Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Working from home is no where near as easy and enjoyable as most people think.

I think it comes down to the kind of company you work for/with. The benefit of working from home is to allow you to save time on your commutes and not stick to the firm 9-5 schedule. Now, if a business can only conduct their business during those set hours, then it doesn't make much of a difference. If you typically don't have a lot of meetings and just have to get things done, then you could feasibly start earlier in the day and work later at night and leave the middle of the day open to either work, get stuff done around the house, run errands, etc. It comes down to your line of work. There are many days where I can work from 6-10am and then again from 6-10pm, but the middle of my day allows me to do other things (while also recharging in some sense to hit my last four hours as strong as my first four hours).

I love working from home and have done quite a bit of it in my career. It's definitely not for everyone, but I think that has more to do with the company and the expectations they set upon people. Especially in the US where it's "WORK! WORK! WORK" and maximizing productivity, which is different from a lot of other countries where people take the center stage, not the work itself.

 

[DisneyCane]

There is no way Disney will ever require people to be swabbed before entering the parks. It would literally do no good, is an operational nightmare, a legal liability and is highly invasive. Might as well just close up shop and sell it for parts.

The thermometer thing is a possibility but the reality is that it would be nothing more than pure theater, as its well established asymptotic people are a primary reason for the virus spreading as fast as it has.

It is not "well established" that asymptomatic people are the primary reason for the fast spread. They don't know anything for sure at this point. It will take a lot more study for the method of spread to be "well established." Right now the experts are taking educated guesses.

For all they know the rapid spread is because a single sneeze can infect 20 people. On the other side of the spectrum, asymptomatic people talking could spread it. None of it is known at this point.

Part of South Korea's actions was doing widespread temperature screening before entering crowded places. It is unknown if that is a significant contributor to getting the spread under control there but it could be.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I think it comes down to the kind of company you work for/with. The benefit of working from home is to allow you to save time on your commutes and not stick to the firm 9-5 schedule. Now, if a business can only conduct their business during those set hours, then it doesn't make much of a difference. If you typically don't have a lot of meetings and just have to get things done, then you could feasibly start earlier in the day and work later at night and leave the middle of the day open to either work, get stuff done around the house, run errands, etc. It comes down to your line of work. There are many days where I can work from 6-10am and then again from 6-10pm, but the middle of my day allows me to do other things (while also recharging in some sense to hit my last four hours as strong as my first four hours).

I love working from home and have done quite a bit of it in my career. It's definitely not for everyone, but I think that has more to do with the company and the expectations they set upon people. Especially in the US where it's "WORK! WORK! WORK" and maximizing productivity, which is different from a lot of other countries where people take the center stage, not the work itself.



He's entitled to his opinion. Even if it's wrong

Oh, I absolutely agree that who you work for and the type of work can make a huge difference.

The expectations of others in your household/circle of friends can also play a huge role in how easy and enjoyable it can be as well.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I daresay, emotionally, all of us (or nearly all of us) would like to return to 'the way things were."

But it doesn't do us any good to project our emotional wishes as though they are factual outcomes.

Again, when this thread started, many posters predicted that WDW wouldn't close, then they said it would only close for a few weeks, because that is what they wanted.

Now, we are seeing the same kind of posts regarding the re-opening of WDW and other businesses.

Instead of focusing on the past we crave, we'd do better to consider creative solutions to the challenges that lie ahead.

Just food for thought. I'm personally enjoying the creative, humorous, and informative posts best of all.

 

[wdwmagic]

Just reminder, if you want to make a political post - you can do so in the right section

Politics and Social Issues

forums.wdwmagic.com

Thanks!

 

[peter11435]

Disclaimer: This is, once again, not a political post. I am posting this as it relates to Walt Disney World potentially reopening. Please don't dive into presidential politics in response to this. Pretty please?

Dr. Zeke Emanuel, who is an adviser to Joe Biden on the COVID-19 situation, has been making the rounds on the news shows warning that Americans should prepare for restrictions to be in place for the next 18 months. He is not suggesting that all businesses are going to remain closed or that we can't go to work for 18 months. But he is saying that he believes there are still going to have to be serious social restrictions in place.

