Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chi84]

I don't know 50% is a big number especially during a bad recession.

I doubt it would be 50%. Polls have proven wildly inaccurate even about something as simple as a presidential election, where virtually all factors are known to the person being polled. I don't lend much credence to a poll asking people about what they would do under future, unknown circumstances regarding a vaccine that doesn't even exist yet.

I suspect that when a vaccine is approved, people will talk to their doctors and other trusted sources before deciding what to do. They may be more willing to get the vaccine if their children have to get it in order to participate in daycare/in-person schooling/sports, etc. I don't think the government will ever force people to get a vaccine, but the consequences of not getting one may be a factor in what people decide.

In any event, if a vaccine proves safe and effective and is available to all, I'm done with the mask-wearing in order to "protect others." At that point, it becomes incumbent on them to protect themselves or deal with the consequences.

 

[Kevin_W]

Yep. The list of medications pulled after market launch is astonishing. ***-2 inhibitors, Trasylol, and Reglan all come to mind. I’m sure there are others even more recent, and the historic list is huge.

Filter got me. *** is for a drug class that includes Celebrex and Vioxx

My next door neighbor was upset about the Vioxx/Celebrex decision. It was the only medication that gave him relief from severe arthritis. If I recall, it was pulled because of a doubling of your chance of heart attack (from ~0.2% to 0.4%). He was in his 80's and in pain, he wanted to be able to make an informed decision for himself - in his case he felt the increased risk of death was worth the relief..

 

[Chi84]

My next door neighbor was upset about the Vioxx/Celebrex decision. It was the only medication that gave him relief from severe arthritis. If I recall, it was pulled because of a doubling of your chance of heart attack (from ~0.2% to 0.4%). He was in his 80's and in pain, he wanted to be able to make an informed decision for himself - in his case he felt the increased risk of death was worth the relief..

The same was true of my mother, also in her 80's at the time and suffering from severe arthritis. She could not tolerate certain medications containing codeine and Celebrex was the only pain medication that worked for her. She would gladly have accepted the risk.

 

[Miss Bella]

I doubt it would be 50%. Polls have proven wildly inaccurate even about something as simple as a presidential election, where virtually all factors are known to the person being polled. I don't lend much credence to a poll asking people about what they would do under future, unknown circumstances regarding a vaccine that doesn't even exist yet.

I suspect that when a vaccine is approved, people will talk to their doctors and other trusted sources before deciding what to do. They may be more willing to get the vaccine if their children have to get it in order to participate in daycare/in-person schooling/sports, etc. I don't think the government will ever force people to get a vaccine, but the consequences of not getting one may be a factor in what people decide.

In any event, if a vaccine proves safe and effective and is available to all, I'm done with the mask-wearing in order to "protect others." At that point, it becomes incumbent on them to protect themselves or deal with the consequences.

What would the consequences be and how would businesses know if we have been vaccinated? A chip? a bracelet?... sounds like something I've seen in one of those end of the world movies. I don't think people are going to go for that.

 

[Tom Morrow]

The parks are absolutely packed this week. Every major ride’s queue is spilling into the next land. There is NO WAY this is 25% capacity like they are claiming. Even if you removed the social distancing spacing, these lines would still not fit in the queues.

 

[Chi84]

What would the consequences be and how would businesses know if we have been vaccinated? A chip? a bracelet?... sounds like something I've seen in one of those end of the world movies. I don't think people are going to go for that.

Schools and daycare already require vaccinations. Also, see post #41,025.

 

[GatorMom]

Wasn’t coach just calling for a sellout of the UF-LSU game? Brilliant

That was never going to actually happen. Attendance was capped at 17,000 and the only home game played so far didn’t even sell out. Most don’t want to have to sit in the heat wearing a mask. We are season ticket holders and went to the game.

 

[Heppenheimer]

My next door neighbor was upset about the Vioxx/Celebrex decision. It was the only medication that gave him relief from severe arthritis. If I recall, it was pulled because of a doubling of your chance of heart attack (from ~0.2% to 0.4%). He was in his 80's and in pain, he wanted to be able to make an informed decision for himself - in his case he felt the increased risk of death was worth the relief..

Celebrex is still on the market. Viox and Bextra were pulled, the former because of the cardiac data, the latter because of a rare but serious skin reaction.

