Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Club34]

The FDA followed up with this today -

I guess our FDA is unaware that millions of doses of Ivermectin has been given to humans around the globe for decades with a very good safety record.

Whoever at the FDA posted that or approved it to be posted should be fired. A more reasonable tweet would have effectively given the message to not take horse pills. This was a government sponsored troll and not helping in my opinion. It was a sick burn and really funny, I'll grant you, but we sure don't like the shoe being on the other foot.

Perhaps the energy would be better spent determining whether or not this drug has a place in fighting or preventing covid.

I would consider them victims of malignantly wilful disinformation:

Biologist to Tucker: If Ivermectin proven effective against COVID, it moots vaccine push | Fox News

Bret Weinstein says he and others have been 'censored' for their analyses that run counter to the medical establishment

www.foxnews.com

I'm sorry to have to be that guy but I need to pushback a little. I don't know if this was a new sitdown on the Tucker show, but in the last one Weinstein's contention wasn't that Ivermectin would render the vaccine moot in terms of its effectiveness but rather put into question the validity of the emergency use authorization of the vaccine.

The EUA stipulates that it can only be invoked IF there is no other viable treatment or prophylactic for a given disease. That's taking out of the discussion whether or not people think it works but rather the context of his position. If Ivermectin was effective in fighting covid, the EUA would rendered invalid. This of course will all be moot this week with the expected full FDA approval of the vax.

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Regardless of people's feelings of others' motivation, the either/or positioning of otherwise reasonable people in this pandemic is rather striking. We are going to need a multi-faceted attack against this virus. Looking for additional tools in a pandemic is not the work of a maniac. There are folks who legit cannot take the vaccine. Would we not want to find valid alternatives.

 

[Flugell]

People have used this thread for personal updates from time to time, and so that's what this post is.

@helenabear posted about having to say goodbye to her cat last month. Unfortunately, we had to do the same this evening, for our 18 year old kitty that I posted about when we were sharing our pet photos. The worst part is I'm still in FL until Wednesday and my DH had to take our cat by himself, and I didn't have a chance to say goodbye. Our Kipsy cat, had been struggling with his asthma and the poor air quality due in Denver due to wildfires, but before I left we thought we had gotten him stable and he was improving, so I thought it would be okay for me to go, but I still worried if something would happen. Over the last 24 hours, he just crashed. When DH took him to the emergency vet his oxygen levels were at 68% and in the short time he was there, they intubated him and it continued to drop to 50%, his lungs were full of fluid, and we knew that was that.

He is the all black cat in this photo.

So sorry to hear about your loss. Animals are truly a huge part of any family. Sending virtual hugs from the U.K.

 

[JoeCamel]

People have used this thread for personal updates from time to time, and so that's what this post is.

@helenabear posted about having to say goodbye to her cat last month. Unfortunately, we had to do the same this evening, for our 18 year old kitty that I posted about when we were sharing our pet photos. The worst part is I'm still in FL until Wednesday and my DH had to take our cat by himself, and I didn't have a chance to say goodbye. Our Kipsy cat, had been struggling with his asthma and the poor air quality due in Denver due to wildfires, but before I left we thought we had gotten him stable and he was improving, so I thought it would be okay for me to go, but I still worried if something would happen. Over the last 24 hours, he just crashed. When DH took him to the emergency vet his oxygen levels were at 68% and in the short time he was there, they intubated him and it continued to drop to 50%, his lungs were full of fluid, and we knew that was that.

He is the all black cat in this photo.

18 is a bunch of years, glad you had your time with him.

 

[UNCgolf]

I think it’s more harmful to hold that tens of millions of Americans are wilfully ignorant and uncaring. That’s a level of misanthropy that would make me give up on humanity as a whole, and that leads to the awful “Well, let them all die, then” comments we’ve seen numerous times in this thread.

This is the end point of basically all heavily polarized issues, regardless of political ideology.

History is full of examples; both the left and the right have their hands drenched in blood. People with the opposing viewpoint are eventually dehumanized/othered, and you're never going to change their minds about anything once that happens.

 

[Polkadotdress]

There's ignorance than can be innocent from simple lack of knowledge. And then there's almost malignantly willful ignorance. I think this is an example of the latter:

Health officials warn people not to take a drug meant for livestock to ward off or treat Covid-19 | CNN

Mississippi health officials are warning residents not to take an anti-parasitic drug -- in most cases, a formulation purchased at livestock supply centers -- to treat or prevent Covid-19.

www.cnn.com

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with these people?

So…I went down a rabbit hole today when I (stupidly) read an article about far-right activist Candice Owens, and her proud claim that “The Covid vaccine wasn’t going to get near her arm.”

