SeaCastle
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Did you see that stewardess's nametag? It had purple on it to match the rest of the cabin!
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Did you see that stewardess's nametag? It had purple on it to match the rest of the cabin!
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Her top is well made given the stress the buttons are under.
disneydevil1
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50 to 1 odds you never get a flight attendent like that on Virgin....just saying.
TP2000
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Well, here we go again. There's actually not enough room at WDW to handle D23 Expo in its current form. Not by a long shot.
Ready for the numbers again gang? Maybe we need a snack before we do this again? Oh, stewardess, could you come by with the tray of those Virgin America mini shrimp cocktail things for my other friends here while I prepare the D23 Expo facts?...
The D23 Expo held in September, 2009 used most of the Anaheim Convention Center, with the lone exception of Exhibit Hall D that's about 215,000 square feet.
That left the D23 Expo contained wholly inside the Anaheim Convention Center with a footprint of about 800,000 square feet, with room to grow in the future into Exhibit Hall D, and/or across the street onto Disney property in the few hundred thousand feet of convention space at the Disneyland Hotel and Disney's Grand Californian Hotel.
Here's the amount of space the Anaheim Convention Center has, of which D23 used pretty much everything except the 215,000 square feet of untouched exhibit space in Hall D.
Anaheim Convention Center: 1.15 Million Square Feet
Exhibit Halls - 815,000 Square Feet
Ballrooms - 130,000 Square Feet
Lobby/Arrival Lounge - 200,000 Square Feet
Anaheim Arena - 10,000 seats
Even using about 800,000 square feet in '09 with room to grow, that's more than twice the amount of space all of the dedicated WDW convention hotels have combined. Here's the breakdown of those five hotel convention facilities added up;
WDW Convention Facilities Combined: 365,000 Square Feet
(Combined convention spaces of Contemporary, Boardwalk, Grand Floridian, Beach & Yacht Club, and Coronado Springs)
Exhibit Halls - 180,000 Square Feet
Ballrooms - 120,000 Square Feet
Lobbies/Arrival Lounges - 65,000 Square Feet
And again that's not under one roof, but split up all over property across five hotels that are several miles apart from each other. No meeting planner worth their wireless headset would want to try and manage the logistics for an event spread out like that. It would totally kill the vibe and purpose and energy for the event. Not to mention create logistical nightmares.
Now, as has been suggested, you could try and use some unused space inside the various WDW theme parks for some D23 Expo stuff, to try and gain more space. The top candidates, and largest buildings, are Millenium Village and Wonders of Life in Epcot. They used the 10,000 seat Anaheim Arena located at the Anaheim Convention Center for keynote speeches and major multimedia presentations. The Anaheim Arena is the space where Jay Rasulo announced the Fantasyland Expansion to the world, for example. The closest thing to that big venue at WDW would be Soundstage 1, at less than a tenth the seating capacity with 900 seats.
Additional theme park space for WDW;
Millenium Village - 60,000 Square Feet
Wonders of Life - 90,000 Square Feet
Soundstage 1 - 900 Seats
So now you've maxed out every convention hotel and every big empty building on WDW property, and you've got a collection of 515,000 square feet of space and a theater that seats 900. Which gives us this basic rundown of space available in Anaheim vs. WDW, give or take a ballroom or two. :lol:
Walt Disney World (Divided between five hotels and two theme parks)
Exhibit Halls - 330,000 Square Feet
Ballrooms - 120,000 Square Feet
Lobbies/Arrival Lounges - 65,000 Square Feet
Keynote Arena - 900 Seats
Anaheim Convention Center D23 Expo 2009
Exhibit Halls - 600,000 Square Feet (215,000 SF Hall D unused)
Ballrooms - 130,000 Square Feet
Lobby/Arrival Lounge - 200,000 Square Feet
Keynote Arena - 10,000 Seats
I think the best thing WDW locals should hope for is an event at the biggest convention facility on WDW property, the Coronado Springs Resort. They could host a D23 Destination D weekend conference like the one this month at the Disneyland Hotel Convention Center. This WDW Destination D could be held in 2011 to help celebrate the 40th Anniversary, and hopefully launch some of the next big concepts coming to the WDW parks that started this thread.
TP2000
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We were trying to get Disneydevil1 from Orlando to the next D23 Expo in Anaheim for $129 each way, non stop. :lol:
All so he could be there to see the next big concepts rolled out for WDW theme parks!
_Scar
Active Member
OCCC....
