This may be the wake up call that many people needed - I hope they answer it and get out of bed.
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This may be the wake up call that many people needed - I hope they answer it and get out of bed.
DisneyCane
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What will happen in China when they stop the lockdown? They will still have some people with the virus. This whole thing started from "patient zero" and will start again.
I do have a better solution. Get the testing rolled out so infected people can be isolated. Recommend that people 70+ stay at home until the virus is somewhat controlled.
Well, you're clearly a hoopy frood.
Rimmit
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I never stated a vaccine was a quick fix. And I think 12 months is pretty agressive in getting one out.
Actually, because this virus spreads easily and is relatively mild in 80 percent of the cases, this is actually a perfect disease to gain innate immunity. A truly virulent disease is difficult to gain immunity to because the people die too fast to spread the disease so the population gains immunity. That’s why the worst diseases tend to burn out (Ebola). This disease was a perfect storm in that the young can spread it easily and survive reasonably unscathed but the elderly are leveled by it, so it doesn’t burn out.
In the same way when I was growing up we had “Chicken Pox parties.” Prior to the VZV (chicken pox) vaccine people would have their kids have a party with a child with known chicken pox. The purpose of this was to gain innate immunity to Chicken Pox and to prevent the disease in older adults where a primary infection was notably more severe. In kids you had a little fever, had some vesicular rash and felt a little bad for a week. But you recovered and were now immune. In elderly patients it could result in pneumonia and death. So you got the disease early on to prevent you from contracting it later in life when it would be more complicated.
In theory we could do the same here. Since kids and younger people are relatively minimally effected we could have Covid parties. The issue here is that Covid is only mild in 80 percent of patients. If we have 20 percent requiring hospital admission,CPAP, ventilator, possibly ecmo, that is an issue.
As an ICU physician, I will tell you this is an issue. There is only so many ventilators in a hospital. Only so many ICU nurses and doctors. These systems already can be at capacity without Covid running around. Add in a disease in which 1/5 ends up admitted and no healthcare system can absorb that level of acuity. I have had to make decisions in the past where I have had to push people off a vent before I felt they were 100 percent ready because I needed the vent for someone else. This was before Covid. On top of that, this is impacting not just those with Covid but elective procedures and some emergency procedures. With Covid running around elective procedures will likely be halted altogether. So let’s say you have breast cancer and need a mastectomy, guess what, not happening of the hospital are overrun with Covid. If you have a heart attack and require a ventilator so they can do a bypass on you and they are all used up for covid, guess what, someone isn’t going to make it. Let’s say you have a stroke, or get in a car wreck and need a ventilator, again, not available.
It’s not just about those infected, it’s about the trickledown effects on everyone else
In healthcare. I totally see your point of view, but there is more to this than the deaths of elderly patients.
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21stamps
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We can’t. The have declared state of emergency for this very reason, at least a large part of the reason. They have more control than ever right now.
GoofGoof
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The problem is the bug is out there and we have no idea how many are infected. If they rolled out mass testing back in Jan we could have done exactly that with no need for this extreme social distancing. With people having majority mild symptoms it would have also been hard to get them to show up for testing back in Jan. I think people’s eyes are wide open now so roll it out and get this over with.
DisneyDebRob
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I agree with you that it may start again. As for the testing, we should have been more prepared a month and a half ago at least. Problem was our leaders, and this is not a political stand by me just facts, were saying no worries, we are safe and ok. Then when it got here and started spreading, we didn’t have the testing ready. Now we are in this position to try to move ahead from here. I don’t know what the answers are, I just know what we are doing now,IMO, won’t work.
GoofGoof
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This is just PA (on PA dept of health website):
COVID-19 Testing in Pennsylvania*
| Persons Under Investigation (PUIs) | Negative | Pending | Positive |
| 446 | 205 | 183 | 63 |
Sadly we have only tested 446 people in total.
Here’s the positive cases by county (I live in Montgomery)
- Counties impacted to date include:
- Allegheny (3)
- Bucks (4)
- Chester (2)
- Cumberland (5)
- Delaware (7)
- Lehigh (1)
- Luzerne (1)
- Monroe (6)
- Montgomery (24)
- Northampton (1)
- Philadelphia (6)
- Pike (1)
- Washington (1)
- Wayne (1)
DisneyDebRob
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I’ve looked and everything I’ve found seems like just a guess.
GoofGoof
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Why would 350 million need to be tested? That would be a bad waste of resources. Just test the people with symptoms and make it easy to get tested immediately. If they did this from the start the sick would have been identified, isolated and their contacts traced. This thing would be more contained.
21stamps
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Thank you.
Yeah.. nothing I can find has the amount of tests per county.
The area I live in is 3 counties that make up ‘Greater Cincinnati’ (on the Ohio side).. In all 3, there is only 1 family confirmed positive. Zero in the other 2.
It would be a lot more helpful to know how many were tested in each!
DisneyDebRob
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I saw this chart also and by the time I read it, my county went up by 4.
You may have to go to state health department websites. Here is the link to the FL Heath Department, which has this information.
GoofGoof
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My guess is not many. It’s still very hard to qualify for testing mostly anywhere...unless you work for an NBA team.
ImperfectPixie
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I live in MA, and on one of the larger news station's websites, the state map of data is incomplete with 3 counties showing no data available out of 13...and the map was just updated as I checked less than 30 minutes ago and our county was one of the ones showing no data. Our county now has one confirmed positive.
DisneyDebRob
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We didn’t have enough test kits to test people with symptoms, for the US, that’s just not good enough. We aren’t a third world country. We saw it coming. No excuse.
21stamps
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You may have to go to state health department websites. Here is the link to the FL Heath Department, which has this information.
This is what is so frustrating!
Why can’t we view the info? It’s like they are creating more panic.. we don’t even have the info available to us to know what’s really going on.
ImperfectPixie
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The president just requested that everyone stop hoarding and buying so much and mentioned that retailers have asked the same. 
Clyde Birdbrain
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Lot of countries are doing better than us. The US are the ones who had a head start, but we failed to get testing started sooner.
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