Could Disney treat Seven Seas Lagoon and Bay Lake with Chloramine?

[Moniemon97]

I would rather have some rides updated than have Disney waste money on chemicals for a lake that most people wouldn't even use.

 

[rkelly42]

Sorry.

It is just amazing how many people actually believe the water park was closed due to an amoeba. It is simply not true. One incident in 1980 and the park remained open for 21 more years. River country used filtered and treated water from Bay Lake but was not directly open to the lake.

I do not even believe the op made any reference to river country at any time. So to blame it on people using the excuse of that is what closed river country is nonsense. Next time maybe don't jump down the op throat.

 

[NormC]

I do not even believe the op made any reference to river country at any time. So to blame it on people using the excuse of that is what closed river country is nonsense. Next time maybe don't jump down the op throat.

We have moved on. Thanks for your criticism. It has been duly noted. No blame was placed.

 

[taz0162]

Concerning that you cannot swim in these lakes due to brain eating amoebas.
Chloramine is used to treat drinking water, so why couldn't Disney World
just treat these lakes with Chloramine, which does kill dangerous bacteria and
amoeba.

I am not exactly sure how it would effect Gators though, but I can't imagine they
would like it much.

I suppose it might make it possible to allow swimming again in these lakes.

Sooooo...If we were to eliminate the brain eating amoebas you are suggesting that we would be fine to swim with the gators??? lol

 

[ExtinctJenn]

Sooooo...If we were to eliminate the brain eating amoebas you are suggesting that we would be fine to swim with the gators??? lol

Why not? They are just animatronic anyway right?

 

[fngoofy]

What about Chloroform?

 

[taz0162]

Why not? They are just animatronic anyway right?

But you can get a really good picture if you get a little closer to one. Or a video that will go viral. lol

 

[MaryJaneP]

..... Bay Lake but was not directly open to the lake.

Not my recollection and I was there plenty of times. Unless my eyes and numerous home movies and videos are mistaken, Bay Lake fed directly and without treatment into the "lagoon" part of River Country. The pools were apparently on their own treatment/filter system. The big slides, and the beach, and the rope areas were all in the lagoon area. Waves from Bay Lake made it into the lagoon area. Guess the amoeba would need to surf the waves in.

 

[tahqa]

Not my recollection and I was there plenty of times. Unless my eyes and numerous home movies and videos are mistaken, Bay Lake fed directly and without treatment into the "lagoon" part of River Country. The pools were apparently on their own treatment/filter system. The big slides, and the beach, and the rope areas were all in the lagoon area. Waves from Bay Lake made it into the lagoon area. Guess the amoeba would need to surf the waves in.

No, there was essentially an inflatable bladder that kept the water level in River Country higher than that of Bay Lake. Water was pumped in from Bay Lake, filtered and then fed in from the top of the slides. As the water level got higher than the bladder it flowed back into Bay Lake. It is important to remember that the water was filtered, not chemically treated.

I heard, at one point, that Florida had passed a law requiring all water parks to use treated, municipal, water and that River Country couldn't meet that law. I've never been able to find evidence of that, though.

 

[MaryJaneP]

No, there was essentially an inflatable bladder that kept the water level in River Country higher than that of Bay Lake. Water was pumped in from Bay Lake, filtered and then fed in from the top of the slides. As the water level got higher than the bladder it flowed back into Bay Lake. It is important to remember that the water was filtered, not chemically treated.

I heard, at one point, that Florida had passed a law requiring all water parks to use treated, municipal, water and that River Country couldn't meet that law. I've never been able to find evidence of that, though.

Thanks. Learned a new thing today. Never saw the inflatable bladder, but your point is well made. Maybe I will see it in the movies and videos if I look more closely.

 

[ExtinctJenn]

No, there was essentially an inflatable bladder that kept the water level in River Country higher than that of Bay Lake. Water was pumped in from Bay Lake, filtered and then fed in from the top of the slides. As the water level got higher than the bladder it flowed back into Bay Lake. It is important to remember that the water was filtered, not chemically treated.

Where in this photo would the bladder have been? I see what appears to be a roped off section to the right with a buoy on it but it doesn't appear to be a difference in water level at all.

