Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[VaderTron]

With the hits we are/will be seeing to the pocketbooks of most, will WDW restaurants still hold to their ludicrous menu prices?

Example: The new City Works Eatery & Pour House brunch menu charges $18 for french toast (no side of bacon...that costs $6 on it's own.) Then they charge $22 for the equivalent of hash and eggs using braised short rib instead of corned beef. Not to be forgotten is the $15 yogurt parfait.

Does anyone see menu price reductions or will Disney just hold the high prices and take a hit on customers?

 

[skyphotographer]

"The Sky is Falling", I can't believe how many Chicken Littles are hanging out in the thread. In fact, they should rename this thread, "the sky is falling". Every time we have a situation to deal with, some people assume the worst. The worst rarely ever happens. Remember the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico? Barely 10 percent of all that was predicted actually happened. The stock market is forward looking and hates uncertainty. That's why it has fallen so much. It will recover quickly when this situation becomes clearer.

This virus will pass just like all of them in the past...and sooner than you think. Everything will get back to normal and some will have a good laugh on all the "Chicken LIttles". Anyone remember the Y2K hysteria?

 

[willtravel]

If DeWine is closing bars and restaurants then there should be no primary on Tuesday.

 

[danitaytay]

What's FA?

FA is Fall Advantage! The start dates are earlier (May-June) than the regular fall program.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

With the hits we are/will be seeing to the pocketbooks of most, will WDW restaurants still hold to their ludicrous menu prices?

Example: The new City Works Eatery & Pour House brunch menu charges $18 for french toast (no side of bacon...that costs $6 on it's own.) Then they charge $22 for the equivalent of hash and eggs using braised short rib instead of corned beef. Not to be forgotten is the $15 yogurt parfait.

Does anyone see menu price reductions or will Disney just hold the high prices and take a hit on customers?

They will hold the prices for sure, probably not raise them for awhile. I know this is something they haven’t encountered before,at least to this level, but I have never seen a price adjustment going cheaper since I’ve been going since 1973. I hope they prove me wrong!

 

[21stamps]

For any parents in Ohio-


“We've informed the superintendents while we close schools for three weeks, that the odds are that this is going to go on a lot longer and it would not surprise me at all if schools did not open again this year," the governor said.

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Again, school “years” are by grade, not calendar.. but this is the first I’ve heard him say this. Different from Thursday.

 

[DisneyCane]

The end game is immunity. if this does not slow down or abate by itself, it becomes an endemic disease, just like HIV, Hep B, Flu, the common cold, etc. Eventually either the virus runs out of people to infect or we gain immunity via vaccination.

How long this will take is anybody’s guess, but at some point a disease starts to have difficulty transmitting as it has already infected the majority of the susceptible population or through vaccination efforts and natural immunity we put a stop to it. If it becomes endemic cases will pop up here and there, but ultimately much like chicken pox, measles, etc. Enough are vaccinated or have had the disease to where the spread is very limited.

A vaccine is at least 12 months away. If the only way to slow the spread is essentially shut down the world, are we to keep living like this for the next year?

Because a large number of cases are either asymptomatic or mild AND it spreads relatively easily, it is impossible to eradicate without a vaccine. If you unlock the world a month from now after the rate of new cases becomes a trickle, it is likely that the spread will repeat the same pattern again and get to the same level a month or two later. Does it become SOP to keep shutting the world economy down each time until a vaccine is available? All for a disease that isn't all that deadly. Yes it is more deadly than the flu but it isn't nearly as deadly as SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc. where this type of drastic action would be warranted.

 

[disneygeek90]

For any parents in Ohio-


“We've informed the superintendents while we close schools for three weeks, that the odds are that this is going to go on a lot longer and it would not surprise me at all if schools did not open again this year," the governor said.

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Again, school “years” are by grade, not calendar.. but this is the first I’ve heard him say this. Different from Thursday.

Coronavirus updates are different every day, every hour. I’m learning to expect the unexpected.

 

[Rimmit]

Lots of reports are stating it's possible to get reinfected, also it's quite possible their are multiple strains or will be.

Yes this is a possibility, or it mutates. However, at some point there will be some degree of immunity in the community. This will significantly slow the spread of the virus. The flu shot mutates every year, andwe do our best guess to figure out what to put in the vaccine. That could eventually be the case with covid. We may need a yearly covid shot.

Typically reinventions are much milder than an initial infection. There are only Case reports of reinfection so it hasn’t been studied much. Maybe this covid becomes a latent virus much like HSV and VZV (chicken pox) After reinfection. We just don’t know. The OP was just asking what is the end game, and ultimately it is an endemic disease with some degree of immunity in the community OR it just burns itself out due to lack of susceptible hosts.

