Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Kevin_W

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True. Could handshakes be a thing of the past? It’s possible.

We supposedly shake hands as a several-thousand-year-old way of showing that we're not holding a weapon. I think in modern times we're beyond that so I'm okay if handshaking becomes a thing of the past.

Frankly, if there is a silver lining to this it's that we'll learn that many of these precautions against disease (don't shake hands, wash frequently, have hand sanitizer at the entrance to the nursing home) should be come standard practice.
 

DisneyCane

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Yep at the moment although the uk government have said they believe up to 100,000 may already be infected so work out the mortality rate from that.

obviously I’m in as much shock as marni1971 - I’ve lost my job due to this and all of a sudden my cancelled Wdw holiday seems totally trivial now I can’t see my mum and my son for at least three weeks and probably longer. Sadly I got excited that our hardware stores are open so I can walk to get some paint for the spare room finally! This is what it becomes (yes I guess that may not be classed as essential but will take it as my one walk out of the day I’m allowed!)

my concern is that we cannot get delivery slots for food for over a month and if public pressure continues to grow to shut Down all our takeaway services then many people will struggle to eat! I’ve heard of horrific reports of elderly people being found dead in spain as they’ve been abandoned! Is this really what it has come to?

I feel there will be two distinct camps from now on 1) the view that the economy must get going ASAP or else social collapse will ensure 2) the get rid of the virus at all costs camp as seen in Europe - no middle ground! I’m really not sure I’m objective right now but tend to be veering towards camp 1) I have to admit
The problem with #2 is that none of these actions will completely get rid of the virus. If you could do this stuff for a month or two and make SARS-CoV-2 cease to exist then is support it. The reason I have been in camp #1 for weeks is that none of this gets rid of the virus and you are going to have the same outbreak in a few months once the world goes back to normal.

You also can't keep the world economy shut down until there is a vaccine. FAR more people would die if starvation if you did that than would die if 100% of the population got COVID-19.

I will come off as very cold hearted when I say this but even in Italy, the epicenter of Armageddon, thus far the virus has killed one hundredth of a percent of their population. That will go up but even if it got to 0.1%, the shut down has taken days off quality life and reduced future quality of life from economic damage for the other 99.9% of the population. Not to mention that the majority of the deaths are people that are near the end of their lives to start with.

Again I bring up my biggest problem. Nobody has actually sampled a population to try and determine how many people are/have been infected already. The confirmed cases represent selection bias because the people tested have serious enough symptoms to seek medical attention. There could be 10 or 100 or 1000 times the cases than what has been confirmed. Any multiple reduces the mortality rate and serious illness rate. If the one study is correct and 86% of cases are asymptomatic then there are over 7 times the reported cases and 1/7 the mortality rate.

It also shouldn't be discounted that some percentage of the deceased would have died in the same time frame of something else like the flu. The same people most vulnerable to this virus are also at high risk of death if they get the flu.
 

DisneyCane

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We supposedly shake hands as a several-thousand-year-old way of showing that we're not holding a weapon. I think in modern times we're beyond that so I'm okay if handshaking becomes a thing of the past.

Frankly, if there is a silver lining to this it's that we'll learn that many of these precautions against disease (don't shake hands, wash frequently, have hand sanitizer at the entrance to the nursing home) should be come standard practice.
As a germaphobe before all this, I'd be more than happy to eliminate handshakes. Having to inconspicuously use hand sanitizer after shaking hands at a business meeting is challenging.
 

Phil12

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We supposedly shake hands as a several-thousand-year-old way of showing that we're not holding a weapon. I think in modern times we're beyond that so I'm okay if handshaking becomes a thing of the past.

Frankly, if there is a silver lining to this it's that we'll learn that many of these precautions against disease (don't shake hands, wash frequently, have hand sanitizer at the entrance to the nursing home) should be come standard practice.
Perhaps a new method is in order:
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DisneyCane

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18 months likely for a vaccine. I don’t think we will be on lock down for 18 months but even if the number of cases flatlines we will still need to be cautious of a relapse. I think some form of social distancing in public will continue until then.

True. Could handshakes be a thing of the past? It’s possible.

Social distancing may not be possible on a train or plane but workplaces may institute a strict ban on employees coming to work sick and certain higher concentration events.
If people would sneeze and cough into their elbow, social distancing on a plane is unnecessary. The air is changed out frequently and recycled air goes through HEPA filters. I don't know about trains.
 

Calmdownnow

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Can't speak directly as I'm not there, but I'd imagine a lot of people taking their own proactive measures to social distance and encouragement by local officials to do so, is what has kept the numbers down to some extent.
A view from the UK (from someone, who as a retired law enforcement employee, was engaged in emergency planning for the previous flu pandemic scares): The UK has a fully integrated local/regional and national response plan for civil emergencies that holds regular, and sometimes extensive table-top exercises and which is now being used for real.

Nationally, the Prime Minister Chairs COBRA (named after the Cabinet Office Briefing Room A where the meetings are held) and all Cabinet Secretaries attend as needed. Senior military, senior technical staff/scientists and even senior business representatives may attend. Daily, or even twice daily if needed, status reports and data is provided to COBRA from Regional Resilience Forums which are similarly staffed -- data provided is all to the same format.

