Could a New Park be on the Horizon?

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
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Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Do they draw enough guests to WDW to support a new park? YES! We all know all parks are now mobbed all year round! Will they spend the money to build a new park at WDW? That's a big No!

I would love to see a new park at WDW, if just to lower the crowding across all parks, but the best we will see at WDW is toy story land and and Star Wars land.

The blue sky re do of EPCOT is not going to happen. My hope is they continue to make additions like thay are doing across the resort, like Guardians and France and really looking forward to TRON
 

phillip9698

Well-Known Member
Unless a lot changes, I truly doubt that they will build a 5th gate ever. People, in this country, don't have that kind of time. Four Parks is a reasonable number that allows them to see most of WDW and still have travel time involved. Not to mention the justifiable increase in ticket prices when it is borderline impossible for a whole lot of people right now. They still have plenty of room to add attractions if they wish. The don't seem to have been wishing to do so until recently and I would be surprised if they did again in the near future.

People definitely have time, it's just that currently people fit in a Universal or Sea World day into their Disney trips, sometimes both. Disney could try and keep those people in house for one more day and eliminate one of those outside ventures. I doubt they will though as their current parks could use a lot of work.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
People definitely have time, it's just that currently people fit in a Universal or Sea World day into their Disney trips, sometimes both. Disney could try and keep those people in house for one more day and eliminate one of those outside ventures. I doubt they will though as their current parks could use a lot of work.
Could be, I don't know everyone in the country, but, those that I do know are limited in time that they can be away from work without being concerned about someone noticing that they are expendable. It is our current culture. Maybe you have the time and that is because to you Disney is the end all. People like myself, explore and take in other things whether they be Uni, or SeaWorld or Gatorland or Kennedy Space Center or the Sunshine Bridge in Tampa or just all the little attractions just in a five mile radius of WDW. For those of us that do feel that there are other things worth experiencing would feel an even bigger tug away from the place due to the guaranteed increase in pricing that a 5th park would bring and the loss of time needed to explore the rest of our world. Not to mention just the increased cost of extending the vacation just one day would be a game killer for a lot of people. Plus, like you said, they need to spend a lot more money in the parks that they currently have. Until those are at capacity... the idea of a 5th gate seems like just another spread of resources needed elsewhere.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Do they draw enough guests to WDW to support a new park? YES!

I would contend, 'no.'

In the 5th park thread that uses facts and figures, it's clear to see that DHS, AK, and Epcot fail to draw people away from the MK. Unless the 5th Gate is clearly superior to these three and as good as MK, it won't clear out the log jam that is MK.

The best bet is to just keep adding attractions, especially family friendly ones, to the other three until they can make a dent in MK. Then, when that happens, you can judge if a 5th Gate is needed.

See here: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...theme-park-by-2025.893463/page-4#post-8269130
 

World_Showcase_Lover007

Well-Known Member
I have a hard time understanding that line of logic. Disney, from the beginning with the exception of a few cartoons and cartoon characters almost always used someone else's creative properties to twist it into a Disney Movie, Animation or theme park ride. Disney didn't invent Cinderella, Snow White, Pinocchio, Brer Rabbit, Magical Nannies, 20K leagues under the sea, roller coasters, trains, boats, Monorails, imagination, sea life, energy, automobiles, and the list goes on and on. They were someone else's creations and Disney expanded and brought those ideas to life. A great task but that is where the innovation came in. They didn't invent computers, film, theater, movies or sound systems... they just figured out a way to use them better. Acquiring IP's is hardly a new thing. Yes, they did come up with new ways to display it, like Imagination, CoP, (speaking of which, Disney didn't invent history, they just found a very creative way to showcase it.) They still do that no matter what particular (dirty word coming up) IP they happen to obtain to use as a base for entertainment.

All that the additional Intellectual Properties they acquire can and probably will become a wealth of innovative and spectacular shows, movies and, yes, theme park attractions. Creative people are movable. They can transfer from one organization to another without losing that creativity. It is silly to think that it matters.

We simply have a differing logic. I see a difference between adapting characters from existing stories like Snow White, etc. and making them your own, as opposed to acquiring an already established IP like Bart Simpson, Star Wars, etc. and now saying “here’s some Disney characters for ya.”
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
Hopefully not. Develop MK, EC, DHS, and DAK properly for another 10-15 years and we'll see if a 5th gate is beneficial. Could they have a 5th park? Sure, but it'd hurt Epcot, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom far more than it would Magic Kingdom, and the one with the crowds issue is Magic Kingdom. Honestly, until a 5th park gets a bigger "pretty" castle it ain't touching MK aka Mickey's Kingdom. I say this with DAK as my favorite.
 

SteveAZee

Premium Member
Here's the famous Fox properties. IMO, there's no way they could support a *Disney* theme park because the properties are too adult, not suited for theme-parkification, or just a lower quality than similar Disney IPs which haven't even been fully utilized yet. Though, it might make for a good competition in the Imagineering section of the forums to try. Also, we don't know if Fox had the theme park rights to all these IPs. Film rights don't always equal theme park rights.

