Roy G. Dis
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My dad would always say "that's not the price of a hot dog and a beer, that's the price of a hot dog and a beer at a baseball game".
People who can't understand the difference could (should?) stay home.
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Cost of going to DW waaaay too high.
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People who can't understand the difference could (should?) stay home.
Vegas Disney Fan
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If I were the CEO of Disney this is what would keep me up at night.
Most of us here probably grew up watching Uncle Walt on TV, Disney IS our childhood.
My friends kids watch Disney shows and go to the parks but I don’t see them having the same level of nostalgia that we have.
This probably explains why we are seeing more park land devoted to Star Wars, Pandora, Pixar, Marvel, etc rather than traditional Disney properties. Trying to appeal to more than just Disney fans.
Jrb1979
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Maybe but I tend to believe him. More and more people are starting to opt for something else. It's not about the money either. The amount of hoops you have to go through to enjoy a Disney vacation makes it hard to enjoy.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think if there is a movement…it’s more because of their new booking requirements combined with them not being able to return to a normal capacity operation…not necessarily the cost of value
Roy G. Dis
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Did you have a bunch of age 3+ kids in the last 7 years? What costs an extra $3700 for the exact same experience?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The ceo doesn’t stay up for anything anymore…they are overcompensated, tied to a stock that they tell the market what it’s “worth”…and get a complimentary golden parachute.
and that’s the existential threat to the parks.
“So we broke it? Who cares…it’s old anyway and I’m retiring”
Vegas Disney Fan
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I think this is where they are messing up, by eliminating the things that created perceived value.
Magical Express was a huge “free” perk to staying onsite, your bags magically appearing in your room was a big part of why the premium price was worth it.
I was never a fan of the planning aspect of FP+ but it was a great “free” perk.
This is my biggest complaint with current Disney, I don’t mind paying premium prices for a premium product but don’t nickel and dime me to death for things that should be included in that premium price.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think the poop hasn’t hit the fan on magical express yet. The management assumes that it’s like the parking fee…the experienced fans were appalled, but everyone fell in line quickly.
I think the reality of an$150-500 fee for a family of 4 to get to highly overpriced rooms for access to parks with new add on fees is gonna get more blowback. But it hasn’t happened yet. Not “real”. That’s quite a combo.
the next thing they’ll do is institute a resort fee ontop…because those chlorine tablets and wifi routers don’t pay for themselves
I bet they would have years ago if not for the large number of DVC rooms. Heck…it may be $50 a night to drive DVC sales?
…making it rain
Having just been over Thanksgiving, even my wife who even before me was a Disney Vet, agreed that they are "Jumping the Shark" with all these new charges and the insane price jumps. She loves the GF for a lot of nostalgia reasons. We could probably afford a week stay but she even agrees its WAY outta control on what they are charging and what we are getting in return. We noticed lots of things this trip and had a horrible Genie+ experience. The best meal we had was probably Biergarten on Thanksgiving day! The others were all MEH on taste and quality and we both agreed it was not what it was even in 2019. Dont get us started going further back. We are a Disney family and its bad my 18yr DD and 16 DS, remarked on how it had changed and not for the better!!
My daughter wanted to do Disney for her Graduation Trip but she says she doesnt think she wants to after our experience over Thanksgiving.
My daughter wanted to do Disney for her Graduation Trip but she says she doesnt think she wants to after our experience over Thanksgiving.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Couple things:
1. Does anyone have a doubt they’ve used the plague to further reduce the quality of food offerings in the kitchen to save bucks? If you have a doubt…you may not have a clue.
2. I have relatives who went 11/24-11/29…crowded, new “blackouts”, top dollar adds ons.
My wife heard the report yesterday and the relative in question is an ocd planning nut who also does the “our schedule is too busy so we can’t find the time to go” ego boost kinda nonsense.
Anyway…she liked it…but also loves over scheduling and Even the $92 for a party of four to ride “rise of the bad marketing angles”…on credit, of course
but when we discussed her feedback…the two of us said “sounds terrible” in unison…as if we were the binaries from Star Trek
Until I can buy a Disney ticket on resale sites last minute for $50 like I do concerts, broadway, and sporting events they are NOT comparable to disney. Also many of those events have public transit or competition for parking. Disney is way more expensive as the disney cartel only uses variable pricing to push the prices up and never down. Disney would rather sit on supply to keep prices high than have anyone think the are getting a "deal".
It is NOT a requirement for disney to suck out every last dollar possible. That is a business decision of a now short term minded company at least in the parks. There are other brands that are a way better value than disney even if they are expensive, they are just more concerned with keeping a good image with people who buy their products.
It is NOT a requirement for disney to suck out every last dollar possible. That is a business decision of a now short term minded company at least in the parks. There are other brands that are a way better value than disney even if they are expensive, they are just more concerned with keeping a good image with people who buy their products.