 

[ElvisMickey]

Illinois and Ohio just ordered all bars and restaurants to be closed for 2 weeks. S is about to get real, if it hasn’t already.

 

[21stamps]

"The Sky is Falling", I can't believe how many Chicken Littles are hanging out in the thread. In fact, they should rename this thread, "the sky is falling". Every time we have a situation to deal with, some people assume the worst. The worst rarely ever happens. Remember the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico? Barely 10 percent of all that was predicted actually happened. The stock market is forward looking and hates uncertainty. That's why it has fallen so much. It will recover quickly when this situation becomes clearer.

This virus will pass just like all of them in the past...and sooner than you think. Everything will get back to normal and some will have a good laugh on all the "Chicken LIttles". Anyone remember the Y2K hysteria?

Many of us have governors who have forced the hysteria upon us, whether or not we believe the sky is falling due to the virus.. it is now falling , pushed on us, by the many closures that left us scrambling.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Here’s the logic around why this extreme social distancing that has started many places needs to be implemented nationwide. Right now due to a lack of testing we have no idea how many people are actually infected. In that situation we need to assume everyone is potentially infected. By implementing a plan of no unnecessary travel and essentially asking everyone to stay home for 14 days the goal is to find out how many people are actually sick. If I stay at home for 14 days with virtually no outside contact with anyone but my wife and kids, after 14 days we are in the clear. If during that time any of us develop symptoms we should be immediately tested and if positive go on quarantine until we recover. This is obviously only possible If mass testing is available a everyone buys in. There seems to also be a misconception about what mass testing is too. It’s not testing everyone it’s testing anyone with symptoms and doing it immediately. In theory if this plan is actually followed by everyone in 14 days we know exactly who is sick and they all go on quarantine. The rest of the people come out in public again and life continues. Yes, cases will still come around but like Wuhan at a rate of 10 a day and as soon as they do you can trace all contact and test everyone immediately to stop a repeat of the mass spread.

As far as the impact on the economy, this is likely to be less painful than letting everyone just catch the disease and eventually using herd immunity to limit spread. Besides the issues with hospital beds and the loss of life, it will also drag this out at a much more extreme level. I don’t think the extreme social distancing plan will work in 14 days since they haven’t ramped up testing yet but if people buy in it could work in a month. School would go back, bars, restaurants, sports leagues and retail stores can ramp up again and WDW can re-open. If on the other hand too many people are selfish and continue to think it’s OK to be out and about interacting with people we will never get ahead of this. The reason we need a shut down period is people start to be contagious even before showing symptoms so without isolation of virtually everyone this will continue to spread uncontrolled. It’s taking a smaller hit upfront vs a much larger one down the road.

The buy-in is the big problem.

 

[21stamps]

Coronavirus updates are different every day, every hour. I’m learning to expect the unexpected.

I just hope that he leaves it up to the schools if the time does extend. Mandate public schools in certain areas if he wants.. but let the independently run private schools decide what to do for ourselves.

My county has ZERO confirmed cases at this point.. yet more shuts down every day. Test all who need to be tested, KNOW what we’re dealing with.. and then make decisions on closures and canceled events.

All I see now is hysteria.

 

[LSLS]

For those in melt down, along with the bar/restaurant announcement, they announced people will qualify immediately for unemployment. No waits or delays in paychecks. Also a ton of things to help the bars and restaurants.

 

[RobWDW1971]

A vaccine is at least 12 months away. If the only way to slow the spread is essentially shut down the world, are we to keep living like this for the next year?

Because a large number of cases are either asymptomatic or mild AND it spreads relatively easily, it is impossible to eradicate without a vaccine. If you unlock the world a month from now after the rate of new cases becomes a trickle, it is likely that the spread will repeat the same pattern again and get to the same level a month or two later. Does it become SOP to keep shutting the world economy down each time until a vaccine is available? All for a disease that isn't all that deadly. Yes it is more deadly than the flu but it isn't nearly as deadly as SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc. where this type of drastic action would be warranted.

And I wonder what percentage of the people walking around wearing ineffective surgical masks got their flu shot this year? Or went to the doctor for their annual check up? Or mammogram? Or colonoscopy? Or are maintaining the proper BMI?

"I refuse to do all of the things that lead to most death in America, but I'm freaked out about this coronavirus that statistically has virtually no chance of killing me!!!!! I need more toilet paper!!!!!"

