Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Having been involved in scientific research you can't begin to imagine the cost of equipment, supplies, overhead, salaries just to develop new drug and vaccines--- many of which never pan out or make it to market. All the consumer sees is the end product and has no idea what it takes ($$$$$$) to develop what they are prescribed.

As a starting point:

How much does 7 billion empty vials cost?
 

GoofGoof

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Fauci and Redfield today talking about reopening schools. Talking about it being the default position to get students back in schools and the unintended consequences of not are concerning.
I just hope that school districts are actively planning for remote learning even if they plan to go back physical. My district started working on their virtual platform in March and continued work all summer even though they planned a physical return. It’s not a matter of if, but when things will need to turn virtual. You also have to have plans for educating kids while they serve 14 day quarantine for either being sick or having someone in their household sick and also potentially shorter quarantine time when someone in the school/class gets sick and the school is temporarily closed for a deep cleaning. Even for schools that go back physically there’s going to be time that kids spend learning virtually at home. I hope districts aren’t putting all their eggs in the back to normal physical school basket.
 

toolsnspools

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The money they are getting up front is covering their costs to develop the vaccine, it’s not profit. If the vaccine fails they make nothing off of it. They don’t lose money and the don’t make anything, it’s basically break even. If the vaccine succeeds then they sell it and make a profit. Even if the $955M you are quoting was pure profit, for a company like Pfizer that’s about the equivalent of $0.15 a share. Not exactly a huge windfall for a company with a market cap north or $200B.
Their labs are all being converted into COVID development centers, and all those costs will be covered through the funding. So their typical operating expenses are significantly decreased. Therefore, profits will be up, and bonuses will be paid.
 

mmascari

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We’ve been told that if we go back and someone tests positive then anyone who was near them for 15+ minutes has to quarantine. Imagine a high school student who attends 6 classes.. school will be disruptive this year no matter how we return.
This type of scenario is what had me the most concerned with the hybrid models.

In our area there wasn't dedicated in school and virtual teachers, just one to cover both. So, the hybrid model meant all of the virtual time was self guided and not live interaction. In the full virtual model, it's all interactive time. Either way, the plan is for double length classes to reduce switching time. In practice this meant hybrid was 1 interactive class every week, or 2 interactive class every 3 weeks and the rest self guided. Full virtual means 2 interactive class every week, just 1 day of self guided. It's 4 classes per day with 8 periods across 2 days. I was struggling with the decision if that limited in person time was worth giving up all the interactive time.

They removed the decision by making it all virtual until January. I'm guessing that part of that decision was based on how the hybrid model would need to deal with a positive test. If a positive test means and entire class, many classes, an entire day group, or all the teachers would have to quarantine while testing was done. Testing that's still taking 2 weeks from need to result. Then, clearly all virtual was correct, as the hybrid model would have worked for about a week or two before it switched anyway. I think that's the biggest obstacle, how dealing with a positive needs to happen. If they could quarantine all those people for 2 days to test and results, and then follow up the next several weeks with some surveillance testing that would minimize the disruption.

On the Disney front, does anyone know how they're managing staff interactions? For instance, are they doing stuff like having multiple groups that do not overlap work an attraction vs one huge overlapping pool of people? If someone tested positive, that would let them pull an entire team for testing. It would also help with contact tracing between employees by keeping the number of contacts smaller. Even if tracing across guests isn't possible (or at least very difficult), tracing across working teams should be completely possible. Plus, it would indicate if some jobs are more risky than others, if some groups are infected more than others. That kind of information would be valuable for both managing the park and general public health.
 

