Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Jrb1979]

Nah. I don't think you are really out. And it is not that people don't care. It is that they are not interesting in continuing mitigation efforts because the sillies refuse to get vaccinated. And yes, I am out to events. Just went to a county festival over the weekend and it was tons of fun.


That is all fine and well, until you actually sit down and think of the practicality of putting something like this in place for an extremely diverse population of 350 million people (not to mention the diverse businesses) with opinions all over the place from state to sate, county to county.

I am out. The nonsense in here is too much these past few days. I will spell it out for you. IF YOU ARE VACCINATED YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MITIGATIONS AS THEY DON'T AFFECT YOU. The CDC dropped the ball on this one. I agree if you are vaccinated then you don't have to wear a mask. Where they dropped the ball is saying it's on the people now to make sure unvaccinated wear a mask. It's been a failure cause of that. IMO it's due to that, why vaccination rates are so low. Why get vaccinated when I can live me life the same as those vaccinated.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

And what am I to do about that....other than to tell people that I know who are unvaccinated that they should really get vaccinated?

Unfortunately, that's about all anyone who isn't a public figure can do.

I really wish those with a loud and far-reaching voice would stop ignoring this part of the problem though.

 

[correcaminos]

So

if there is one person who cannot take the vaccine the rest of the population must protect them? No! People have the choice and should continue to have the choice to be vaccinated or not. People can mask, stay indoors, do whatever or live their lives. This is the first time in history that well people have had to be quarantined to protect sick people.

Do you actually understand how vaccines are meant to work? Herd immunity protects those who cannot vaccinate. It's been this way with all vaccines. We're just so selfish now we don't give a crap about others.

 

[Andrew C]

IF YOU ARE VACCINATED YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MITIGATIONS AS THEY DON'T AFFECT YOU.

As a vaccinated person, me mitigating really isn't going to contribute to any sort of decline in numbers anywhere. Because the numbers are being driven by the unvaccinated. The hospitalizations and deaths coming out right now are clear. So there really isn't a point for me to do so. Now should the unvaccinated still mitigate? Yes, seems so according to the data.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

There really is no evidence whatsoever that adults should not get vaccinated. The benefit to risk analysis is immediately in favor of vaccination for every single adult; regardless of health status.

Children (healthy children specifically) on the other hand require a finer calculation which is likely why there is no shot for kids under 12 yet.

Do we have a shot available for kids under 12 who have health conditions? Because it would seem imperative that we do.

 

[danlb_2000]

Do you realize just how small the virus is? Masking is like trying to stop a marble with a chain linked fence. You go ahead and mask if you like. However you do not have the right to expect others to do the same.

That is a common analogy among anti-maskers but just doesn't hold up. You are correct, a non-medical grade mask mask will not block a single viral particle, but a lot of the particles are traveling in respiratory droplets which are large enough to get caught my the masks if an infected person is wearing them. Masks do not complete prevent transmission but they do reduce it.

 

[danlb_2000]

Totally agree. My grandsons all had COVID with no symptoms - had to be tested because their parents had COVID. Son had 24 hour flu. Daughter in law's symptoms lasted a week like a bad flu case. No one was vaccinated. No one ever talks about those who have had COVID and survived which must be millions. They now have natural immunity plus they probably had a very mild case. If all the mitigation worked then why did U.K. which locked down masked to the extreme have so many deaths? None of the ridiculous measure employed have worked. If you are going to get it you will, if you are going to die - you will die of something eventually. Recovery is 99.99% so we just need to live our lives, get out in the fresh air and make the most of whatever time we have rather than acting insane.

You are mistakenly believing that a mitigation only "worked" if it completely prevent infections and deaths. No mitigation was 100%, but they did contribute to reducing cases and deaths. If there had been no mitigations at all, deaths would have been higher.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Masks do not complete prevent transmission but they do reduce it.

The issue is the narrative is largely the former and not the latter. Most people don't realize that the mask is just one of many tools to mitigate transmission; they think if they have their mask, they can't get the virus. I cannot tell you how many people who I know who got COVID and double masked everywhere they went and were completely floored to learn of their diagnosis. So floored that they insisted on a repeat test due to the fact that they always had a mask on.

 

[DisneyCane]

Please provide a source for ONE study indicating that spread from people who never developed symptoms (meaning they had it) isn't really a thing. Just one. Please?
"There have been studies done"= "People have said.."

Tell you what...I will trade. Here is a link to a real study with sources indicating otherwise. Please provide an equivalent for your case.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/full article/2774707

OK. How about the US CDC posting a study which links to other studies in it?
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article

Also, your link doesn't work.

 

[correcaminos]

There really is no evidence whatsoever that adults should not get vaccinated. The benefit to risk analysis is immediately in favor of vaccination for every single adult; regardless of health status.

