Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Parker in NYC]

I started wearing masks before we were told to, too.

I know, we’ve been through a lot together these 4,001 pages.

 

[GoofGoof]

This is an interesting map our governor tweeted today. It shows vaccination rates for those 12-17 by state. Florida's vaccination rate for that age group is only 35%

States where mask requirements in schools are banned and their vaccination percentages in 12-17 year olds.
Texas 38%
Arizona 37%
Utah 38%
Oklahoma 26%
Arkansas 27%
Iowa 35%
South Carolina 25%

Outside of Iowa almost all the counties in these states are Orange or red on the CDC map. Anyone else see a problem?

 

[Touchdown]

We can agree to disagree. The only reason the guidance was revised is because cases are up.

Then your another believer in a conspiracy. I will continue to take the CDC at their word, but then again, I’ve been paying attention to their recommendations long before Covid and know you don’t need a divining rod to figure out why they do things.

 

[celluloid]

So masks and social distancing won't be returning for good by November anymore? I'm down with that! Everything's will go back to normal soon!

Well WDW is not going to let this ruin their Christmas season.

 

[HeartOfTeFiti]

This is an interesting map our governor tweeted today. It shows vaccination rates for those 12-17 by state. Florida's vaccination rate for that age group is only 35%

I'm proud of our rate in this youngest group to be eligible, and I think Hogan (or his team) has done a really great job of keeping Marylanders both informed and motivated to take personal responsibility (even if it requires a carrot here and there).

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I know, we’ve been through a lot together these 4,001 pages.

We sure have.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Only a few Broadway shows are open

And the few that are open aren’t traditional broadway shows with a full cast and staff.

For instance Disney just did a short run of the concert series with Ashley Brown, Josh, etc like they do at Epcot and D23 events. It was in the new Amsterdam so sure it was a broadway show but it wasn’t like seeing Aladdin or Lion King.

I think all the broadway theaters require vaccination as well.

(None of that is meant as a correction... just a “yes and...)

 

[DCBaker]

OS article on the state of hospitals in Central Florida -

"Around 1,000 patients are hospitalized with COVID-19 across AdventHealth’s Central Florida hospitals, said spokesperson Jeff Grainger at the healthcare system’s weekly Thursday COVID-19 briefing. The news comes after Orange County reverted to a state of emergency, and Florida reported case numbers that rival January’s peak.

“What’s extraordinary is the speed at which we are currently seeing new cases,” said Dr. Vincent Hsu, executive director of infection prevention and hospital epidemiologist. “We haven’t seen the end of it. This is still coming.”

AdventHealth’s current patient load breaks the previous January 2021 record by about 100, Grainger said. It’s an increase of about 300 from a week ago."

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"Orlando Health’s hospitals reported 454 COVID patients on Thursday, breaking its July 2020 record. More than one out of 10 of these patients is currently in the ICU, according to Dr. George Ralls, senior vice president and chief medical officer at Orlando Health.

In keeping with past trends, over 90% of the hospitalized COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated at both hospitals. Hsu said that breakthrough cases in vaccinated people are possible, but these cases are not often severe."

“The vast majority of vaccinated patients, if they get COVID, they’re not sick enough to be in the hospital,” Hsu said. “For those that are unvaccinated, really consider getting vaccinated.”

Record number of COVID-19 patients hospitalized at AdventHealth, Orlando Health

Orlando Health and AdventHealth are deluged with more COVID-19 patients than ever before, with no sign the current surge will stop soon. Around 1,000 patients are hospitalized with COVID-19 across …

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[GenerationX]

No and no. The contagion potential and morbidity associated with different strains of the same virus are random. Just like your previous rolls of the dice have no bearing on what you roll next, the random changes to viral strands, especially between epidemics, has no influence on the next. Some might be more or less infectious, some might be more or less dangerous, some might be both, but these factors don't move in one inevitable direction.

