Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Nubs70]

Most pediatric vaccine series require 2-5 doses, and even TDaP needs boosting throughout life. The adult pneumovax and shingles vaccines are multi-dose too. So, this isn't surprising.

Do these vaccines last longer than 2.5 months

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Drug addicts , alcoholics and people who make poor health choices like the obese also place a burden on hospitals are they also morally reprehensible?

When was the last time you saw hospitals all over the country hitting capacity due to any of those things?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Mine is doing the same, vaccinated employees still get paid sick time with a positive test but the unvaccinated don’t.

They also have to start testing weekly, at their own expense, vaccinated don’t. It’s a good carrot.

I know someone in the same boat - employer is only paying for time missed due to COVID-19 if vaccinated. This person refuses to get vaccinated, knew the rule was in place, got COVID-19, and then complained about not getting paid while out sick and acted like they had no idea the rule was in place (despite having complained about it weeks before getting sick).

 

[Nubs70]

When was the last time you saw hospitals all over the country hitting capacity due to any of those things?

The listed conditions above are currently taking up a majority of current capacity

 

[Ayla]

Drug addicts , alcoholics and people who make poor health choices like the obese also place a burden on hospitals are they also morally reprehensible?

Since you're "new", whataboutisms don't fly here.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The listed conditions above are currently taking up a majority of current capacity

Hospitals have managed their capacity just fine up until 2020. I wonder what changed?

 

[sullyinMT]

The listed conditions above are currently taking up a majority of current capacity

Being ongoing diagnoses that have been well absorbed for years, these are not the new reason that hospitals have been and continue to be overwhelmed.

 

[Lilofan]

Very likely would still be alive without the shots too.

Supporting the unvax / anti vax is not the road I'm going down. Ask that to my family and friends who are RNs, doctors in over stressed hospitals where they work daily and they will give you a piece of their minds.

 

[marymarypoppins]

I know someone in the same boat - employer is only paying for time missed due to COVID-19 if vaccinated. This person refuses to get vaccinated, knew the rule was in place, got COVID-19, and then complained about not getting paid while out sick and acted like they had no idea the rule was in place (despite having complained about it weeks before getting sick).

Are these people who would normally have a certain amount of sick days covered? If so I can't imagine how this would be legal if they are using the days they are provided. If it is over that than I get it but if I have 10 sick days my employer shouldn't be able to decide which sicknesses count and which don't.

 

[DisneyCane]

What do you think you are seeing in the chart? The chart shows that fully vaccinated people are getting infected less then unvaccinated. Yes, the fully vax case rate is higher, but that is because that is a much larger population.

It's case rate per 100k people. The size of the vaccinated population doesn't matter.

 

[Nubs70]

Being ongoing diagnoses are not the new reason that hospitals have been and continue to be overwhelmed.

Current bed capacity of my local overwhelmed hospital, 1300 bed capacity, less than 350 are Covid admissions. A majority of the remaining 75% of total capacity is comprised of drug and alcohol related conditions not simply diagnosis.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Are these people who would normally have a certain amount of sick days covered? If so I can't imagine how this would be legal if they are using the days they are provided. If it is over that than I get it but if I have 10 sick days my employer shouldn't be able to decide which sicknesses count and which don't.

They used up their remaining time off at the beginning of their quarantine. The rest of the time was unpaid. Since this was around Christmas, there wasn't much unused time off remaining.

 

[Lilofan]

I am all for vaccines but I am beginning to wonder if this one is more of a therapeutic than vaccine. I am vaxxed and boosted and on round 2 of covid. I won't get another booster. When you get a measles vaccine you won't be contracting measles but the same is not holding true for coivd.

You should be glad you got the shots. Who wants to increase their chances of being on a ventilator? And welcome new forum member!

 

[Nubs70]

Are these people who would normally have a certain amount of sick days covered? If so I can't imagine how this would be legal if they are using the days they are provided. If it is over that than I get it but if I have 10 sick days my employer shouldn't be able to decide which sicknesses count and which don't.

It also matters if your sick days and vacation days are rolled into a singular category of Personal Time Off.

 

[DisneyCane]

Fundamental difference in world view and a gap that probably cannot be bridged.

Yes it is. Let's put it this way. I, personally would be more inclined to risk my life for another's freedom than to risk my freedom for another's life.

You are entitled to your own world view but it's very different than mine.

 

[dreday3]

Current bed capacity of my local overwhelmed hospital, 1300 bed capacity, less than 350 are Covid admissions. A majority of the remaining 75% of total capacity is comprised of drug and alcohol related conditions not simply diagnosis.

So you really are going to take the stance that covid patients haven't overwhelmed our hospitals at times during the past 2 years? That we didn't see it all over the news? That elective procedures weren't cancelled, countless jobs weren't lost? That we haven't seen the likes of this in most of our lifetimes?

 

[sullyinMT]

Current bed capacity of my local overwhelmed hospital, 1300 bed capacity, less than 350 are Covid admissions. A majority of the remaining 75% of total capacity is comprised of drug and alcohol related conditions not simply diagnosis.

My point is - that is NORMAL. Hospitals are designed to not sit empty. Drug, alcohol, and "lifestyle choice" problems (whether you want to use diagnosis, indication for admission, or primary complaint) typically eat up a fair amount of capacity. That's nothing new.

A year into vaccines that are STILL EFFECTIVE AGAINST HOSPITALIAZATION AND DEATH, and what is driving capacities over the brink, frustrating medical professionals, and holding society at large hostage is the unvaccinated population. I'm so far beyond over listening to the spin cycle on this. Those trying to play "gotcha" that the vaccines don't work are doing more mental dancing than an unbalanced washing machine on an uneven floor.

 

[LittleBuford]

Current bed capacity of my local overwhelmed hospital, 1300 bed capacity, less than 350 are Covid admissions. A majority of the remaining 75% of total capacity is comprised of drug and alcohol related conditions not simply diagnosis.

You don’t consider 350—all for one illness—to be a sizeable chunk of 1300?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Hospitals have managed their capacity just fine up until 2020. I wonder what changed?

“We are pretty much at capacity”

hospital is “managing, but just barely,” at keeping up with the increased number of sick patients in the last three weeks.

“We had to treat patients in places where we normally wouldn’t, like in recovery rooms,”

In California several hospitals have set up large “surge tents”

All quotes from a Times article regarding the 2017/2018 flu season.

The sad reality is our hospitals can barely handle a bad flu season, they had no chance of keeping up with a pandemic. Will we learn and prepare for the next illness? probably not because it costs too much.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Current bed capacity of my local overwhelmed hospital, 1300 bed capacity, less than 350 are Covid admissions. A majority of the remaining 75% of total capacity is comprised of drug and alcohol related conditions not simply diagnosis.

The majority of non-COVID admissions are for drugs or alcohol? And where did you see that reported?