Following the article were thousands of comments, including one back-and-forth thread from someone who claimed invermectin cured them of Covid, which then lead to several others seeking advice as to 1) How to take it and 2) Where to get it from. Several suggested “the local feed store, for the liquid drops”, and one poster even said “It’s safe because I give it to my farm animals, and I’d NEVER give or feed them anything I wouldn’t take myself.”

Really!

 

[Andrew C]

So…I went down a rabbit hole today when I (stupidly) read an article about far-right activist Candice Owens, and her proud claim that “The Covid vaccine wasn’t going to get near her arm.”

Following the article were thousands of comments, including one back-and-forth thread from someone who claimed invermectin cured them of Covid, which then lead to several others seeking advice as to 1) How to take it and 2) Where to get it from. Several suggested “the local feed store, for the liquid drops”, and one poster even said “It’s safe because I give it to my farm animals, and I’d NEVER give or feed them anything I wouldn’t take myself.”

Really!

Didn’t Ralph Breaks the Internet teach you anything? Never read the comments section.

 

[Nubs70]

Effectiveness of a multidrug therapy consisting of Ivermectin, Azithromycin, Montelukast, and Acetylsalicylic acid to prevent hospitalization and death among ambulatory COVID-19 cases in Tlaxcala, Mexico - PubMed

TNR4 therapy improved recovery and prevented the risk of hospitalization and death among ambulatory COVID-19 cases.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Polkadotdress]

Y’all! Florida is over here breaking records again. Not just total hospitalizations, but also deaths:

According to a US Today article, “Florida reported an all-time death record, with 1,486 deaths in the past week – nearly 15% above the previous record of 1,296 deaths in a week of January.”

 

[Lilofan]

This is the end point of basically all heavily polarized issues, regardless of political ideology.

History is full of examples; both the left and the right have their hands drenched in blood. People with the opposing viewpoint are eventually dehumanized/othered, and you're never going to change their minds about anything once that happens.

You are going to change some anti vaxxer minds when a loved one succumbs to covid.

 

[Lilofan]

And if it is laminated what are they going to do? Say you can’t get a booster? I highly doubt that. CVS for example has all of you vaccine data online for you to print out.

Thanks, next time I go there I will ask for them to print me out a copy.

 

[ifan]

Took a trip to WDW last weekend, fully vaccinated. Covid test results came back today (4-5 days after trip end) and Negative. No symptoms, but was still curious after being around so many people in close quarters.

I wasn't too worried but I know that many others are, so I figured I'd add this data point.

 

[LittleBuford]

I'm sorry to have to be that guy but I need to pushback a little. I don't know if this was a new sitdown on the Tucker show, but in the last one Weinstein's contention wasn't that Ivermectin would render the vaccine moot in terms of its effectiveness but rather put into question the validity of the emergency use authorization of the vaccine.

The EUA stipulates that it can only be invoked IF there is no other viable treatment or prophylactic for a given disease. That's taking out of the discussion whether or not people think it works but rather the context of his position. If Ivermectin was effective in fighting covid, the EUA would rendered invalid. This of course will all be moot this week with the expected full FDA approval of the vax.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re pushing back against. The article I shared was from Fox News itself; it didn’t say that Weinstein claimed the vaccine was ineffective.

 

[correcaminos]

People have used this thread for personal updates from time to time, and so that's what this post is.

@helenabear posted about having to say goodbye to her cat last month. Unfortunately, we had to do the same this evening, for our 18 year old kitty that I posted about when we were sharing our pet photos. The worst part is I'm still in FL until Wednesday and my DH had to take our cat by himself, and I didn't have a chance to say goodbye. Our Kipsy cat, had been struggling with his asthma and the poor air quality due in Denver due to wildfires, but before I left we thought we had gotten him stable and he was improving, so I thought it would be okay for me to go, but I still worried if something would happen. Over the last 24 hours, he just crashed. When DH took him to the emergency vet his oxygen levels were at 68% and in the short time he was there, they intubated him and it continued to drop to 50%, his lungs were full of fluid, and we knew that was that.

He is the all black cat in this photo.

I am so very sorry. What a beautiful house panther he was. So sorry also you couldn't be there, but I am sure he knew you loved him. My heart goes out to you.

 

[UNCgolf]

The very idea that having an effective treatment would render the vaccine moot is faulty.

Even if Ivermectin was 100% effective as a treatment (and we know it's not) a treatment is never going to be as useful as an effective vaccine. Preventing infection is always better than treating it because infected people will spread it to others, which increases risk for everyone -- especially with a virus, which will continue to mutate and could eventually render the treatment itself completely ineffective (the same way it can eventually evade a vaccine with the proper mutations).