& Why does it have to be a traditional convention in such an unconventional space? Theme parks can easily hold speaking events and such in theaters or outdoor settings. & those convention centers on property can fit a ton- you'd be surprised what one can do with limited space (Disneyland
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& Why does it have to be a traditional convention in such an unconventional space? Theme parks can easily hold speaking events and such in theaters or outdoor settings. & those convention centers on property can fit a ton- you'd be surprised what one can do with limited space (Disneyland
)this is silly. For those saying they should only do it out on the west coast your wrong.
Look at all major conventions. You have comic con. it isn't just in San Diego its in 3-4 other major citys and is thriving. New York comic con is entering its 5th year and is taking over more and more of the javits center. PAX extended with pax east which was huge and attracted more people then the first 4 years of seatle pax.
I think if Disney did it in Orlando also (have two conventions each year) they would make a ton of money. There is no reason not to have it even if they need to ship people to another convention site. Guess what people drive to disney. If there is any outside convention site no one will drive to disney and expect disney to ship them there. people will simply drive , taxi , bus it or walk it to the other place.
Look at all major conventions. You have comic con. it isn't just in San Diego its in 3-4 other major citys and is thriving. New York comic con is entering its 5th year and is taking over more and more of the javits center. PAX extended with pax east which was huge and attracted more people then the first 4 years of seatle pax.
I think if Disney did it in Orlando also (have two conventions each year) they would make a ton of money. There is no reason not to have it even if they need to ship people to another convention site. Guess what people drive to disney. If there is any outside convention site no one will drive to disney and expect disney to ship them there. people will simply drive , taxi , bus it or walk it to the other place.
disneydevil1
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Well, here we go again. There's actually not enough room at WDW to handle D23 Expo in its current form. Not by a long shot.
Ready for the numbers again gang? Maybe we need a snack before we do this again? Oh, stewardess, could you come by with the tray of those Virgin America mini shrimp cocktail things for my other friends here while I prepare the D23 Expo facts?...
The D23 Expo held in September, 2009 used most of the Anaheim Convention Center, with the lone exception of Exhibit Hall D that's about 215,000 square feet.
That left the D23 Expo contained wholly inside the Anaheim Convention Center with a footprint of about 800,000 square feet, with room to grow in the future into Exhibit Hall D, and/or across the street onto Disney property in the few hundred thousand feet of convention space at the Disneyland Hotel and Disney's Grand Californian Hotel.
Here's the amount of space the Anaheim Convention Center has, of which D23 used pretty much everything except the 215,000 square feet of untouched exhibit space in Hall D.
Anaheim Convention Center: 1.15 Million Square Feet
Exhibit Halls - 815,000 Square Feet
Ballrooms - 130,000 Square Feet
Lobby/Arrival Lounge - 200,000 Square Feet
Anaheim Arena - 10,000 seats
Even using about 800,000 square feet in '09 with room to grow, that's more than twice the amount of space all of the dedicated WDW convention hotels have combined. Here's the breakdown of those five hotel convention facilities added up;
WDW Convention Facilities Combined: 365,000 Square Feet
(Combined convention spaces of Contemporary, Boardwalk, Grand Floridian, Beach & Yacht Club, and Coronado Springs)
Exhibit Halls - 180,000 Square Feet
Ballrooms - 120,000 Square Feet
Lobbies/Arrival Lounges - 65,000 Square Feet
And again that's not under one roof, but split up all over property across five hotels that are several miles apart from each other. No meeting planner worth their wireless headset would want to try and manage the logistics for an event spread out like that. It would totally kill the vibe and purpose and energy for the event. Not to mention create logistical nightmares.
Now, as has been suggested, you could try and use some unused space inside the various WDW theme parks for some D23 Expo stuff, to try and gain more space. The top candidates, and largest buildings, are Millenium Village and Wonders of Life in Epcot. They used the 10,000 seat Anaheim Arena located at the Anaheim Convention Center for keynote speeches and major multimedia presentations. The Anaheim Arena is the space where Jay Rasulo announced the Fantasyland Expansion to the world, for example. The closest thing to that big venue at WDW would be Soundstage 1, at less than a tenth the seating capacity with 900 seats.
