Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[thomas998]

Look to the NIH website for more information.

Emerging viruses have been a concern for some time.

From the abstract of a paper that was published in September 2019 called, "Emergence and Reemergence of Viral Zoonotic Diseases: Concepts and Factors of Emerging and Reemerging Globalization of Health Threats."

The unpredictable emergence of new zoonotic diseases with viral etiology is currently a hot issue in the scientific and political circles. Viral emergence and reemergence, as a sanitary event, are only the visible part of the iceberg, while the hidden one corresponds to a multitude of complex and interrelated factors, including societal and environmental factors favoring the advent of the state of viral emergence and reemergence.

According to the World Health Organization, 60% of the agents recognized as human pathogens come from the animal kingdom, and 75% of the pathogens responsible for emerging and reemerging animal diseases present a potential transgression of interface between interspecies establishing favorable conditions for genetic exchange leading to the emergence of new highly pathogenic variants and strains of which the animal is often the host reservoir.

Further down:
Bat-borne zoonotic diseases add a supplementary challenge to the global health community and their role has been demonstrated in the emergence and reemergence of many serious and highly publicized viral infectious diseases [Ebola and Marburg virus (reemergence in 2014), Hendra virus (emergence since 1994), Nipah virus (emergence since 1997)].

I never said they stopped all research, only that when SARS burned itself out the research for a SARS vaccine stopped making sense.

 

[thomas998]

I would like to turn the direction of this thread. We know WDW will reopen eventually. I presume they will want to limit capacity. My question is how?

Maybe they can use a similar way to the Disneyland app where you must reserve a time to be in a park.

If they try to limit access I would expect the first version of opening would be for resort guests only. Then gradually let outsiders return. The big question is how do they deal with the local AP holders that have still been getting bills, once it opens for anyone you would expect them to have to welcome the AP as well.

 

[George]

Screw commas.

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[Disney Analyst]

I posted a tweet with numbers on current worldwide count cases, but it contained something political that I missed I guess?

So my entire point was, based on the current worldwide reported numbers the mortality rate is 6+%. I know these are only reported, so it will likely skew lower, but that number still shocks.

 

[Polynesia]

If they try to limit access I would expect the first version of opening would be for resort guests only. Then gradually let outsiders return. The big question is how do they deal with the local AP holders that have still been getting bills, once it opens for anyone you would expect them to have to welcome the AP as well.

It going to depend on actual attendance I imagine. If the parks fill up with resort guests only it will be hard to let in AP’s. If the parks need guests they’ll be welcome. I suspect the parks won’t allow capacity numbers for the time being. As an AP holder myself I’d be ok with perhaps being allowed to visit certain days of the week to start with. I’m sure others would not be ok with it. Disney, as well as Universal and Sea World, have quite a task to figure out how to pull this off.

 

[LittleBuford]

I posted a tweet with numbers on current worldwide count cases, but it contained something political that I missed I guess?

So my entire point was, based on the current worldwide reported numbers the mortality rate is 6+%. I know these are only reported, so it will likely skew lower, but that number still shocks.

Here's an apolitical link to the same information:

Global coronavirus death toll hits 100,000, cases over 1.6 million

The number of deaths linked to the novel coronavirus reached 100,000 on Friday, as the tally of cases passed 1.6 million, according to a Reuters tally.

www.reuters.com

 

[Disstevefan1]

If they try to limit access I would expect the first version of opening would be for resort guests only. Then gradually let outsiders return. The big question is how do they deal with the local AP holders that have still been getting bills, once it opens for anyone you would expect them to have to welcome the AP as well.

Well maybe on site guests only AND APs ( where APs need to reserve a time slot ) would be a good mix. This does devalue the AP, but it’s better than nothing.

 

[Josh Hendy]

I posted a tweet with numbers on current worldwide count cases, but it contained something political that I missed I guess?

So my entire point was, based on the current worldwide reported numbers the mortality rate is 6+%. I know these are only reported, so it will likely skew lower, but that number still shocks.

It seems that many places are still doing very few tests and the people who are tested are mostly the ones with severe symptoms and admitted to hospital.

The whole "numbers game" and the modeling and prediction rackets are messed up and personally, I put very little effort into reading and trying to interpret them. Every country and every hospital have different criteria and then the numbers are massaged by higher authorities to suit their various agendas.

Tuesday humor: last time I looked at a chart by a supposedly respectable organization showing the worldwide pandemic "curve" the legend said "based on the Wuhan experience". Read ... "fibs".

 

[George]

Nothing is apolitical. For example, I might type, "I think your politics is stupid" or "your favorite politcal person (more commonly known as a doo doo head) is stupid" and everyone is all like, "you're being so judgmental, you snowflake, dunderhead." A HUGE overreaction. All I really meant is that, "I think your politics and by extension, you are stupid." Grow up people!

 

[thomas998]

It going to depend on actual attendance I imagine. If the parks fill up with resort guests only it will be hard to let in AP’s. If the parks need guests they’ll be welcome. I suspect the parks won’t allow capacity numbers for the time being. As an AP holder myself I’d be ok with perhaps being allowed to visit certain days of the week to start with. I’m sure others would not be ok with it. Disney, as well as Universal and Sea World, have quite a task to figure out how to pull this off.