Children (healthy children specifically) on the other hand require a finer calculation which is likely why there is no shot for kids under 12 yet.

Do we have a shot available for kids under 12 who have health conditions? Because it would seem imperative that we do.

Nothing for under 12 in the US. Still running trials. Since dosing will be different we'll need the time to make sure it's done right and safely.

 

[Andrew C]

Nothing for under 12 in the US. Still running trials. Since dosing will be different we'll need the time to make sure it's done right and safely.

If more adults got vaccinated (and the teens), it may not even be necessary to vaccinate the younger ones. But.....well, we will see. hah

 

[LaughingGravy]

They were posted in this thread a few months ago. If I have time I'll dig them up. There were statements by Dr. Birx and/or Fauci about it. I can't remember which.

Birx who sat there and did nothing (bleach and bright light) and Fauci who has fully admitted that changes based on new evidence found are (gasp) a part of science.
A link to a real scientific study, please.
I think I may have to wait on the standby line for FOP in December before I see it.
(keeping on topic)

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The benefit to risk analysis is immediately in favor of vaccination for every single adult; regardless of health status.

That is not true.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Asking those questions shouldn’t make someone anti-vax.

You may not be anti-vax but you continue to repeat their lies.

 

[DisneyCane]

Birx who sat there and did nothing (bleach and bright light) and Fauci who has fully admitted that changes based on new evidence found are (gasp) a part of science.
A link to a real scientific study, please.
I think I may have to wait on the standby line for FOP in December before I see it.
(keeping on topic)

I posted a link in a timeframe more consistent with Journey into Imagination with Figment a few posts above.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You may not be anti-vac but you continue to repeat their lies.

I do have concerns with how fast the vaccine was produced. I don’t think there is any evil plot behind it.

I have concerns with the rare but serious side effects. In my age group it is very rare to have a severe case of covid.

I have concerns with how long the vaccines remain effective. I’m hopeful the J&J proves to be the ultimate vaccine that lasts forever! (Joke) but the recent studies from Israel show interesting data.

 

[GenerationX]

According to the CDC, 94% of all COVID-19 deaths had comorbidities. Only 6% died due to COVID-19 alone: CDC

Also according to the CDC, 99.998% of all cases of 0-17 year olds survive it. 99.95% of all 18-49 survive it. 99.4% of 50-64: CDC

Millions have been vaccinated and millions have already had it and survived it. The media could dial back the alarm, but they won't.

 

[Disney Experience]

LaughingGravy said:

Please provide a source for ONE study indicating that spread from people who never developed symptoms (meaning they had it) isn't really a thing. Just one. Please?
"There have been studies done"= "People have said.."

Tell you what...I will trade. Here is a link to a real study with sources indicating otherwise. Please provide an equivalent for your case.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/full article/2774707

If you go back into my very old posts you will find links to the studies (primary sourced (mostly) and most links I did are from lancet , cell, nejm etc.

The studies showed most transmissions were from presymptomatic not thise that never got symptoms. The probkem of course clinically it does not help atvthe time because no one knows who will develop symptoms.
Also these studies were done before the more contagious variants were around. So that may change the results if the sane study was done now.

I have been and still am out of the loop of current research, so there may be new primary sourced from respected and reviewed journals out there.

But yes there are studies out there that positively correlate transmission to eventual symptoms. The variants “may” change the truth of the correlation found then in todays environment.

 

[Jrb1979]

As a vaccinated person, me mitigating really isn't going to contribute to any sort of decline in numbers anywhere. Because the numbers are being driven by the unvaccinated. The hospitalizations and deaths coming out right now are clear. So there really isn't a point for me to do so. Now should the unvaccinated still mitigate? Yes, seems so according to the data.

That's what I am saying. If you are vaccinated the mitigations aren't for you and you don't have to do them. My stance since the change from the CDC is with how everyone has just thrown their hands up as if to give up in trying to come up with any plans to have those unvaccinated to continue with mitigations.

I'm fully vaccinated and I still am concerned about those not vaccinated. Part of that is due to where I live. Between the government and the media it's still the number 1 thing talked about here. It's getting people vaccinated. It's probably helped us get to 79% with one dose and 51% fully vaccinated. IMO more needs to be done to get people vaccinated. The attitude from those that can do something about it being "the vaccines are available whatever" doesn't help. Then you have some places more worried about tourism then pushing for vaccinations. Its no wonder people have the same attitude.

 

[Disorbust]

According to the CDC, 94% of all COVID-19 deaths had comorbidities. Only 6% died due to COVID-19 alone: CDC

But their comorbities would not have killed them alone, it was covid that pushed it over the edge.