Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Jwink

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stevebwv said:
Ahh yes, "He has prior conditions. He’s 70 years old, 400lbs, and a diabetic."

Jiminy Crickets! Not many of us make it to 70 when parading around at nearly 30 stone. But COVID........
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I really don’t understand what you’re getting at but I was merely mentioning his statistics for statistical purposes. He was otherwise super healthy and had no health issues beyond that. Newsflash very young healthy people dying every single day from Covid.
 
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KYDVC

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Jwink said:
My cousin’s father in law is dying from covid. They live in SC where the positivity rate is around 30%. He and his wife are anti maskers and hoax believers so they weren’t taking precautions.

Let me be clear- Nobody deserves this- nobody deserves to die a horrible death. Nobody.

I DO get angry at the fact that it didn’t HAVE to happen. He didn’t HAVE to get sick. From leadership all the way down to his personal actions this could have been prevented.

He exhibited symptoms Christmas Eve after attending a church bible study group with no distancing and no masks. A woman attended even though she knew she was covid positive (which debunks the whole ‘sick people will adhere to the guidelines and stay home’ theory). He was rushed by ambulance to the hospital after struggling to breathe with oxygen down in the 80’s.

It was too late for that drug with an R? He was on oxygen supplementation but would not rest or stop talking like the doctors asked him to. The other night his oxygen went down to the 60’s and they couldn’t get it back up. They ventilated him at that point. He was fighting the tube so they sedated him.

Last night his kidneys stopped functioning. Other organs are showing signs of following. They told my cousin and her family to be prepared.

Luckily she had not gone over there with her child because the mother and father in law were not willing to take the precautions. I’m so grateful they were vigilant in their precautions so they didn’t get sick too.

He has prior conditions. He’s 70 years old, 400lbs, and a diabetic.

His wife has since apologized to her son and my cousin saying that she wishes they had been more cautious and not believed it was a hoax and that she’d never wish it on anyone. (Yes she was + too but mild)

This whole situation is a dumpster fire. Florida is on fire. I can’t WAIT for some true leadership in 2 weeks 😷😷😷
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God bless you and your family. I hope that everything works out for you and your family.
 
Heppenheimer

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Disney Experience said:
What would be great for Disney Public Relations and Employee moral is for Disney to figure out how many cast member (and perhaps on-property subcontractors) it can vaccinate on a daily basis with the resources it can guarantee to have on property. If that number would imply a long time to get all cast members vaccinated, then they should offer some cast members training on administering the shots [The state should specify the minimum amount and type of training to administer a vaccine], to increase the throughput. (Of course they need a small set of professionals to deal with the rare allergic reaction, but non-professional can be given training to do some of the basic work of administering vaccines).

Would be great PR to say that Disney facilitated it's cast members being vaccinated, that all it needs is the doses and state approval, that they are ready to help themselves, their community, and the state succeed in administering vaccine when it is available. Proactive vs reactive.
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Not being in the business of healthcare, I doubt Disney has the trained manpower with all the necessary certification on staff to handle something this big. They would probably do better to contract with a local hospital system to set-up a mass-vaccination site on property.

I don't know the specifics of the law in FL, but in many other states, people certified to give vaccines generally need a specified baseline level of medical training. In certain cases the minimum level of training wothout supervision is RN or EMT. There's a lot more that goes into this than just learning how to stick a needle in a muscle.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Heppenheimer said:
Not being in the business of healthcare, I doubt Disney has the trained manpower with all the necessary certification on staff to handle something this big. They would probably do better to contract with a local hospital system to set-up a mass-vaccination site on property.

I don't know the specifics of the law in FL, but in many other states, people certified to give vaccines generally need a specified baseline level of medical training. In certain cases the minimum level of training wothout supervision is RN or EMT. There's a lot more that goes into this than just learning how to stick a needle in a muscle.
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Disney isn’t even doing their own temperature screenings, having partnered with AdventHealth to man them.
 
JoeCamel

JoeCamel

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Heppenheimer said:
Not being in the business of healthcare, I doubt Disney has the trained manpower with all the necessary certification on staff to handle something this big. They would probably do better to contract with a local hospital system to set-up a mass-vaccination site on property.

I don't know the specifics of the law in FL, but in many other states, people certified to give vaccines generally need a specified baseline level of medical training. In certain cases the minimum level of training wothout supervision is RN or EMT. There's a lot more that goes into this than just learning how to stick a needle in a muscle.
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Think what happens if a CM does the stick and anaphylaxis rears it's ugly head. I doubt they could be prepared for that outcome
 
sullyinMT

sullyinMT

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Disney Experience said:
What would be great for Disney Public Relations and Employee moral is for Disney to figure out how many cast member (and perhaps on-property subcontractors) it can vaccinate on a daily basis with the resources it can guarantee to have on property. If that number would imply a long time to get all cast members vaccinated, then they should offer some cast members training on administering the shots [The state should specify the minimum amount and type of training to administer a vaccine], to increase the throughput. (Of course they need a small set of professionals to deal with the rare allergic reaction, but non-professional can be given training to do some of the basic work of administering vaccines).

Would be great PR to say that Disney facilitated it's cast members being vaccinated, that all it needs is the doses and state approval, that they are ready to help themselves, their community, and the state succeed in administering vaccine when it is available. Proactive vs reactive.
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Disney direct and both Mears transport and Reedy Creek indirectly. I’m wondering if RC EMS have vaccination training, but they probably lack meaningful manpower.