Of particular interest to the idea of WDW and Disneyland reopening, he said, "The truth is we have no choice. ... We cannot return to normal until there's a vaccine. Conferences, concerts, sporting events, religious services, dinner in a restaurant, none of that will resume until we find a vaccine, a treatment, or a cure."

Is he right or wrong? I have no idea. Personally, I find it hard to believe that all churches and restaurants in America are going to stay shut down until a vaccine is found. But major concerts, sporting events, and places like WDW and DL? I could see how at least that argument might be made.

Here are some sources for his remarks. In order to avoid the appearance of getting political, I am providing one from a right-wing source and one from a left-wing source.

Biden adviser, ObamaCare architect Zeke Emanuel says US should 'prepare' for coronavirus measures to last 18 months

Dr. Zeke Emanuel, an adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on the coronavirus, said this week that Americans could be dealing with strict social distancing measures to combat the coronavirus for 18 months and that the U.S."will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a...

www.foxnews.com

Dr. Zeke Emanuel on the return to ‘normal’

Dr. Emanuel explains when he believes we will get back to normal, why we must be honest and realistic about the timeline- and what we must do in the meantime.

www.msnbc.com

Again I point out that while many are claiming that life can not resume until a vaccine is found, it is possible that will never happen. At best it’s over a year away but there are viruses we have never found a vaccine for. We’ve been waiting 40 years for an HIV vaccine.

 

[peter11435]

Latest from Dr. Birx:

The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone’s life.

Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem,” she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. “Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

“The intent is … if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that,” she added.

Isn’t that exactly how it should be?

the answer is yes

 

[DisneyCane]

Again I point out that while many are claiming that life can not resume until a vaccine is found, it is possible that will never happen. At best it’s over a year away but there are viruses we have never found a vaccine for. We’ve been waiting 40 years for an HIV vaccine.

HIV is very different. The virus attacks the immune system itself. To be overly simplistic, therefore the immune system is unable to produce antibodies to it.

The fact that people do recover from COVID-19 and produce antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 means that a vaccine is possible. The big unknown is how long the vaccine will provide immunity for.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Isn’t that exactly how it should be?

the answer is yes

The reason why has also been answered here before by a doctor.

 

[Andrew C]

Isn’t that exactly how it should be?

the answer is yes

The bigger question for me is why other countries are recording differently. It seems that will have an impact on the global data available.

 

[Tom P.]

Just reminder, if you want to make a political post - you can do so in the right section

Politics and Social Issues

forums.wdwmagic.com

Thanks!

I have addressed concerns to both you and @The Mom privately. Neither has chosen to respond. I will just throw this out here. If you choose to reprimand me or want me to leave the thread, so be it.

But can I ask an honest question? This is not meant to be snarky or disrespectful at all.

Why so much concern about political posts in the COVID-19 discussion threads?

I have been around these forums for quite some time now, and I certainly understand that political threads can go bad really quickly. And I fully understand and support the normal blanket prohibition on political discussions in what are supposed to be Disney-oriented discussions.

But these are unique times, and I find it extremely difficult to discuss COVID-19, even in relation to Walt Disney World, without wading somewhat into politics. And given that 95% of the discussion happening on the boards right now is COVID-19-related, it seems that some political discussion is inevitable.

Speaking only for myself, I find these discussion forums to be therapeutic. This is not CNN or FOX News. These are people who I spend a great deal of time under normal circumstances chatting with about Disney, and now we are all discussing the impact of COVID-19 on our lives and the world. It's a great outlet, IMHO, for these discussions, but now I am concerned about my posts because many of them contain some sort of content that could be seen as "political" in nature.

Thanks for your time and for all the work you do here.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

We’ve been waiting 40 years for an HIV vaccine.

You have posted this several times. It isn't particularly informative, because most of us know a little about HIV.

While there is no cure, there are now a multitude of HIV treatments, and a number of reasonably effective preventive measures, that, when followed, have drastically reduced the spread of HIV.

A number of HIV related drugs are widely advertised.

At this point, there is much unknown where the current pandemic is concerned. Some type of consensus will eventually be reached. Personally, when people talk about a vaccine, I don't completely take the idea literally. In my mind vaccine is a bit of a metaphor.

 

[wdwmagic]

I have addressed concerns to both you and @The Mom privately. Neither has chosen to respond. I will just throw this out here. If you choose to reprimand me or want me to leave the thread, so be it.