Does anyone think we'd be better off if we just had a pretty good treatment for polio instead of a polio vaccine?

ETA: Obviously having an effective treatment would be great; I'm not suggesting otherwise. But it would just be a complement to the vaccine rather than a replacement.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I guess our FDA is unaware that millions of doses of Ivermectin has been given to humans around the globe for decades with a very good safety record.

Whoever at the FDA posted that or approved it to be posted should be fired. A more reasonable tweet would have effectively given the message to not take horse pills. This was a government sponsored troll and not helping in my opinion. It was a sick burn and really funny, I'll grant you, but we sure don't like the shoe being on the other foot.

Perhaps the energy would be better spent determining whether or not this drug has a place in fighting or preventing covid.



I'm sorry to have to be that guy but I need to pushback a little. I don't know if this was a new sitdown on the Tucker show, but in the last one Weinstein's contention wasn't that Ivermectin would render the vaccine moot in terms of its effectiveness but rather put into question the validity of the emergency use authorization of the vaccine.

The EUA stipulates that it can only be invoked IF there is no other viable treatment or prophylactic for a given disease. That's taking out of the discussion whether or not people think it works but rather the context of his position. If Ivermectin was effective in fighting covid, the EUA would rendered invalid. This of course will all be moot this week with the expected full FDA approval of the vax.

---‐-------------------------

Regardless of people's feelings of others' motivation, the either/or positioning of otherwise reasonable people in this pandemic is rather striking. We are going to need a multi-faceted attack against this virus. Looking for additional tools in a pandemic is not the work of a maniac. There are folks who legit cannot take the vaccine. Would we not want to find valid alternatives.

Ivermectin showed some benefit in a small Brazilian study early in the pandemic that had several methodological flaws, including a lack of randomization. Subsequent larger follow-up studies that were better conducted did not show any benefit.

They've looked. It doesn't work against COVID-19. That should have been the end of the story, but quacks, charlatans and conspiracy theorist latched onto the initial trial, and took up the narrative that ivermectin is the secret COVID-19 cure that "They" don't want you to know about.

 

[Lilofan]

Seems a bunch of people are getting their booster but... to be frank... do you have to lie about whether or not you have immune deficencies or what have you? Do they even ask other than what your previous shots were? Getting one on sept 20... assuming I could even get an appointment that day... would be in time for my oct 3 departure date and allow some time for it to take hold. But, it wouldnt be the 8 months (close to 6 by then). Which I dont know if it would even be a requirement or if a pharmacy can decline to give one.

You can draw your own conclusions. I predict one to two weeks prior to the govt guideline Sept 20, many will be scouring the pharmacy sites getting those coveted booster shot appts regardless of 8 months. Jesse Jackson and his wife who were both vaccinated with Pfizer in January are now being treated in a Chicago hospital after testing positive for Covid. Their condition at this time is unknown. They both didn't hit the 8 month mark. Some may factor that is their decision in waiting 8 months , or not.

 

[hopemax]

Ivermectin showed some benefit in a small Brazilian study early in the pandemic that had several methodological flaws, including a lack of randomization. Subsequent larger follow-up studies that were better conducted did not show any benefit.

They've looked. It doesn't work against COVID-19. That should have been the end of the story, but quacks, charlatans and conspiracy theorist latched onto the initial trial, and took up the narrative that ivermectin is the secret COVID-19 cure that "They" don't want you to know about.

Thank you.

And I thought I saw somewhere supposition that the reason, some areas of the world saw some benefit to patients given Ivermectin, was because parasitic infections were common in those areas. That by treating the parasitic infection, their bodies were able to have that little bit extra to successfully fight off SARS-CoV-2 infection. But all the medicine was doing was treating the parasitic infection, and nothing against COVID directly. So if Americans are asking if this can help them. The first question they should ask themselves is: "Do you think you have an untreated parasitic infection?"

 

[Viget]

What you saw was probably liquid nitrogen. Pretty dangerous to have pure oxygen clouds floating around. The smoke and fog effects are done this way

Nope. It definitely said liquid oxygen. I know what LN2 is, I've frozen cell lines down before. I wouldn't have thought that remarkable at all.

 

[Viget]

Liquid oxygen isn’t something that’s going to be used in shows. But Reedy Creek Energy Services, a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company, handles water treatment for the Reedy Creek Improvement District and some surrounding areas.

The only possible use I could come up with was for creating big fireball effects. Still sounds dangerous though!

 

[JoeCamel]

Nope. It definitely said liquid oxygen. I know what LN2 is, I've frozen cell lines down before. I wouldn't have thought that remarkable at all.

Must have been for Reedy Creek then or they went premium on Walt's head freezer