As @Heppenheimer stated, the existing partnership with Advent could probably be leveraged where Disney could utilize backlot space or CP housing areas or any number of anything.

I’m not as familiar with CA partnerships, but I wonder if DLR could also do something similar with UCLA or Kaiser.

This isn’t a Universal thread, but it would be great to see them do the same type of thing for their staff.
 
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techgeek

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Disney Experience said:
Would be great PR to say that Disney facilitated it's cast members being vaccinated, that all it needs is the doses and state approval, that they are ready to help themselves, their community, and the state succeed in administering vaccine when it is available. Proactive vs reactive.
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It would be great PR, but Disney hasn’t been proactive at all since the beginning of this - why would they start now?

After all, the marketing department has some new paint jobs to promote, they don’t think they need the PR help.
 
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Disney Experience

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lazyboy97o said:
Disney isn’t even doing their own temperature screenings, having partnered with AdventHealth to man them.
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Most companies do subcontract in areas not in their area of expertise. But people can learn simple tasks and "if" you have low cost manpower hours (i.e. some cast members) that can competently be trained in a short time. The legal medical issues of certifications would be an issue, I agree.

But patients are trained to jab themselves with needles already. (Insulin, hormone treatment, etc.) Training someone to put a needle in a deltoid and push the plunger (or pull to check for blood, then push) should not be that manpower intensive compared to how many people they can then administer the shot to.

But if they can outsource that is easier, if the resources are available for that.
 
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JoeCamel said:
Think what happens if a CM does the stick and anaphylaxis rears it's ugly head. I doubt they could be prepared for that outcome
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That is why I said they need some professionals there too. Having just newly trained CMs without a medical professional nearby in case of emergency would not be a good idea.
 
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Heppenheimer said:
Not being in the business of healthcare, I doubt Disney has the trained manpower with all the necessary certification on staff to handle something this big. They would probably do better to contract with a local hospital system to set-up a mass-vaccination site on property.

I don't know the specifics of the law in FL, but in many other states, people certified to give vaccines generally need a specified baseline level of medical training. In certain cases the minimum level of training without supervision is RN or EMT. There's a lot more that goes into this than just learning how to stick a needle in a muscle.
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I would definitely want them supervised. But the most likely solution is to outsource.

When I was in the military we were trained for many things outside our specialty (I was a nuclear reactor operator as a teenager in the Navy). Trained to fight fires, trained to give emergency medical care too. We all were not trained to the level of a hospital coreman, a nurse or physician. Nor were we trained to the level of a firefighter in fighting fire (Hose work, water umbrella fighting oil fires, etc).

But even professionals may not be that attentive. The coreman that administered the flu shot to us in Nuclear Power School in Orlando, Fl (Long ago) was not too much of an expert either. They had those injections guns and we all lined up, he flicked it when administering it leaving about a half inch red mark vs a pin prick. Just an annoyance, but he was not very careful.
 
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lazyboy97o

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Disney Experience said:
Most companies do subcontract in areas not in their area of expertise. But people can learn simple tasks and "if" you have low cost manpower hours (i.e. some cast members) that can competently be trained in a short time. The legal medical issues of certifications would be an issue, I agree.

But patients are trained to jab themselves with needles already. (Insulin, hormone treatment, etc.) Training someone to put a needle in a deltoid and push the plunger (or pull to check for blood, then push) should not be that manpower intensive compared to how many people they can then administer the shot to.

But if they can outsource that is easier, if the resources are available for that.
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I asked about this the other day and the thoughts was that while sticking a needle is itself pretty easy, there is enough associated with it to leave it to those who know what they are doing. Instead easier tasks like basic logistics and cleanup were identified as typically handled by nurses but more easily ha fed off to temporary workers.
 
JoeCamel

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That is why I said they need some professionals there too. Having just newly trained CMs without a medical professional nearby in case of emergency would not be a good idea.
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They could have the best ER doc in the world standing there but without the infrastructure ie: hospital to back them up there is little they can do. To build all that for a one time run through or a PR stunt is not realistic. You just partner with someone who has the staffing, training and support to deal with non-optimal outcomes. Also it offloads the liability onto a third party.
 
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JoeCamel said:
They could have the best ER doc in the world standing there but without the infrastructure ie: hospital to back them up there is little they can do. To build all that for a one time run through or a PR stunt is not realistic. You just partner with someone who has the staffing, training and support to deal with non-optimal outcomes. Also it offloads the liability onto a third party.
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But we do not have a hospital around us when we go to Walgreens, Publix, or CVS and get vaccinated.
 
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Jwink

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stevebwv said:
I am trying to figure out if this is parody. A 400 pound diabetic is not healthy let alone "super healthy".

BTW, very young healthy people die at a higher rate of seasonal influenza than of COVID. They die of bacterial meningitis. They die of sepsis. They die of all kinds of infections. It happens but it does not mean it is statistically significant.

Not sure why my other post was deleted. I suspect this one will see the same fate. It is sad the censors here would rather live in an echo chamber.
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It’s not a parody. Maybe I should reinforce what I said which is that sure a 400 pound 70 year-old man with diabetes is not statistically healthy. OK I’ll give you that. However this side of a week ago he was not on his deathbed. Does that clear things up a little better? Pretty sure he wouldn’t have died or been close to death if he had not gotten Covid. How can you be so blind?

As for your previous post being deleted- probably because it was insensitive and nasty.

I’ll also say for anyone who is sending prayers- thank you but I don’t really know this man. I do know my cousin so send your positivity out into the universe for her :)
 
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