 

[pocketlint]

That was never going to actually happen. Attendance was capped at 17,000 and the only home game played so far didn’t even sell out. Most don’t want to have to sit in the heat wearing a mask. We are season ticket holders and went to the game.

what was that experience like?

 

[pocketlint]

Celebrex is still on the market. Viox and Bextra were pulled, the former because of the cardiac data, the latter because of a rare but serious skin reaction.

this makes me miss the days when herpes was the only thing to worry about

 

[Miss Bella]

Schools and daycare already require vaccinations. Also, see post #41,025.

They have for years, but I don't believe the require flu vaccines. Also in one of posts you were referring to businesses requiring them.

 

[Lilofan]

Wasn’t coach just calling for a sellout of the UF-LSU game? Brilliant

UF admin told the coach - NO. Kudos to admin for waking up the coach to reality.

 

[pocketlint]

Florida-LSU postponed because of Gators' COVID-19 spike

The Gators think last weekend’s trip to Texas A&M might have fueled the outbreak.

www.tampabay.com

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 64 new deaths reported.

 

[pocketlint]

Florida’s COVID-19 death toll is 15,531. This top GOP leader doesn’t believe it.

Speaker Jose Oliva, R-Miami Lakes, sent a memo Tuesday to all House members announcing the findings of an-in house analysis he ordered of the state’s COVID-19 death numbers and cautioned lawmakers against using the data for policy purposes.

www.tampabay.com

 

[Chi84]

They have for years, but I don't believe the require flu vaccines. Also in one of posts you were referring to businesses requiring them.

I did. People are shocked by the conditions businesses can require as a condition of visiting their property. See WDW room security checks.

Right now, WDW is excluding me from its parks unless I agree to wear a face mask outside in the sun with a heat index of 110 degrees. I'll take "vaccination world" in a heartbeat.

If there is a medical reason someone can't get a vaccine, I'm sure WDW will allow a medical exemption like the one available to autistic kids and adults with severe anxiety who can't wear masks. Oh, wait . . .

 

[GatorMom]

what was that experience like?

It was much different than a regular game day, but we still enjoyed it. UF has the seating spaced out very well and easily identifiable with chair backs placed in seats that can be occupied. Masks were heavily enforced throughout the game. I overheard someone being told they would be forced to leave if they didn’t keep their mask on.

 

[pocketlint]

It was much different than a regular game day, but we still enjoyed it. UF has the seating spaced out very well and easily identifiable with chair backs placed in seats that can be occupied. Masks were heavily enforced throughout the game. I overheard someone being told they would be forced to leave if they didn’t keep their mask on.

glad to hear u had a near normal experience..distancing and masks make me happy to hear..

i am a live music fan and miss concerts.will be a while b4 i can experience that again

 

[baymenxpac]

Florida’s COVID-19 death toll is 15,531. This top GOP leader doesn’t believe it.

Speaker Jose Oliva, R-Miami Lakes, sent a memo Tuesday to all House members announcing the findings of an-in house analysis he ordered of the state’s COVID-19 death numbers and cautioned lawmakers against using the data for policy purposes.

www.tampabay.com

i'm glad you posted this.

this quote right here, from anna eskamani, is the problem with this issue:

“What this comes down to is this is COVID-19 deniers. And I hate to say it, but this is a complete attempt to downplay this pandemic that has destroyed lives across the country and world,” Eskamani said. “There are so many steps we can take to not cause controversy over this pandemic and just get our job done. It’s very frustrating to see these used-up attacks to downplay the pandemic.”

doesn't really seem like she "hates to say it." data integrity is not a conspiracy theory. how and why you count something is important.

so yeah, when you're dealing with a virus that very clearly preys on very weak, very frail patients, and in the case of mortality, is likely to be accompanied by at least one co-morbidity, then how those deaths get classified is a big deal.

so when she says, "this pandemic that has destroyed lives across the country and world," it's probably prudent to find out just how accurately we are classifying these deaths, and what's actually wreaking havoc on the world: the fallout from the virus, or the fallout from public policy response.

i know this doesn't make me popular with the cool kids in this thread, but i'm confident enough not to let that get in the way of my ability to think critically.

 

[pocketlint]

Tampa Bay schools exceed 1,000 coronavirus cases since classes started

Weekly case counts are on the rise, with Newsome and Plant high schools showing the highest numbers so far.

www.tampabay.com

i went to Plant high

ETA . more then once