And please, don't try to start that tire old canard again about "Most have underlying conditions, therefore it wasn't COVID!" We've debunked that time and time again.

Sure, I should not have said always. But, normally, viruses attenuate over time.

If you have underlying conditions, COVID is a bigger deal. If you don't have underlying conditions and get COVID, you are likely one of the 99.6% that survive it.

Natural immunity through having had it, as always, is de-emphasized.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Sure, I should not have said always. But, normally, viruses attenuate over time.

If you have underlying conditions, COVID is a bigger deal. If you don't have underlying conditions and get COVID, you are likely one of the 99.6% that survive it.

Natural immunity through having had it, as always, is de-emphasized.

I've lost track of the articles I've read and videos I've seen of people who thought being healthy and having no underlying conditions meant they were safe.

 

[GenerationX]

I've lost track of the articles I've read and videos I've seen of people who thought being healthy and having no underlying conditions meant they were safe.

Agreed. The media pounces them. Statistically, they are a far, far outlier.

 

[correcaminos]

Sure, I should not have said always. But, normally, viruses attenuate over time.

If you have underlying conditions, COVID is a bigger deal. If you don't have underlying conditions and get COVID, you are likely one of the 99.6% that survive it.

Natural immunity through having had it, as always, is de-emphasized.

And they are not sure if it's as good as a vaccine - don't pull articles as it seems not all studies point the same. Since we cannot know that's why all who can should vaccinate. It would be like getting a booster for your immune system. Keep chances of spread and variants down. Win win. I know a lot who have had covid so bad they wanted the vaccine to prevent it from happening again.

Another possible issue are the self diagnosed covid people. If you don't have access to your results, it does no good to me. Same with vaccination.

I don't understand why people don't push for the vaccine at all - covid history or not.

One never knows how bad the virus would be too. I have had healthy GenX and Millennials who are long haulers.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I've lost track of the articles I've read and videos I've seen of people who thought being healthy and having no underlying conditions meant they were safe.

Safe? No. Much safer? Yes.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Agreed. The media pounces them. Statistically, they are a far, far outlier.

Not agreed.

The fallacy that being young and healthy meant you were safe has been spreading from the beginning, but it's wrong. The elderly and infirm will ALWAYS be our most vulnerable populace...no matter what illness you're talking about.

Even for the young and healthy, severe COVID is a roll of the dice.

 

[Andrew C]

Even for the young and healthy, severe COVID is a roll of the dice.

The odds are a lot better than that for you to even get severe COVID when young and healthy in the first place.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The odds are a lot better than that for you to even get severe COVID when young and healthy in the first place.

Tell that to the doctors that are reporting more than expected pediatric cases since Delta arrived.

 

[correcaminos]

Safe? No. Much safer? Yes.

This is true, but not a gamble I want to take personally after seeing a handful of friends. Not being dramatic but I don't want that risk. Nor did I want it for my spouse. My kid, honestly risks to his teachers were higher. I have been on the wrong side of chances before is all.

 

[Andrew C]

Tell that to the doctors that are reporting more than expected pediatric cases since Delta arrived.

I don't have to. They already know, for example, that severe COVID is still very rare in children. They also know the delta virus is more contagious to all. They also know that children transmit the virus at a lower level than adults. They also know that things like diabetes and obesity significantly increase your risk for severe COVID.

We really need to stop using anecdotal evidence to drive false narratives.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The odds are a lot better than that for you to even get severe COVID when young and healthy in the first place.

But getting severe COVID still sucks. Death is not the only negative outcome. An extended hospital stay for a young person is a life-changing experience, and not in a good way. And we're not even talking about the final bill.

And don't forget, the likelihood of getting PASC ("long COVID") is not tied to the severity of the initial infection.

 

[Andrew C]

But getting severe COVID still sucks.

Of course it sucks. Which is why it is a good thing that it is rare in children. If it wasn't, we would be in a hard lockdown right now.