FOX

Anastasia
Titan A.E.
Fern Gully
Ice Age
Rio
Robots
Fantastic Mr. Fox
Book of Life
Alvin and the Chipmunks
Marmaduke
Night at the Museum
Percy Jackson
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
X-Men & Fanastic 4 (can't be used in Orlando)

Simpsons
King of the Hill
Family guy
Futurama
American Dad
Dude, Where’s My Car
Malcolm in the Middle
Home Alone
Second City TV

Alien & Predator
Legion
Independence Day
Planet of the Apes
Buffy
The Day the Earth Stood Still

Mary Tyler Moore Show
Bob Newhart
WKRP
Hill Street Blues
MASH
Doogie Howser

Miracle on 34th Street
Lifeboat
The Three Faces of Eve
Titanic
Cast Away
The Martian

South Pacific
The Sound of Music
Hello Dolly!
Oklahoma
Carousel
Daddy Long Legs
The King and I
Glee

Young Frankenstein
Rocky Horror Picture Show
12 Years a Slave
Fight Club
Marley & Me
It’s Always Sunny
Archer
Deadpool
Arrested Development

Recreate scenes from all of these and put it in The Great Fox Ride at Hollywood Studios.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
I would contend, 'no.'

In the 5th park thread that uses facts and figures, it's clear to see that DHS, AK, and Epcot fail to draw people away from the MK. Unless the 5th Gate is clearly superior to these three and as good as MK, it won't clear out the log jam that is MK.

The best bet is to just keep adding attractions, especially family friendly ones, to the other three until they can make a dent in MK. Then, when that happens, you can judge if a 5th Gate is needed.

See here: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...theme-park-by-2025.893463/page-4#post-8269130

Yes, my opinion is not based on facts and figures. While I agree WDW will probably never have a 5th gate, the parks always seem overcrowded to me. Maybe its that they do not run the rides to capacity? Maybe its FastPass + that turned what was previously "walk on" non fast pass attractions, now attractions that NEED fastpass and have long standby lines always? I don't know, its just all the parks seen over crowded all of time.
 
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BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
Here's the famous Fox properties. IMO, there's no way they could support a *Disney* theme park because the properties are too adult, not suited for theme-parkification, or just a lower quality than similar Disney IPs which haven't even been fully utilized yet. Though, it might make for a good competition in the Imagineering section of the forums to try. Also, we don't know if Fox had the theme park rights to all these IPs. Film rights don't always equal theme park rights.

FOX

Anastasia
Titan A.E.
Fern Gully
Ice Age
Rio
Robots
Fantastic Mr. Fox
Book of Life
Alvin and the Chipmunks
Marmaduke
Night at the Museum
Percy Jackson
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
X-Men & Fanastic 4 (can't be used in Orlando)

Simpsons
King of the Hill
Family guy
Futurama
American Dad
Dude, Where’s My Car
Malcolm in the Middle
Home Alone
Second City TV

Alien & Predator
Legion
Independence Day
Planet of the Apes
Buffy
The Day the Earth Stood Still

Mary Tyler Moore Show
Bob Newhart
WKRP
Hill Street Blues
MASH
Doogie Howser

Miracle on 34th Street
Lifeboat
The Three Faces of Eve
Titanic
Cast Away
The Martian

South Pacific
The Sound of Music
Hello Dolly!
Oklahoma
Carousel
Daddy Long Legs
The King and I
Glee

Young Frankenstein
Rocky Horror Picture Show
12 Years a Slave
Fight Club
Marley & Me
It’s Always Sunny
Archer
Deadpool
Arrested Development

I would add that Deadpool can't be used in Orlando either, since he is heavily X-Men based in the comics.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Here's the famous Fox properties. IMO, there's no way they could support a *Disney* theme park because the properties are too adult, not suited for theme-parkification, or just a lower quality than similar Disney IPs which haven't even been fully utilized yet. Though, it might make for a good competition in the Imagineering section of the forums to try. Also, we don't know if Fox had the theme park rights to all these IPs. Film rights don't always equal theme park rights.

FOX

Anastasia
Titan A.E.
Fern Gully
Ice Age
Rio
Robots
Fantastic Mr. Fox
Book of Life
Alvin and the Chipmunks
Marmaduke
Night at the Museum
Percy Jackson
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
X-Men & Fanastic 4 (can't be used in Orlando)

Simpsons
King of the Hill
Family guy
Futurama
American Dad
Dude, Where’s My Car
Malcolm in the Middle
Home Alone
Second City TV

Alien & Predator
Legion
Independence Day
Planet of the Apes
Buffy
The Day the Earth Stood Still

Mary Tyler Moore Show
Bob Newhart
WKRP
Hill Street Blues
MASH
Doogie Howser

Miracle on 34th Street
Lifeboat
The Three Faces of Eve
Titanic
Cast Away
The Martian

South Pacific
The Sound of Music
Hello Dolly!
Oklahoma
Carousel
Daddy Long Legs
The King and I
Glee

Young Frankenstein
Rocky Horror Picture Show
12 Years a Slave
Fight Club
Marley & Me
It’s Always Sunny
Archer
Deadpool
Arrested Development
Here's my first thought reading your list. Such a missed opportunity for the great movie ride. A few of those movies would have been great additions. Mickey could have got his own building, the great movie ride could have had a needed update, and a park that will soon be the most unbearable place to be, could have had some needed extra capacity.
 

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