 

[Nubs70]

Chloramines are formed through the combination of chlorine compounds and ammonia compounds. For example, mixing sodium hypochlorite with ammonium sulfate in a 3:1 ratio under 20 psi pressure. The pressure serves to dissolve the chloramine in the carrying water. The ratio serves to maximize the creation of monochloramines (MCA) instead of the less efficient di and tri chloramines.

The main advantage of monochloramine is it is an effective biocide while not as reactive as hypochlorite. Chloramines can only be smelled in concentrations over about 1ppm residual while effective treatment can be achieved with as little as 0.1 to 0.2 ppm residual. The use chloramine to treat large bodies of water would be insanely expensive. However, MCA would be ideal for closed loop water systems such as rides and fountains. This method of water treatment would allow for proper biological control without corroding metal parts of animatronics

 

[EpcoTim]

Chloramines are formed through the combination of chlorine compounds and ammonia compounds. For example, mixing sodium hypochlorite with ammonium sulfate in a 3:1 ratio under 20 psi pressure. The pressure serves to dissolve the chloramine in the carrying water. The ratio serves to maximize the creation of monochloramines (MCA) instead of the less efficient di and tri chloramines.

The main advantage of monochloramine is it is an effective biocide while not as reactive as hypochlorite. Chloramines can only be smelled in concentrations over about 1ppm residual while effective treatment can be achieved with as little as 0.1 to 0.2 ppm residual. The use chloramine to test large bodies of water would be insanely expensive. However, MCA would be ideal for closed loop water systems such as rides and fountains. This method of water treatment would allow for proper biological control without corroding metal parts of animations.

Those kind of look like Mouse ears, right?

 

[tahqa]

Where in this photo would the bladder have been? I see what appears to be a roped off section to the right with a buoy on it but it doesn't appear to be a difference in water level at all.

The bladder was under the bridge on the right side. When you walked across the bridge you were basically walking across the bladder. The difference in height was something like 6 inches to a foot.

*edit* there is more information here -- http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com/id220.htm

 

[FettFan]

I know this is Disney we're talking about here, but this couldn't possibly be legal.

 

[fngoofy]

The bladder was under the bridge on the right side. When you walked across the bridge you were basically walking across the bladder. The difference in height was something like 6 inches to a foot.

*edit* there is more information here -- http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com/id220.htm

If I remember correctly, the "Bladder" was only for wake purposes, not to keep out the lake water. The non-pool part of River Country (the part seen in the above photo) was lake water.

 

[Goofyernmost]

If I remember correctly, the "Bladder" was only for wake purposes, not to keep out the lake water. The non-pool part of River Country (the part seen in the above photo) was lake water.

I believe it was stated that it was lake water. But, it was filtered lake water not chemically treated. The pool, of course, was treated and I don't know if it came from the lake originally or not. The bladder prevented unfiltered lake water from entering the swimming area either by wake or otherwise.

 

[unkadug]

Disney should:

1. drain both Bay lake and Seven Seas Lagoon
2. pour a pant load of concrete on the lakes bottoms and sides
   
3. add a few pieces of rebar to stabilize it
   
4. seal off the feeding streams
   
5. fill it back up from the garden hose

Put in your typical pool filtering system and voila....brand new lakesize pools for everyone to use with no brain eating parasites

 

[Goofyernmost]

Nature sucks and is sometimes very, very uncooperative. Bring on the concrete lakes. Caution however, Alligators have been known to kinda like backyard pools.

 

[FettFan]

Disney should:

1. drain both Bay lake and Seven Seas Lagoon
2. pour a pant load of concrete on the lakes bottoms and sides
   
3. add a few pieces of rebar to stabilize it
   
4. seal off the feeding streams
   
5. fill it back up from the garden hose

Put in your typical pool filtering system and voila....brand new lakesize pools for everyone to use with no brain eating parasites

Better yet....turn it into the world's largest saltwater aquarium, complete with artificial reefs, free-floating Nautilus sub tours, snorkeling excursions, and a new wave machine.

Plenty of room for the dolphins and manatees. No more depression