Below that, Local Resilience Forums exist in each county, usually chaired by the Chief Constable and these report daily to the Regional body providing data and flagging any concerns with shortages of supply. hospital beds etc. The local and regional forums will have local government chief executives present, hospital chief executives, local military base commanders, all emergency services' chiefs, utility and transport company reps and possibly major local employers attending meetings. Information flows up-wards from the local to regional and then national, but scientific data flows back from national to regional and local as well as information about patterns elsewhere in the country. At local level, the local government authority in parallel with the broader Resilience Forum, chairs a recovery group which plans for the things needed to recover quickly from the emergency; the public health team chairs another group which looks at the medical issues, local epidemiology and the logistics for delivering the right medical interventions. Each of these groups can flag issues to COBRA via the local and regional resilience forums.

It's not perfect and shortages of equipment, or issues of hospitals unable to cope with surging numbers will happen regardless of how good the plan is, but it is all integrated, practiced, and involves all of the right people/positions. It does depend on the person at the top -- our Prime Minister -- making the right call at the right time.
 

Giss Neric

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When a hurricane comes along, people panic buy, prepare for it's arrival. Post hurricane, your home might be gone, structures destroyed, and no electricity.

Now with COVID-19, everything is still sort of intact but the feeling is worse than experiencing a hurricane cause it's not an isolated case.
 

Rich Brownn

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Dining areas open on staggard days and Epcot futureworld closing at 7pm and worldshowcase opening late at 11am.
Actually, when EPCOT first opened, FW closed at 7 and WS opened 11-9 (because of dining). It wasn't until rides started become too popular they kept some (not all) of the rides in FW open until 9
 

easyrowrdw

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FOUR hours of screen time for school? My son is just in kindergarten, so his work doesn’t take long regardless, but when the teacher told us that we would be doing school from home, I let her know that we limit screen time in our house and would prefer an off-line option. Thankfully, they had a paper packet ready for those who don’t have access to the Internet or who otherwise just didn’t want to use it, like us. Asking students to sit in front of a computer for hours a day is crazy! (Not because they wouldn’t want to be on the computer that long, but because excessive screen time is already a big issue for children - and adults! - these days.)

I was very thankful that our 1st grader had a packet of work and reading materials rather than videos or anything requiring a screen. The screen time limits have been more of an issue being home for the past couple weeks. This definitely makes it easier to keep it down.
 

easyrowrdw

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Things escalate very quickly. Look at the US. If the inevitability is that everything is going to be shut down at some point, better to do it as soon as possible and try to contain the virus as best you can.

That makes sense. I wasn't seeing that inevitably, as I'd misread the information.
 

Calmdownnow

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Some of my friends work in companies where there is company attendance policy where it's pretty much black and white. Too many call sicks ( whether you are really sick or enjoying WDW) could cost you your job.

Even in the UK where we have more generous social protections, my son's employer tried to "give him a verbal warning" over sickness absence because he had both foot surgery for an injury and an emergency appendectomy in the same year. He now believes that he has to turn up for work regardless of how ill he is in order to keep his job. Interestingly, his company, as of tomorrow, is making him work from home -- but using their software loaded on his personal computer, using the internet connection he pays for etc.
 

Giss Neric

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FOUR hours of screen time for school? My son is just in kindergarten, so his work doesn’t take long regardless, but when the teacher told us that we would be doing school from home, I let her know that we limit screen time in our house and would prefer an off-line option. Thankfully, they had a paper packet ready for those who don’t have access to the Internet or who otherwise just didn’t want to use it, like us. Asking students to sit in front of a computer for hours a day is crazy! (Not because they wouldn’t want to be on the computer that long, but because excessive screen time is already a big issue for children - and adults! - these days.)

You are a great parent for doing that but I would not want to be your parent ;) . As an adult, I spent 80% of my day in front of a screen, whether it's the television, computer monitor, iPad, or my phone. First thing I look at when I wake up is my phone and the last think I do before I sleep is looking at my phone watching some ASMR videos to put me to sleep.
 

LittleBuford

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As a germaphobe before all this, I'd be more than happy to eliminate handshakes. Having to inconspicuously use hand sanitizer after shaking hands at a business meeting is challenging.

I too am a germaphobe, but I would be very sad to see such rituals as the handshake disappear. They play an important role in forging and signifying the bonds that unite us as a society.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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states like Florida will start to use police or the natl guard to prevent this. I really hope they do, the more people stay home and quarantine the faster we get back to normal life. Then again, the state probably doesn’t want to lose all that spring break money

It says they closed the marina.

Which is a shame, solo and duo boaters taking a fishing trip would be fine.

I will stop typing now before I say something mean.... :)
 

MisterPenguin

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Florida imposed a 14 day quarantine from anyone flying from NY or NJ to FL.

Obviously, the whole world now needs to impose a 14 day quarantine for anyone flying from FL.

One week from now, Florida will surpass NY in COVID19 cases. In two weeks, death.
 
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