I just saw a news article where the governor of Florida cut off the states Surgeon General when he mentioned the social distancing needed to last until the end of the year. That doesn't look too good for those hoping for a quick return to amusement parks.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

“Hundreds” is represented by:
100
“In Thousands” is represented by:
1,000
“In millions” is represented by:
1,000 (the extra zeros are “implied” - the descriptor tells the reader how to interpret)
“In billions” is represented by:
1,000 (the extra zeros are “implied” - the descriptor tells the reader how to interpret)
Make sense?

Posts like this is why I don't even bother with this thread. Nonsense.

 

[George]

Look, I know everything. Number of people infected, morbidity rate, amount of under and over reporting by country, state, county, parish, city, town, province, territory, region of interest, etc. how to reopen the economy safely, what's wrong with each of the 17 vaccines being currently formulated worldwide, whether or not you can re contract Covid-19, whether or not you're (I mean YOU personally, just based on information gleaned from your magic avatar) safe, and the new Covid-19 ameloriation features that will be available on Kali River Rapids on WDW's reopening date (which I also know). Interest seems low however, so I guess I'll binge watch each Star Trek television show in order (even Enterprise).

 

[thomas998]

It seems that many places are still doing very few tests and the people who are tested are mostly the ones with severe symptoms and admitted to hospital.

The whole "numbers game" and the modeling and prediction rackets are messed up and personally, I put very little effort into reading and trying to interpret them. Every country and every hospital have different criteria and then the numbers are massaged by higher authorities to suit their various agendas.

Tuesday humor: last time I looked at a chart by a supposedly respectable organization showing the worldwide pandemic "curve" the legend said "based on the Wuhan experience". Read ... "fibs".

The only numbers that seem even remotely useable are the deaths from the virus in the different states. But you are right about the testing numbers they are horribly skewed some places do zero testing and assume that if you have the symptoms you are infected but because you were tested you are officially infected according to the numbers. Or my favorite is the county I live in where the testing is now only being done in a secret testing site which will only be reveal to you if your doctors refers you and only if you have passed 3 different threshold, of a specific fever, contact with someone that was infected and a persistent cough... 2 of them are fairly easy to pass but how in the world do you know if you were in contact with someone that was infected unless someone in your family has already tested positive but they can't be tested because they would first have to have someone else in the family being infected... it is a wonderful catch 22 which means they really don't want to test anyone because it would make it look like they had a higher infection rate.

 

[Polynesia]

I just saw a news article where the governor of Florida cut off the states Surgeon General when he mentioned the social distancing needed to last until the end of the year. That doesn't look too good for those hoping for a quick return to amusement parks.

I doubt Disney will be closed that long. They’ll find a way to do social distancing as best they can.

 

[King Panda 77]

I doubt Disney will be closed that long. They’ll find a way to do social distancing as best they can.

I think Disney will be closed longer than people are expecting.

 

[thomas998]

"After weeks of holding out hope the Tour de France would be able to go ahead as planned despite the coronavirus pandemic, the world’s most famous cycling race was finally added to the list of sporting events called off.

It may still happen this year, but it’s clear the three-week race won’t be starting on June 27 in the Riviera city of Nice as scheduled."

Tour de France postponed, could start in late August

The Tour de France has joined the long list of sports events to be postponed because of the coronavirus pandemic

www.usatoday.com

Not sure why they would have cancelled it, the riders are generally so doped up they could probably tap dance in an Ebola ward not waltz out happy.

 

[thomas998]

I think Disney will be closed longer than people are expecting.

Yes I can't imagine them opening up until the government at both the state and federal levels give them a greenlight because if they opened up before that time they would be opening themselves up to lots of litigation from people claimed it caused their infection.

 

[GoofGoof]

It going to depend on actual attendance I imagine. If the parks fill up with resort guests only it will be hard to let in AP’s. If the parks need guests they’ll be welcome. I suspect the parks won’t allow capacity numbers for the time being. As an AP holder myself I’d be ok with perhaps being allowed to visit certain days of the week to start with. I’m sure others would not be ok with it. Disney, as well as Universal and Sea World, have quite a task to figure out how to pull this off.

In the beginning a lot of resort guests may end up being AP holders booking rooms on AP discounts. Especially the first few months after open. It’s going to be hard to fill the resorts with infrequent visitors, especially if there are a lot of restrictions.

 

[peter11435]

Yes I can't imagine them opening up until the government at both the state and federal levels give them a greenlight because if they opened up before that time they would be opening themselves up to lots of litigation from people claimed it caused their infection.

I don’t think anyone is dumb enough to think that Disney will open before the state or federal government gives the green light. The question is when will that green light come.

 

[DCBaker]

I just saw a news article where the governor of Florida cut off the states Surgeon General when he mentioned the social distancing needed to last until the end of the year. That doesn't look too good for those hoping for a quick return to amusement parks.

Yes, this happened at the presser yesterday -

"Floridians will be keeping their distance and wearing face masks for up to a year until a COVID-19 vaccine exists, Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees said Monday before being whisked away by the governor’s spokeswoman.

Rivkees told reporters that Floridians needed to get used to current precautions, such as avoiding crowds of 10 or more and wearing face masks in public.

“Until we get a vaccine, which is a while off, this is going to be our new normal and we need to adapt and protect ourselves,” he said."

Florida should social distance until a vaccine exists â even if itâs next year, surgeon general says

After his assertion on social distancing, Scott Rivkees was quickly removed from the room by Gov. Ron DeSantis’ spokeswoman.

www.tampabay.com