger's Ugly Mess" one time. I explained myself many posts ago on what word I edited which shows you where and you go on to bring it up as if I continually do it.
When you posted
That is what makes it harassment.

You want to blame just Bob Chapek, so it is just as reasonable that I want to blame both. Because most of the money loss is on the original content that Bob Iger greenlit and was over by the time it aired under Chapek's time, I think it is fair to call the parts of DIsney Plus that are a mess Iger's too. If you don't that is fine.

 

[Disney Irish]

You want to blame just Bob Chapek, so it is just as reasonable that I want to blame both. Because most of the money loss is on the original content that Bob Iger greenlit and was over by the time it aired under Chapek's time, I think it is fair to call the parts of DIsney Plus that are a mess Iger's too. If you don't that is fine.

Some decisions about Disney+ were made under Iger, some were made under Chapek especially during the pandemic. I've never claimed that every decision made about Disney+ was all under Chapek, I agree there is blame on both of them about where things are now.

However this discussion was about the Disney Vault content or lack of Disney Vault content being released to Disney+ only, not all decisions about Disney+. So I'm just calling a spade a spade here, under Iger the plan was to release Disney Vault content regularly and for the first 3 months while under Iger that appeared to be the case. After Iger left and Chapek took over that plan no longer appeared to be the case anymore. Was it changed by Chapek, or was it always part of Iger's to stop the Disney Vault releases? That I don't know and if you want to blame Iger, again your prerogative, I'm of the opinion based on who was in charge that it was Chapek that made that decision to change the plan. Either way it happened. All we can do now is to wait and see if Iger will restart the Disney Vault releases or not. Beyond that its just best to end this and agree to disagree.

I'll let you have the final word on this and be done with it. Again have a good day where ever you may be.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

How about the Disney Vault on D+ plan doesn’t happen, and Iger instead removes some, if not most, original shows (basically one season wonders) from the streamer for tax purposes! WBD and now Paramount have been doing it! Streaming services can go rot because of that!

 

[The Mom]

If the bickering continues, privileges to post will be suspended. Fair warning.

 

[Disney Irish]

How about the Disney Vault on D+ plan doesn’t happen, and Iger instead removes some, if not most, original shows (basically one season wonders) from the streamer for tax purposes! WBD and now Paramount have been doing it! Streaming services can go rot because of that!

If that day comes when the service "rots" because of removal of content whomever is CEO, Iger included, will have to deal with whatever fall out comes from it. However with that said they already have removed content from Disney+ for contractual reasons over the last 3 years. Some examples are the X-Men movies and Rookie of the Year, which are going to Starz for 2023 and will return in 2024. And so far it has done nothing to the service or the number of subs it has.