But can I ask an honest question? This is not meant to be snarky or disrespectful at all.

Why so much concern about political posts in the COVID-19 discussion threads?

I have been around these forums for quite some time now, and I certainly understand that political threads can go bad really quickly. And I fully understand and support the normal blanket prohibition on political discussions in what are supposed to be Disney-oriented discussions.

But these are unique times, and I find it extremely difficult to discuss COVID-19, even in relation to Walt Disney World, without wading somewhat into politics. And given that 95% of the discussion happening on the boards right now is COVID-19-related, it seems that some political discussion is inevitable.

Speaking only for myself, I find these discussion forums to be therapeutic. This is not CNN or FOX News. These are people who I spend a great deal of time under normal circumstances chatting with about Disney, and now we are all discussing the impact of COVID-19 on our lives and the world. It's a great outlet, IMHO, for these discussions, but now I am concerned about my posts because many of them contain some sort of content that could be seen as "political" in nature.

Thanks for your time and for all the work you do here.

Just about to reply to your private message - got a huge backlog, apologies for the delay.

 

[natatomic]

HIV is very different. The virus attacks the immune system itself. To be overly simplistic, therefore the immune system is unable to produce antibodies to it.

The fact that people do recover from COVID-19 and produce antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 means that a vaccine is possible. The big unknown is how long the vaccine will provide immunity for.

I don’t think any vaccine provides lifelong immunity for any disease. I mean, I think they CAN, but I think it’s pretty common for immunity to wane over time, making tons of adults who don’t get their boosters, essentially, “unvaccinated.” Have you ever had your titers checked? I did - I had zero immunity to anything aside from chickenpox, which I had as a kid (to somewhat date me, since I was a kid before that vaccine came out), which did in fact give me lifelong immunity. I’m not a doctor, so I don’t actually know the percentages of who keeps their immunity and who doesn’t, but of those I know who had their titers checked, few are immune to anything forever. It’d be interesting to see if the vaccine they create for this will be yearly like the flu, or just another addition to the childhood schedule (once it’s distributed to the population, en masse.)

 

[Touchdown]

To add more HIV is also a very unique virus because that virus attacks your immune system directly. A vaccine harnesses the power of your immune system to repel an infection, this virus has evolved to not cause T-cells to recognize they are getting infected and activate the immune system (which is literally that cells primary function) no other virus we know of does this.

SARS-NOS2 is a much more garden variety Respiratory Virus that also appears to not be mutating as rapidly as expected compared to other viruses, it’s much easier to create a vaccine for it.

 

[donsullivan]

Again, you missed my point. 99.5-99.8 is Her resting temp - what her body is when it as at rest. It can easily be 100.4 just from running around or being a little dehydrated - i know because i have had to deal with her school multiple times on this issue because of their 100.4 threshold. An elevated resting temp means the threshold of calling something a fever for her isn’t 100.4, as i detailed last night.

Anyway, my overall point is that there are medical conditions that result in poor temperature regulation - meaning someone, like my daughter, can have what other would consider a fever - 100.4 - and yet not be sick or infectious at all (again, as determined by medical professionals). So how
Does disney handle that, given their own statements on their website of not requiring proof of medical conditions due to legal restrictions of doing so? How would a child like mine, whose fever threshold is higher, get past these temperatute scans without requiring medical documentation, and if the answer is they can’t, then how does disney suddenly go from saying there are legal restrictions on them asking for proof of medical conditions to then requiring it?

Rather than hyperventilating about the whole topic, it seems more appropriate that we wait to see IF any such policy is put into effect and what the guidelines are. No matter what they do someone is going to feel personally offended and attacked by it but these are simply not normal times and demanding that Disney accommodate hundreds if not thousands of 'my person has unique issues' is simply not practical given the way things are right now. Disney has a responsibility to ensure the safety of their guests when they reopen and they are totally and completely aware of that.

WHEN they publish the guidelines when it's time to re-open the parks, if you cannot live with them (whatever they are) or don't like them then simply do not go to the parks. This isn't rocket science here. As of today, there is nothing more than Bob Iger sharing some of the things they are thinking about. Getting insanely worked up over this is just ridiculous. Wait until actual guidelines are actually published and if you personally, during the time those would be in effect will be impacted then reschedule your visit if you are unwilling/unable to comply. But the level of insanity that is flying around on this topic the last couple of days is just way over the top; especially given what the entire planet is going through right now.

