Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Figgy1]

There is no holiday holy enough to make me eat cranberry sauce.

Have you never had homemade with orange?

 

[Disstevefan1]

*Healthcare workers. And not sure why you’d jump to “obey” instead of ”be considerate of,” “respect,” or “listen to,” but I guess that fits your narrative.

Perhaps obey was the wrong word, my comment was really a jab at social media as I do not use it.

I do like discussion forums though

 

[MisterPenguin]

Have you never had homemade with orange?

Yes, I've experienced people ruining perfectly good cranberry sauce.

 

[hopemax]

It will be an interesting study for sure. I think ultimately what needs to be examined is why the US (a country with vast resources and medical facilities) faired so poorly compared to the rest of the world. When the dust settles I think there will be conclusions drawn and I don’t think it will paint the American response in a pretty light although not for the reasons you are suggesting. Not for too many restrictions or too much government overreach but for an overall failure to have a consistent plan and also from the prospective of the individual citizens lacking the will power and desire to do what it takes to get through this and sacrifice for the greater good. There will be plenty of time to study that. For right now we just need to hold the course, get people to comply with recommendations and survive long enough for an effective vaccine to (God willing) bail us out.

I've been trying to wrack my brain, for any example of where history has ultimately judged that the mistake that the Authority made was that they didn't let more citizens die in order to save their economy.

 

[mmascari]

As many have said, the only real way out is a vaccine. So, until we have widespread distribution of that.

This is not true and many should stop saying it.

There are all kinds of measure that can be done to contain the outbreak. Different things when community spread is high and when it's low. It's a leadership policy decision to ignore all of those and focus on only vaccine or lockdown. It's like throwing out your entire toolbox and wondering why it's so hard to build stuff with only a hammer.

Your missing my point a bit. Not debating how we responded, merely stating that it will be interesting to see, after we're past this, how history paints our response in the decades and centuries to come.

See above. History will say a poor policy decision was made. That all hope was put in a vaccine with little else done to mitigate spread. Along with some focus on treatment instead of prevention, which is never as effective.

But to comment on your response, telling the most at risk to be extremely cautious would have been one way. Imagine taking 1.5 trillion dollars and creating the infrastructure and organizations to safely deliver food and essentials to the most at risk. Setting up things to keep their quality of life high while keeping them safe. As opposed to spending three trillion dollars to keep shuttered businesses and people that now can't work able to pay bills and buy food.

If we're going to imagine. Let's imagine that we simply paid everyone who earned a living in the services economy with activities that are no longer safe to simply not do them until we could make them safe. It's not to do nothing, it's to "not do the previously perfectly normal thing that is no longer safe because of a new public health externality".

Even better, instead of trying to isolate the "the most at risk", roughly 165,000,000 people, let's isolate the infected people until they're no longer contagious, roughly 11,500,000, more than 14 times less people.

I'm not saying our response was good or bad, we've never been in this situation before. But as someone who studies economics and the financial markets, I'm very curious to see how our responses are looked at in the years to come and the long term effects they've had.

Our response was bad. We've been in this situation before. We didn't do the things to control spread, and that spread tanked the economy. For the little that we did do, we didn't do the things to prevent those things from tanking the economy. To top it off, we acted like the short term actions done to allow time for long term actions to be implemented were all that was needed. Doing only the short team actions for the long term, never doing the work for the proper long term actions. Then, we wondered (collectively) why things didn't change when we didn't do anything to change them.

It's like putting a spare tire on when you have flat. Good emergency response. But, you don't stop there, you have to replace it with a real tire. If you just keep changing the spare every 100 miles for another temp spare, you'll never fix the long term problem.

 

[Think Tink]

This is completely different. With the Flu, people have the choice of vaccination before they have to work in an exposed area. Please don't trivialize the deaths. 10% of deaths are people under the age of 50.

Just as a heads up her @Queen of the WDW Scene quote was back in February before the pandemic really took hold. Many people changed their stance as we learned more.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Figgy1]

Yes, I've experienced people ruining perfectly good cranberry sauce.