Additional theme park space for WDW;
Millenium Village - 60,000 Square Feet
Wonders of Life - 90,000 Square Feet
Soundstage 1 - 900 Seats
So now you've maxed out every convention hotel and every big empty building on WDW property, and you've got a collection of 515,000 square feet of space and a theater that seats 900. Which gives us this basic rundown of space available in Anaheim vs. WDW, give or take a ballroom or two. :lol:
Walt Disney World (Divided between five hotels and two theme parks)
Exhibit Halls - 330,000 Square Feet
Ballrooms - 120,000 Square Feet
Lobbies/Arrival Lounges - 65,000 Square Feet
Keynote Arena - 900 Seats
Anaheim Convention Center D23 Expo 2009
Exhibit Halls - 600,000 Square Feet (215,000 SF Hall D unused)
Ballrooms - 130,000 Square Feet
Lobby/Arrival Lounge - 200,000 Square Feet
Keynote Arena - 10,000 Seats
I think the best thing WDW locals should hope for is an event at the biggest convention facility on WDW property, the Coronado Springs Resort. They could host a D23 Destination D weekend conference like the one this month at the Disneyland Hotel Convention Center. This WDW Destination D could be held in 2011 to help celebrate the 40th Anniversary, and hopefully launch some of the next big concepts coming to the WDW parks that started this thread.
Once again you are wrong, especially since you are also leaving out Wide World of Sports, the International Pavilion, and many other places in WDW. IT CAN HAPPEN WITH EASE, YOUR OPINION IS WRONG, SORRY BUT ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.
And once again why should the WDW fans be treated like second class citizens?
Do you get tired of being wrong?
disneydevil1
New Member
I can see it already....next big concept for DL, FIVE NEW AMAZING INVENTIVE RIDES......next big concept for WDW, GETTING RID OF TOT AND RRC AND REPLACING THEM WITH PRINCESS MEET AND GREETS.
disneydevil1
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TP2000
Well-Known Member
If you can't understand the basic statistics and facts laid out in this thread, perhaps this thought might be more sobering...
The executive leadership of The Walt Disney Company disagrees with you. They have a contract to have the D23 Expo at the Anaheim Convention Center through 2015. And they have made no attempt to host anything more than a D23 social mixer on WDW property. Meanwhile, they host things like the big D23 Disneyland Destination D weekend conference at the Disneyland Hotel this month, in an "off year" while they get ready for another big D23 Expo next August at the Anaheim Convention Center. http://d23.disney.go.com/expo/031010_EE_DestinationD.html
It's been made quite clear that D23, and the Walt Disney Company executives who control that division of the company, don't have much interest in shipping anything more than a case of buttons out to Walt Disney World.
disneydevil1
New Member
If you can't understand the basic statistics and facts laid out in this thread, perhaps this thought might be more sobering...
The executive leadership of The Walt Disney Company disagrees with you. They have a contract to have the D23 Expo at the Anaheim Convention Center through 2015. And they have made no attempt to host anything more than a D23 social mixer on WDW property. Meanwhile, they host things like the big D23 Disneyland Destination D weekend conference at the Disneyland Hotel this month, in an "off year" while they get ready for another big D23 Expo next August at the Anaheim Convention Center. http://d23.disney.go.com/expo/031010_EE_DestinationD.html
It's been made quite clear that D23, and the Walt Disney Company executives who control that division of the company, don't have much interest in shipping anything more than a case of buttons out to Walt Disney World.
You mean the basic statistics that prove that you are wrong? Maybe you should go back to class....because you continue to prove that you do not know what you are talking about.
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
Am I imagining this, or was the plan for Florida's (maybe, someday) forthcoming high speed rail to have stops at the Orlando CC as well as at WDW? Assuming that thing ever gets built, that could solve the problem of transporting people between those two sites.
So...maybe in another 10-15 years, we could see a D23 in Florida, with the rail project solving the biggest problems we're talking about here. Remember, you heard it here first.
So...maybe in another 10-15 years, we could see a D23 in Florida, with the rail project solving the biggest problems we're talking about here. Remember, you heard it here first.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Am I imagining this, or was the plan for Florida's (maybe, someday) forthcoming high speed rail to have stops at the Orlando CC as well as at WDW? Assuming that thing ever gets built, that could solve the problem of transporting people between those two sites.
So...maybe in another 10-15 years, we could see a D23 in Florida, with the rail project solving the biggest problems we're talking about here. Remember, you heard it here first.
The facts don't support that dream, unfortunately.
Florida high speed rail authorities anticipate transporting around 5,000 riders per day between Tampa and Orlando at initial startup, and the system is being designed for such an optimistic passenger load. Assuming that D23 Expo does not grow beyond the 40,000 people that attended it with 3 months notice in its first year in 2009, you'd need to move 80,000 people per day on the train in order to get convention attendees back and forth each day to the Expo.