 

[Patcheslee]

I don’t think any vaccine provides lifelong immunity for any disease. I mean, I think they CAN, but I think it’s pretty common for immunity to wane over time, making tons of adults who don’t get their boosters, essentially, “unvaccinated.” Have you ever had your titers checked? I did - I had zero immunity to anything aside from chickenpox, which I had as a kid (to somewhat date me, since I was a kid before that vaccine came out), which did in fact give me lifelong immunity. I’m not a doctor, so I don’t actually know the percentages of who keeps their immunity and who doesn’t, but of those I know who had their titers checked, few are immune to anything forever. It’d be interesting to see if the vaccine they create for this will be yearly like the flu, or just another addition to the childhood schedule (once it’s distributed to the population, en masse.)

I didn't know besides flu vaccines weren't lifelong immunity until I was pregnant. First thing done was blood work for immunity. Ag 28yo meant MMR and chickenpox immunity was gone, and due to the pregnancy I had to be more concerned with them since shots can't be given while pregnant.
You'd think that was something a doctor would keep up on at annual checkups.

 

[Jwink]

The union is fighting for health care? The same health care that Disney advised all the salaried and non union cast impacted would keep while furloghed? When the union cast get furloughed it is no shocker that they would retain the same health care. Does not look like much of a fight. If the union was looking out in the cast best interest, they should be fighting for cast reinstatement of their roles when the parks and resorts re-open. That will be a challenge because when all areas are not operational, less staffing is needed. Unions are a business too and if some union members don't all get recalled back that's less union dues the union is collecting.

I was giving an example of what the discussions are and why they haven’t announced it yet. They aren’t saying it’s even a question. They are in talks about who they bring back, how, and when... and also having Disney petition the governor so they don’t ‘throw their union members in to an already broken system’

 

[peter11435]

You have posted this several times. It isn't particularly informative, because most of us know a little about HIV.

While there is no cure, there are now a multitude of HIV treatments, and a number of reasonably effective preventive measures, that, when followed, have drastically reduced the spread of HIV.

A number of HIV related drugs are widely advertised.

At this point, there is much unknown where the current pandemic is concerned. Some type of consensus will eventually be reached. Personally, when people talk about a vaccine, I don't completely take the idea literally. In my mind vaccine is a bit of a metaphor.

I believe this was the second time I’ve mentioned so not exactly several. I use HIV as an example but it’s not the only virus we do not have a vaccine for. The point is that while possible and maybe even likely, the prospect of developing an effective and safe vaccine is not a guarantee. Regardless of advancements in methods of prevention and treatment there remains no vaccine that protect against HIV despite the fact that scientists have been working on that very goal for four decades.

Vaccine is not a metaphor to be used in place of any other treatment or preventive measure. It’s a scientific term with a very specific meaning and use.

 

[WallyWorld]

I have addressed concerns to both you and @The Mom privately. Neither has chosen to respond. I will just throw this out here. If you choose to reprimand me or want me to leave the thread, so be it.

But can I ask an honest question? This is not meant to be snarky or disrespectful at all.

Why so much concern about political posts in the COVID-19 discussion threads?

I have been around these forums for quite some time now, and I certainly understand that political threads can go bad really quickly. And I fully understand and support the normal blanket prohibition on political discussions in what are supposed to be Disney-oriented discussions.

But these are unique times, and I find it extremely difficult to discuss COVID-19, even in relation to Walt Disney World, without wading somewhat into politics. And given that 95% of the discussion happening on the boards right now is COVID-19-related, it seems that some political discussion is inevitable.

Speaking only for myself, I find these discussion forums to be therapeutic. This is not CNN or FOX News. These are people who I spend a great deal of time under normal circumstances chatting with about Disney, and now we are all discussing the impact of COVID-19 on our lives and the world. It's a great outlet, IMHO, for these discussions, but now I am concerned about my posts because many of them contain some sort of content that could be seen as "political" in nature.

Thanks for your time and for all the work you do here.

Why not just start a new thread "Politics of COVID-19" ......pretty simple