Yikes! I make 3 types every year. Plain, with orange and sugar free. This year I'm only making one as I already "canned" up the plain

 

[Disstevefan1]

It will be an interesting study for sure. I think ultimately what needs to be examined is why the US (a country with vast resources and medical facilities) faired so poorly compared to the rest of the world. When the dust settles I think there will be conclusions drawn and I don’t think it will paint the American response in a pretty light although not for the reasons you are suggesting. Not for too many restrictions or too much government overreach but for an overall failure to have a consistent plan and also from the prospective of the individual citizens lacking the will power and desire to do what it takes to get through this and sacrifice for the greater good. There will be plenty of time to study that. For right now we just need to hold the course, get people to comply with recommendations and survive long enough for an effective vaccine to (God willing) bail us out.

Are we doing so bad compared to other countries? I know we are not the best, but there are countries doing worse

 

[Patcheslee]

Fastlane is Cedar Fair’s skip the queue program, are you near any of those parks?

2 hours from Kings Island meant Pass, my mistype

 

[danlb_2000]

Have you never had homemade with orange?

We learned about this from the Hello Fresh Thanksgiving box, so good! They included a bit of ginger.

 

[SamusAranX]

Are we doing so bad compared to other countries? I know we are not the best, but there are countries doing worse
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middle of the pack is not exactly something to aspire to but I see your point.

what is interesting is some countries who are worse then the US took way more drastic measures and had more uniform mandates and compliance across the board

 

[danlb_2000]

This is not true and many should stop saying it.

There are all kinds of measure that can be done to contain the outbreak. Different things when community spread is high and when it's low. It's a leadership policy decision to ignore all of those and focus on only vaccine or lockdown. It's like throwing out your entire toolbox and wondering why it's so hard to build stuff with only a hammer.

Yes there are other ways to get it under control, but the people in the US at least don't seem to have the will to take those approaches. As things stand now, a vaccine is the only reasonable way out of this.

 

[_caleb]

Are we doing so bad compared to other countries? I know we are not the best, but there are countries doing worse
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Finding other countries (with fewer resources) that might be doing worse doesn't excuse our response, does it?

Also, deaths aren't the only bad outcome that will have a lasting negative effect on our country.

 

[Patcheslee]

We learned about this from the Hello Fresh Thanksgiving box, so good! They included a bit of ginger.

A few local restaurants that normally do a special meals for Thanksgiving are offering a preorder for meals to take home. I'm tempted to go that route instead of cooking this year. Except deviled eggs, I'll make a dozen for myself lol

 

[_caleb]

middle of the pack is not exactly something to aspire to but I see your point.

what is interesting is some countries who are worse then the US took way more drastic measures and had more uniform mandates and compliance across the board

Which countries higher on the list took way more drastic measures than the U.S. stuck with them?

 

[_caleb]

A few local restaurants that normally do a special meals for Thanksgiving are offering a preorder for meals to take home. I'm tempted to go that route instead of cooking this year. Except deviled eggs, I'll make a dozen for myself lol

Sounds like a good way to support local business.

 

[danlb_2000]

middle of the pack is not exactly something to aspire to but I see your point.

what is interesting is some countries who are worse then the US took way more drastic measures and had more uniform mandates and compliance across the board

And the graph was cropped to make us look like we are in the middle of the pack, here is a better view. Deaths per 1 million population from highest to lowest. Blue arrow in the US.

 

[_caleb]

Yes there are other ways to get it under control, but the people in the US at least don't seem to have the will to take those approaches. As things stand now, a vaccine is the only reasonable way out of this.

I think strong leadership could really help. Where are the trusted voices out there spreading a clear and consistent message while calling for unity, sacrifice, and perseverance while also modeling appropriate behavior and setting a good example?

 

[SamusAranX]

And the graph was cropped to make us look like we are in the middle of the pack, here is a better view. Deaths per 1 million population from highest to lowest. Blue arrow in the US.

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I think it’s not necessarily the best to compare to EVERY country. And that goes both ways. If you compare the US to for example, any third world country, they will come out looking like gold just because of the economic differences and how they play into medical care access, educational awareness of safety measures, etc
It’s best to compare the US to other developed nations and see where they stand. Hint: not great, not the worst, but not where you ideally want to be