Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Touchdown

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Breast milk only transfers IgA which a vaccinated person will not produce, IgA is only made and responds to mucosal infections. Once the fetus has been born the maternal IgG will be gone in a few months. It makes sense the child won’t be protected by breast milk.

A recovered Covid mother is far more likely to have IgA.
 

matt9112

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I haven’t seen much to show that boosters Vs. “fully vaxed” keep people out of the hospital.

It’s a legit question... if the data is there please show me. I’m interested in seeing it.

There was a chart here somewhere in the thread. Wasn't much change. Deff diminished returns. I got my two doses and have yet to get any boosters. I just dont see the need for fractions of a %.
Than again im over it already. If i die oh well thats life. Lets move on.
 

Chomama

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Breast milk only transfers IgA which a vaccinated person will not produce, IgA is only made and responds to mucosal infections. Once the fetus has been born the maternal IgG will be gone in a few months. It makes sense the child won’t be protected by breast milk.

A recovered Covid mother is far more likely to have IgA.
So if a vaccinated mom who is nursing gave birth one week ago, how long do you think the baby will have protection before needing her own vaccine? Trying to help my housekeeper understand her choices
 

GuyFawkes

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Subs haven’t been a significant concern due to high teacher attendance in general.
Not a problem in Beaufort county, SC. We also opened schools back up as soon as we could. Sorry no piles of bodies or anthing like that, in fact I don't think we have had one child die of co-vid in the whole school system. 22,000 students BTW. I'm sure we would have heard about it. Sorry teachers aren't dropping dead either. We don't wear masks, you don't need one in a school. You have to wear a mask if you go to the court room, which I find ironic? LOL. Only place you need to wear a mask is where the police have brought you to defend yourself from charges. LOL.
 

Lilofan

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Not a problem in Beaufort county, SC. We also opened schools back up as soon as we could. Sorry no piles of bodies or anthing like that, in fact I don't think we have had one child die of co-vid in the whole school system. 22,000 students BTW. I'm sure we would have heard about it. Sorry teachers aren't dropping dead either. We don't wear masks, you don't need one in a school. You have to wear a mask if you go to the court room, which I find ironic? LOL. Only place you need to wear a mask is where the police have brought you to defend yourself from charges. LOL.
Opposite in Richland County SC where mask mandates still in effect in most indoor places including kids need to wear masks in county schools . Apparently the capital, Columbia and the surrounding areas of Richland County have a different mindset.
 
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nickys

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This statement is interesting...

"The pathologies of the lockdowns are clear and have been both predicted and recorded. They include increased risk of preventable deaths from cancer, heart disease, etc., "

Heart disease I an maybe understand, but how did lockdowns lead to higher rates of cancer?
Because people put off making appointments when they experienced symptoms. Thinking that it wasn’t serious enough.

That said, in the UK the biggest cause was the cessation of screening programs as medics were diverted to treating Covid patients.
 

Touchdown

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So if a vaccinated mom who is nursing gave birth one week ago, how long do you think the baby will have protection before needing her own vaccine? Trying to help my housekeeper understand her choices
I’ll let the British NHS answer that question. Potentially up to a year, but likely less.

 

CLEtoWDW

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TrainsOfDisney

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There was a chart here somewhere in the thread. Wasn't much change. Deff diminished returns. I got my two doses and have yet to get any boosters. I just dont see the need for fractions of a %.
That’s why it bothers me that some venues are requiring you to be “boosted” to go see a show. That makes no sense to me.
 

Jrb1979

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Not a problem in Beaufort county, SC. We also opened schools back up as soon as we could. Sorry no piles of bodies or anthing like that, in fact I don't think we have had one child die of co-vid in the whole school system. 22,000 students BTW. I'm sure we would have heard about it. Sorry teachers aren't dropping dead either. We don't wear masks, you don't need one in a school. You have to wear a mask if you go to the court room, which I find ironic? LOL. Only place you need to wear a mask is where the police have brought you to defend yourself from charges. LOL.
Some of you just don't get it. It's not just about deaths. Its mainly about keeping people out of the hospital to the point they don't overwhelm them.
 

Kevin_W

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That’s why it bothers me that some venues are requiring you to be “boosted” to go see a show. That makes no sense to me.
Here's one set of data from teh CDC. With current Omicron data, 4x reduction in hospitalization with booster vs non-booster.

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MisterPenguin

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Let’s go back to July of 2020 and call out all the trolls that said “I can’t believe Disney is re-opening… this is so irresponsible.” Disney never should have closed to begin with.
Lockdowns were supposed to "flatten the curve" so as not to overwhelm our healthcare system. I suppose you might remember us running out of ventilators and ICUs?