GoofGoof

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Their labs are all being converted into COVID development centers, and all those costs will be covered through the funding. So their typical operating expenses are significantly decreased. Therefore, profits will be up, and bonuses will be paid.
...and a lot of their other R&D is on hold while they focus on Covid so potential lost profits down the road. If the 2 options are wait 3 to 5 years for a vaccine the normal way or have the government spend a billion each on the 5 front runners and get the vaccine way sooner then it’s money well spent. 5 billion is a drop in the bucket when we are spending trillions on bailout bills.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I just hope that school districts are actively planning for remote learning even if they plan to go back physical. My district started working on their virtual platform in March and continued work all summer even though they planned a physical return. It’s not a matter of if, but when things will need to turn virtual. You also have to have plans for educating kids while they serve 14 day quarantine for either being sick or having someone in their household sick and also potentially shorter quarantine time when someone in the school/class gets sick and the school is temporarily closed for a deep cleaning. Even for schools that go back physically there’s going to be time that kids spend learning virtually at home. I hope districts aren’t putting all their eggs in the back to normal physical school basket.
Last night on the news there was a lady talking about her child that was in a daycare. I don’t remember where it was as I walked in on the interview half way through. Anyway she picked up her kid and he had a different masks on then the one he went in with. He said he and his friend traded masks. Got me thinking of kids in school and hoping parents talk to them about seeing a mask they want and making a trade for it.
 

Chip Chipperson

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It’s important for perspective. People die. In tremendous numbers. A Covid death is not more important then a lockdown caused suicide or overdose. A Covid death is not more important then a death from an untreated heart attack or stroke thanks to the panic and fear, lockdowns and our general response to Covid has been. We are dedicating our entire society to “slowing” Covid-19. The virtuous “do something now!” Crowd is completely discounted all other causes of mortality. These discussions are important to have.

Nobody ever said 1 death is more or less important than another. But if you think they're equal in numbers than you're not paying attention to what's going on. This is much more dangerous than the flu and the fact that it's more than doubled the average annual flu deaths in this country should be enough to prove that and stop the comparisons. Suicides are terrible, but show some evidence that says they've outnumbered the amount of lives saved by lockdowns slowing the spread of this virus. I doubt there have been that many more suicides during this period than during similar periods in prior years. As a whole, more lives have been saved from these measures than have been lost.
 

Kevin_W

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NY State is using 5% positivity as the metric to open schools. NY City is using 3%.

Interesting. Even after all this time I can't say I fully understand how testing and % positivity works (aside from low being better!). So if we want schools to open all the healthy people should run out and get tests to drive % positive down?

Aside from pre-surgical cases and athletes, who is being tested to drive the 95% negative goal? Contacts of people that are positive? (Proving whether measures work or not.) Routine tests for front-line workers? (I haven't heard of this happening in my state.)
 

SamusAranX

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What I find interesting is that Miami-Dade has the most stringent restrictions for the longest since the surge started yet is barely moving the needle in going down.
 

Kevin_W

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Last night on the news there was a lady talking about her child that was in a daycare. I don’t remember where it was as I walked in on the interview half way through. Anyway she picked up her kid and he had a different masks on then the one he went in with. He said he and his friend traded masks. Got me thinking of kids in school and hoping parents talk to them about seeing a mask they want and making a trade for it.

This could be the new pin trading at WDW!
 

hopemax

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I was only planning on looking at this for 3 days.

Today: 3,584,193
Difference: 52,472
Covid Tracking: 46,466

However, I just noticed something. Dashboard differences, are closer to CT's total, for the NEXT day.

So today's CT number (46,466) is very close to what I posted yesterday about the Dashboard (46,580). Yesterday's CT number (48,802) is close to what I posted about the Dashboard on the first day (48,871). So I will check in tomorrow to see if CT posts a number around 52,000.

Death tally, since today was another bad day. New daily high is 7/16 at 135 (including the one erroneously reported as occurring in 1966). Every day between 7/6 - 7/22 is now above 100.

And yep: 52,352

I realized I haven't been really paying attention to when CT post's their daily total. So I'm not sure if it's actually shifted a day or I was just checking too early. The 52K is the 7/30 posted number and it is the (dashboard from 7/30) - (dashboard from 7/29). I just don't know if it was posted yesterday, late, or this morning.

Instead of using the dashboard numbers, they may be using the total number of tests published by FLDOH and the two different percentages to calculate it, that way. That might account for it not matching exactly. But CT's total is representative of the actual number of new tests, once you pull out what must be a lot of people being retested.

@Kevin_W

I don't know what today's death total is, but the file broken down by day just got updated. A couple a days ago, with the reporting delay, you had to look back 7 days to find a total over 100. Today, you only need to go back 4 days. The chain of 100s that stopped at 7/22 yesterday, goes through 7/25 today.
 
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