 

[rnese]

Just got back from an hour and a half walk around my neighborhood with my wife and kids. Saw and spoke to many neighbors. Nobody sick. Nobody knows of anyone sick. Joked about the grocery stores with some. For purposes of sanity, may I suggest more people do the same? It's probably a nice day outside where you live. Turn off the tv, put down the electronic devices, and appreciate what you have.
Have a nice day!

 

[willtravel]

A vaccine is at least 12 months away. If the only way to slow the spread is essentially shut down the world, are we to keep living like this for the next year?

Because a large number of cases are either asymptomatic or mild AND it spreads relatively easily, it is impossible to eradicate without a vaccine. If you unlock the world a month from now after the rate of new cases becomes a trickle, it is likely that the spread will repeat the same pattern again and get to the same level a month or two later. Does it become SOP to keep shutting the world economy down each time until a vaccine is available? All for a disease that isn't all that deadly. Yes it is more deadly than the flu but it isn't nearly as deadly as SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc. where this type of drastic action would be warranted.

You can't get everyone in the country to get a flu shot why would they get this vaccine?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

A vaccine is at least 12 months away. If the only way to slow the spread is essentially shut down the world, are we to keep living like this for the next year?

Because a large number of cases are either asymptomatic or mild AND it spreads relatively easily, it is impossible to eradicate without a vaccine. If you unlock the world a month from now after the rate of new cases becomes a trickle, it is likely that the spread will repeat the same pattern again and get to the same level a month or two later. Does it become SOP to keep shutting the world economy down each time until a vaccine is available? All for a disease that isn't all that deadly. Yes it is more deadly than the flu but it isn't nearly as deadly as SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc. where this type of drastic action would be warranted.

Have a better solution? Im asking because China put a lock down on tens of millions to control the spread. Italy has done the same. I realize we in the states haven’t done anything that drastic yet but will we have to if it continues to break out here? Where I live the governor has asked for all nonessential businesses to close for a few weeks. Just grocery and pharmacies to stay open. It’s voluntary and guess what.. everything is open. Just came back from a drive around and Target is mobbed, local casino is packed. Restaurants all full. Don’t know what the answer is but this isn’t going to work if the experts are right.

 

[DisneyCane]

The Right to Assembly as guaranteed by the Constitution means the government can't stop you from gathering because they don't like you or don't agree with you. If a government official broke up an Assembly for no good reason, the Supreme Court would be on your side.

But, like all rights, it is not unrestricted. Your Freedom of Speech rights doesn't allow you to yell 'fire' in a crowded theater causing a panic. The government will surely punish you for it and the Supreme Court would applaud.

The assembly of citizens can be curtailed if governments have sufficient reason, usually dealing with public safety. They can impose curfews. They can keep crowds off of public parks to protect the park. They can impose martial law. They can disburse assemblies that have become violent or destructive. They can quarantine infectious people.

And if the government did so for the proper reason of public safety... the Supreme Court would applaud.

Your ideas of sovereign citizenship and unfettered licentiousness is right wing nut case territory.

The fact that I sound like a right wing nut case should be indicative of how deeply this situation is affecting me because, prior to this I wouldn't describe myself as being close to a right wing nut case.

I would challenge the government, using real data to prove that these measures are in the best interests of the vast majority of citizens. I don't believe they are. The economic damage caused by these measures will be far reaching, long lasting and devastating to the quality of life of billions of people in the world. In the worst case, the virus will be deadly to a few million, mostly elderly people. I know it sounds like a big number but in the perspective of the world population, it isn't as big. I realize that some younger people will die from contracting the virus but the AVERAGE age of fatalities has been reported as 81. The young percentage can't be that high because there aren't that many 100+ year-olds to start with to get the average up.

POTUS is trying to buy a German vaccine.

Trump 'offers large sums' for exclusive US access to coronavirus vaccine

German government tries to fight off aggressive takeover bid by US, say reports

www.theguardian.com

Even if this seemingly ridiculous article were true, the vaccine isn't ready yet. Any vaccine will need many months of testing before being approved to be injected into hundreds of millions of healthy people.

And I wonder what percentage of the people walking around wearing ineffective surgical masks got their flu shot this year? Or went to the doctor for their annual check up? Or mammogram? Or colonoscopy? Or are maintaining the proper BMI?

"I refuse to do all of the things that lead to most death in America, but I'm freaked out about this coronavirus that statistically has virtually no chance of killing me!!!!! I need more toilet paper!!!!!"

Or how many of them smoke!

 

[Goofnut1980]

Disney Cruise just sent me a letter about my 5/8 cruise. They are now suspending all Cruises before 4/12.