A big Eurostar train is designed to carry 550 people in a two-class service between the two huge cities of Paris and London; cities that are many times more massive and globally more important than Tampa and Orlando. (And two cities that also don't have an 8 lane freeway like I-4 running between them.) Just pretend for fun that Florida High Speed Rail launches with a fleet of ultra-high capacity Eurostar style trains that seat 550 people, instead of the more modestly sized trains that seat 200 or 250.
With those big Eurostar trains you would need 40 trains per day shuttling between WDW and OCCC to transport just one half of the 40,000 D23 Expo attendees. London to Paris service on Eurostar, after 15+ years of growth, still only uses 20 trains per day on that highest demand route. Just 10 Eurostar trains per day travel beyond Paris and on to Brussels.
And in this bizarre ultra-high capacity D23 Expo shuttle mode, no one else would be allowed to travel on the Florida system between those two stops due to the capacity load; no local travelers or other tourists, only D23Expo attendees.
If and when Florida High Speed Rail becomes a reality, and if and when Disney decides to try a D23 Expo at the Orlando Convention Center for whatever reason, the high speed rail would only be accomodating a very tiny portion of the D23 Expo attendees in all reality.
Remember, you heard it here first.
MarkTwain
Well-Known Member
Yes, please!
:ROFLOL:
Hey, there's more of them! I call dibs on this one.
I'm talking about the shrimp puffs, of course.
Another serious logistical problem I see with the convention is getting all the VIPs over to the East coast. Getting Iger, Lasseter, and Johnny Depp to show up to a short little event in Anaheim is easy when they all live within a few miles anyway... getting them to fly and spend multiple nights on the opposite coast is another matter. Then you have things like shipping the massive Carsland model, the AA models they displayed last year (Wall-E, Abe Lincoln, the Cars AAs), and anything from the Disney Vault they decide to put out. And this is assuming, of course, there is the necessary architectural capacity, and the population to support such a convention. Which I'm not convinced.
I don't see it leaving the West Coast for the time being...
lebeau
Well-Known Member
Those are some mighty tasty-looking puffs, my friend.
This thread makes me want to book a flight somewhere far away.
_Scar
Active Member
If you can't understand the basic statistics and facts laid out in this thread, perhaps this thought might be more sobering...
The executive leadership of The Walt Disney Company disagrees with you. They have a contract to have the D23 Expo at the Anaheim Convention Center through 2015. And they have made no attempt to host anything more than a D23 social mixer on WDW property. Meanwhile, they host things like the big D23 Disneyland Destination D weekend conference at the Disneyland Hotel this month, in an "off year" while they get ready for another big D23 Expo next August at the Anaheim Convention Center. http://d23.disney.go.com/expo/031010_EE_DestinationD.html
It's been made quite clear that D23, and the Walt Disney Company executives who control that division of the company, don't have much interest in shipping anything more than a case of buttons out to Walt Disney World.
How do you know what goes on behind closed doors? I bet they forced Disney to have a 5 year contract if anything. :shrug:
You seem like a hardcore numbers guy, but it's really much more than that. Do you not see it?
If you can't understand the basic statistics and facts laid out in this thread, perhaps this thought might be more sobering...
The executive leadership of The Walt Disney Company disagrees with you. They have a contract to have the D23 Expo at the Anaheim Convention Center through 2015. And they have made no attempt to host anything more than a D23 social mixer on WDW property. Meanwhile, they host things like the big D23 Disneyland Destination D weekend conference at the Disneyland Hotel this month, in an "off year" while they get ready for another big D23 Expo next August at the Anaheim Convention Center. http://d23.disney.go.com/expo/031010_EE_DestinationD.html
It's been made quite clear that D23, and the Walt Disney Company executives who control that division of the company, don't have much interest in shipping anything more than a case of buttons out to Walt Disney World.
the statstics used in this thread aren't proper statistics because they fail to take into account other con's used on the east coast and turn out numbers. the fact is that con's on the east coast are quickly able to catch up with con's started on the west coast decades ago.
The executive staff at Disney are not Gods they are not perfect and just because they have a contract to have it on the west coast doesn't mean that before the date the contract ends they can't set up Con's in other area's.
But your right the D23 club is a joke and is a waste for anyone outside of Disney land. I wrote a complaint letter earlier this year and was told that exciting things were coming for Walt Disney World later this year and so far all we've gotten is a discount at the house of blues and the last flight to Endor. its most likely time for another letter from me and a cancelation notice because its simply not worth the money and its shamefull that a huge coperation like Disney can not provide balanced experiance for thier fans