actually.... cruise lines routinely screen for illness and won’t let people board if they are sick. Never seen temperature checks, but same legal concept.
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actually.... cruise lines routinely screen for illness and won’t let people board if they are sick. Never seen temperature checks, but same legal concept.
peter11435
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Many started temperature checks in the final weeks of operation before the Covid shutdown
hmmm PR choices:
Choice 1: hundreds of people die an agonizing death because of their Disney vacation, because Disney put its profits over public safety.
choice 2: a few people complain that Disney wouldn’t let them in while they had a fever and only offered them refunds and discounted future trips and provided them transportation to the hospital.
hmmm which is worse from a PR perspective... hundreds of deaths, or a few people complaining that Disney wouldn’t let them in to spread Covid...
DisneyDoctor
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For that reason alone Disney won’t open anytime soon. China closed their movie theaters after reopening them for fear of a second outbreak. There’s no way the most visited theme park in the world opens anytime soon.
TrainsOfDisney
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To be fair, I can get coffee at the grocery store or gas station just like I can get alcohol.
They already do in Shanghai.
You are acting like they are opening tomorrow. If things are that bad, they would be just as irresponsible to open before this is a lot better.
Most are speaking when this is comparable to meningitis.
that might be true. There is huge pressure to re-open. From a pure public safety perspective, it may not really be advisable to re-open for anywhere from 6-18 months.
but I suspect it will re-open sooner with restrictions.
Im talking about if it re-opens in the next 2-4 months.
It won’t be comparable to meningitis for another 1-3 years.
Polynesia
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Plus they may have gotten on a plane. But I do agree with temperature checks.
Wait, you are a doctor, lawyer and a seer?
GoofGoof
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The only way to stop most transmission would be to require every guest to be tested. We talked about this already, but in theory you could require all on-site guests to be tested at check-in. You would also have to keep them on property or retest them after they return from off property. Off-site guests tested maybe at somewhere like TTC. You would also have to test all CMs daily when they arrive at work. By doing this you eliminate most if not all of the actual transmission (there’s still false negatives or timing lags). Not very practical or likely to happen.
I don’t disagree that a temperature scan would reduce the number of infected people who get in, but if the goal is to avoid actual spread of the disease and more importantly to avoid liability or having to shut down the parks again due to an outbreak traced back to WDW it’s not very effective. It would in theory make some people feel more safe, but that in itself may result in people being less careful. If they are lulled into a false sense of security then maybe they don’t wash their hands as thoroughly or use the hand sanitizer provided.
DisneyDoctor
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That’s kinda scary. Disney can only do so much, I’m sure people will slip through the cracks. And, I’m sure people will maneuver their way through the cracks when they shouldn’t attend in the first place.
A vaccine changes everything, though. At least speeds of the process safely.
I’m a lawyer for the health care profession in the NYC metro area. In the last week, I’ve consulted with ER doctors, hospitalists, cardiologists and pulmonologists at leading NYC hospitals.
DisneyDoctor
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*drops mic
peter11435
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People complaining about being denied entrance is not the “same bad PR” as would exist if there was no screening or preventive methods implemented. Not even close.
Look if the argument is that with this being necessary they should just stay closed then that is a valid argument that is worth debate. Staying closed is certainly preferable over any preventive measures when it comes to reducing transmission. But if we establish that the parks are open, temperature checks and additional screening will do more to reduce transmission than doing nothing.
Plus, they stood in line at security at the airport, the rode a packed airplane, they rode the ME to the hotel, they stood in line to check-in. They could easily infect many people at Disney without ever stepping foot inside the park. If Disney doesnt want to be sued for someone getting sick on their property, they need to not let sick people into their property. But let’s say they do get on property. Can Disney really send them back home when their stay is up? Wouldn’t Disney be in trouble with the airlines for knowlingly allowing a sick person to head home on a plane? So, does Disney need to force quarantine the person? What about their family, who should now be quarantined for 2 weeks? Is Disney going to let them extend their stay for free? Who is gonna pay for them to change their flight back home? Who is going to pay for their additional missed work?
All of that is, of course, ridiculous. This whole thing is ridiculous. I can’t believe we’re discussing Disney not allowing a family in for a fever, and that somehow refunding their ticket and then giving them a free ticket for a future visit is gonna make up for it. Who is gonna pay for their next airplane ride? How is Disney gonna make up for the time they took off work for nothing? Will people sue if they get sick at Disney? Probably. That already happens. But people are also going to sue if they’re not allowed into the park because of a fever and they’re later proven to not have covid-19.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not taking this lightly. I know people are dying. But I’m also wary of these ridiculous policy changes, which most of us agree are security theater at best. I feel like we are on a very slippery slope toward a police state (as a whole, not specifically for getting into Disney), and this kind of talk is scaring me far more than the virus is.
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GoofGoof
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Forget about bad PR, if Disney opens the parks and does nothing they are facing a major problem with negligence. They need to at least appear to be trying to do something.
DisneyCane
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Hopefully this is going on somewhere but a research lab needs to find some asymptomatic positives and put them in a controlled environment to study how contagious they are and by what means. Does an asymptomatic breathing contain a significant amount of virus? Coughing? Sneezing? Picking their nose and touching things?
Nobody knows how contagious asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic patients are. It is all just guesses and estimates at this point. I would theorize that one of two things is true:
1) They are extremely contagious and a huge percentage of the population has already been infected or;
2) They aren't very contagious and only transmit the virus in rare instances.
When the antibody test is available, if a large percentage come back with antibodies then the answer is likely #1. However, if a large number have antibodies and the answer is #2 then symptomatic patients are extremely contagious and the Ro is much higher than 2.3.
Some data from Henry Ford Health System in Detroit.
"Dr. Adnan Munkarah said 734 employees — 2.1% of the health system's workforce of 31,600 — have tested positive for the novel coronavirus since tracking began March 12."
“We have tested nearly 2,500 team members across our organization, the majority of whom have tested negative," Munkarah said in a statement, noting that some workers may have also contracted the virus in the community."
"Dr. Adnan Munkarah said 734 employees — 2.1% of the health system's workforce of 31,600 — have tested positive for the novel coronavirus since tracking began March 12."
“We have tested nearly 2,500 team members across our organization, the majority of whom have tested negative," Munkarah said in a statement, noting that some workers may have also contracted the virus in the community."
More than 700 Henry Ford Health System employees tested positive for coronavirus
More than 700 Henry Ford Health System workers have tested positive for COVID-19, the hospital system’s chief clinical officer said Monday.
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