The lockdowns happened under the previous U.S. administration, which then failed to put into place a robust contact tracing regime which would have corraled and quarantined the outbreak.

If you're not going to have proper contact tracing, then yeah, lockdowns aren't going to stop the overall number of infections and deaths because the contagion will run rampant as soon as you stop the lockdown. But, at least we didn't have hundreds of thousands of people dying with gasping breaths all within a few weeks time because we overwhelmed our hospitals.
 

mmascari

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There was a chart here somewhere in the thread. Wasn't much change. Deff diminished returns. I got my two doses and have yet to get any boosters. I just dont see the need for fractions of a %.
They graphs are deceiving because they also include unvaccinated in them. If you remove the unvaccinated that's skewing the scale, it would be more obvious.

I'm sure I've read that you're something like 3 or 5 times more likely to get sick and have worse outcomes without the booster. Is that 300% to 500% worse outcomes without the booster?

The metric reporting is throwing off the perception. Especially when compare to unvaccinated with is like 15 to 30 times worse or something like that.

That’s why it bothers me that some venues are requiring you to be “boosted” to go see a show. That makes no sense to me.
See above and the graphs @Kevin_W posted while I was typing. Cover up the unvaccinated line and look at just the other two comparisons. The difference is more than dramatic enough that the booster should be required.

The CDC language is squishy. "Fully vaccinated, however is not the same as optimally protected. To be optimally protected, a person needs to get a booster shot when and if eligible."

The opinion articles from medical people I've seen think the CDC should just change the definition. That the current messaging is confusing. The stats all say you really need the booster and that its a significant improvement.
 

correcaminos

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Less difference in incidence, although the vaccine/booster still does help keep you from getting it at all, just not as much as it helps vs. severe outcomes.

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Unless I had bad reactions to vaccines, to me this is enough to want me to boost, but that's me. I won't fault people for not doing so, but I think some will agree with you that it's not a lot and others will be the other way. Again I don't push one way or the other. Especially if people have gotten 2 shots to begin with. Though with my elderly dad I feel better that he has since he still hangs with friends relatively regularly.
 

MisterPenguin

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That’s why it bothers me that some venues are requiring you to be “boosted” to go see a show. That makes no sense to me.
Among the vaccinated, boosting reduces hospitalization 4-6 times as much as not being boosted.

When you compare that to numbers like the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated which can be a forty- to sixty-fold difference, then 4-6 doesn't sound like a lot.

But, small numbers can become big numbers when you multiply them by very big numbers.

So, think of Broadway. If a venue can hold 2,000 people, and without boosters, 50 people show up with breakthrouh infections. Then with boosters, only 8-12 people show up infected.

In a year, close to 15 million people see a Broadway show. So, it adds up. Then include a billion visits from the general population to various stores, jobs, schools, and entertainment venues.

And not only that, but we know that the vaccine's effectiveness wanes over time. If you don't require boosters, then eventually, those showing up vaccinated but not boosted will have more and more people within that group with breakthrough infections. The difference between boosted and not-boosted will only grow. So, at what point do you say that they have to start being boosted clientele? When the difference between the two groups is a 10 fold difference? 20-fold?

It's just easier to require everyone to be boosted now, then to have to suddenly add that requirement later after it seems that there is a big enough difference, which will just become another thing to argue over.
 

drizgirl

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2 doses was sufficient for the youngest kids 6mo - 2 years. So we could get them to fully vaccinated status. Also, if they have enough to presume the 2-5 year olds will need three doses, mostly a need the data to check off all the boxes, cross ts and dot I’s… we can get them finished faster if we start their first two doses sooner. They can be ready for the 3rd dose when the approval comes in for the 3rd dose and not have to wait how many months for them to reach that point by completing one and two.
I find that alarming. I get the desire to be ready when the data comes, but we're talking about injecting small children. This isn't testing possible vaccines and ramping up production ahead of time to be ready to inject. What you describe is injecting small children ahead of time hoping they prove the 3rd dose makes it successful.
 

Incomudro

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Unless I had bad reactions to vaccines, to me this is enough to want me to boost, but that's me. I won't fault people for not doing so, but I think some will agree with you that it's not a lot and others will be the other way. Again I don't push one way or the other. Especially if people have gotten 2 shots to begin with. Though with my elderly dad I feel better that he has since he still hangs with friends relatively regularly.
I judged by my age, (58) and the fact that I'll be in a higher risk area - WDW - in March.
As for my sons? They're twenty, and just completed two shots.
I don't think I'll suggest they get booster unless some new and much more deadly strain arises.
 
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