I would agree it was terrible. Yes we used to plan with Fastpass, but we did NOT feel like a SLAVE to a plan or a phone. We almost always booked breakfast and a dinner. Yes lots of times breakfast was character when kids were younger or stopping at GF Cafe or Kona at Poly, and my wife loves Alice and Mad Hatter so guess where our last character dining experience was (2019). But we didnt feel that ROPE DROP was that super essential to our Park day. Now hell its shoved down your throat or at least it felt like it to us, with having to be up at 7AM to try and grab a few rides we wanted. I wont recount again our HS disaster. Its did not feel like any other Disney trip we have made in our lives. And yes the Food (excluding Biergarten) was most definitely below expectations. Oops almost forgot Kringla was still the bomb.Couple things:
1. Does anyone have a doubt they’ve used the plague to further reduce the quality of food offerings in the kitchen to save bucks? If you have a doubt…you may not have a clue.
2. I have relatives who went 11/24-11/29…crowded, new “blackouts”, top dollar adds ons.
My wife heard the report yesterday and the relative in question is an ocd planning nut who also does the “our schedule is too busy so we can’t find the time to go” ego boost kinda nonsense.
Anyway…she liked it…but also loves over scheduling and Even the $92 for a party of four to ride “rise of the bad marketing angles”…on credit, of course
but when we discussed her feedback…the two of us said “sounds terrible” in unison…as if we were the binaries from Star Trek
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Sirwalterraleigh
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It’s disheartening in that I see no way I wouldn’t walk away with the same conclusions…I would agree it was terrible. Yes we used to plan with Fastpass, but we did NOT feel like a SLAVE to a plan or a phone. We almost always booked breakfast and a dinner. Yes lots of times breakfast was character when kids were younger or stopping at GF Cafe or Kona at Poly, and my wife loves Alice and Mad Hatter so guess where our last character dining experience was (2019). But we didnt feel that ROPE DROP was that super essential to our Park day. Now hell its shoved down your throat or at least it felt like it to us, with having to be up at 7AM to try and grab a few rides we wanted. I wont recount again our HS disaster. Its did not feel like any other Disney trip we have made in our lives. And yes the Food (excluding Biergarten) was most definitely below expectations. Oops almost forgot Kringla was still the bomb.
fyi…my wife is an Alice nut…we have tons of pictures of my daughter with the Alice in Epcot and with the hatter and Al at Park Fare on her second birthday…in this big, blue ridiculous smocked Alice dress…
good times. Now would cost $29.99 a minute if you can even find it
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Disstevefan1
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Ah I get it.
I know the point is to justify WDW price increases, but is it fair to compare WDW park tickets to real estate?
One is worthless after you purchase it and the other (in most cases) gain value after you purchase it.
Lets try Cedar Point VS. Magic Kingdom?
PS. I would love to go to Cedar Point
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Tis not…Ah I get it.
I know the point is to justify WDW price increases, but is it fair to compare WDW park tickets to real estate?
One is worthless after you purchase it and the other (in most cases) gain value after you purchase it.
Lets try Cedar Point VS. Magic Kingdom?
PS. I would love to go to Cedar Point
…if the point is “everything is way more expensive…so it’s not that bad”, then it’s correct.
If it’s “everything costs just as much as Disney now”…no. It’s not about 1971…it’s since the Bobs took over.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Ah I get it.
I know the point is to justify WDW price increases, but is it fair to compare WDW park tickets to real estate?
One is worthless after you purchase it and the other (in most cases) gain value after you purchase it.
Lets try Cedar Point VS. Magic Kingdom?
PS. I would love to go to Cedar Point
Ticket books make it a bit complicated but for the same experience…
Cedar Point in 1973 was $6.18, today it’s $74.99. 12 times more expensive.
WDW in 1973 was $17, today it’s $117-170 depending on date. 7-10 times more expensive. (admission was $4.50, $5.75 for a 8 ticket book and $6.75 for a 12 ticket book, that’s based on the number of rides we did our last trip).
If you were content only doing 12 rides total and only 1 e-ticket in your day the price would drop down to $11.25, which would make todays $117-170 price 10-15 times more expensive.
Either way it’s in line with the price increases at Cedar Point.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Cedar point is typically a one day visit…an yearly pass is $129
wdw is a multi-day visit about 95% of the time and is not a local destination.
if we’re trying to boil it down to 1:1…then wdw should be cheaper per day…less “inflated”
Disstevefan1
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SEE! the Magic Kingdom is an Excellent value
. Runaway WDW price increases justified!I wonder if Disney price increases (forces?) allows Cedar Point to increase their prices or vice versa ?
Vegas Disney Fan
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SEE! the Magic Kingdom is an Excellent value
I wonder if Disney price increases (forces?) allows Cedar Point to increase their prices or vice versa ?
You were the one that asked me to compare them… not my fault the data didn’t show the results you expected.
I‘m not justifying anything, just showing how the “runaway” price increases are pretty standard across the entire world, not just Disney.