Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

Novel virus, Novel vaccines... Hope is about it.

No, I'd say our only reason to be stuck with hope is due to comments like this that make people think it's not worth it.

 

[DisneyCane]

Well... what has felt inevitable at times here in Florida has now happened. My brother (vaccinated) was supposed to visit this weekend for HHN. He woke up feeling a little "weird" and has taken two positive at home tests. Waiting on results for PCR.

Incredibly disappointing since we had plans, but obviously I hope he has a mild case and gets through it quickly. Honestly, in some ways here in Florida it seems like I'm just waiting until my number is called, too.

I would have understood your feeling about waiting for your number to be called a few weeks ago. However, at this point only 13 states and DC have lower seven day case rates than FL.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Novel virus, Novel vaccines... Hope is about it.

Tired anti-vaxxer bunk is tired.

 

[disneygeek90]

I would have understood your feeling about waiting for your number to be called a few weeks ago. However, at this point only 13 states and DC have lower seven day case rates than FL.

It's just frustrating. So we got "through" the really bad part, now it's just moderately bad.

 

[mmascari]

Novel virus, Novel vaccines... Hope is about it.

That statement was mostly true 18 months ago. Not anymore. Just Hope has nothing to do with ending the pandemic.

We know exactly how to end this. It's all about execution.

I suppose there is Hope that we don't screw up the execution. As a group, we do seem hell bent on trying to screw it up. Just saying to leave the end to Hope excuses everyone from executing the solution.

 

[iowamomof4]

The point being, this is happening much, much more frequently over the past 18 months. And it shouldn't be happening at such a high frequency anymore because WE HAVE THE DAMN VACCINE TO PREVENT IT!

I just want to take a moment to say how much I have appreciated your contributions to this thread over the last few months. I can tell you are a caring physician and you are an excellent teacher. You've made complicated studies and other information much easier to understand. Thank you for being here.

 

[DisneyFan32]

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[GoofGoof]

That statement was mostly true 18 months ago. Not anymore. Just Hope has nothing to do with ending the pandemic.

We know exactly how to end this. It's all about execution.

I suppose there is Hope that we don't screw up the execution. As a group, we do seem hell bent on trying to screw it up. Just saying to leave the end to Hope excuses everyone from executing the solution.

The only thing that we need “hope” for as far as ending the pandemic is figuring out how to get the rest of the people vaccinated. I hope we figure that out.

 

[GoofGoof]

52 years after the first vaccination

Yep, but the point stands. This narrative that the vaccines cannot end the pandemic is bunk. It took decades to get to the point where we had enough people vaccinated with an MMR vaccine to eliminate the virus (a virus that is 2-3 times as contagious as covid). Hopefully it doesn’t take decades for Covid but that’s up to the unvaccinated. If everyone got the MMR vaccine within a few years of it coming out measles would been eliminated sooner. The point isn’t how long it took to get them vaccinated it’s that once they were the virus was eliminated.

 

[Nubs70]

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[Nubs70]

Yep, but the point stands. This narrative that the vaccines cannot end the pandemic is bunk. It took decades to get to the point where we had enough people vaccinated with an MMR vaccine to eliminate the virus (a virus that is 2-3 times as contagious as covid). Hopefully it doesn’t take decades for Covid but that’s up to the unvaccinated. If everyone got the MMR vaccine within a few years of it coming out measles would been eliminated sooner. The point isn’t how long it took to get them vaccinated it’s that once they were the virus was eliminated.

In the US, it took 6 years and 6 waves until infection rate (cases/100,000) were cut in half. Stable for another 5 years, Another 15 years till cases were <10 per 100,000. We should have worn masks.

 

[GoofGoof]

In the US, it took 6 years and 6 waves until infection rate (cases/100,000) were cut in half. Stable for another 5 years, Another 15 years till cases were <10 per 100,000. We should have worn masks.

The point is still the same. If everyone got the vaccine right away the virus would have been eliminated. The fact that it took that long should be the biggest piece of evidence that supports vaccine mandates. We didn’t mandate that vaccine and it took decades. We have a better plan this time.

 

[Jrb1979]

The only thing that we need “hope” for as far as ending the pandemic is figuring out how to get the rest of the people vaccinated. I hope we figure that out.

Its very simple. You bring in vaccine passports. Ever since they have done that in most provinces in Canada, it's made the vaccine rates go up.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Yes the impersonal aspect of situation is bad. My father detested what the profession had become at a point prior to the invention of iPads. But i bet there is a process optimizer at some medical institution that is actively promoting the use of virtual interaction as a cost saving program.

Now that the initial lockdowns have long since ended, I need to jump through about 10 extra hoops in documentation to justify the use of virtual communications to insurance. In-person visits are still very much preferred.

Where telemedicine is in heavy use is for specialties with high need but low geographic penetrance and can still be done virtually- mainly, dermatology and psychiatry. This isn't for cost-saving, the intent is to meet unfulfilled medical needs.

 

[Heppenheimer]

That statement was mostly true 18 months ago. Not anymore. Just Hope has nothing to do with ending the pandemic.

We know exactly how to end this. It's all about execution.

I suppose there is Hope that we don't screw up the execution. As a group, we do seem hell bent on trying to screw it up. Just saying to leave the end to Hope excuses everyone from executing the solution.

This is why I am sick of hearing "They're in our thoughts and prayers" while simultaneously doing nothing to alleviate the problem (not just COVID, it could be anything), and sometimes even actively making the problem worse.

 

[GoofGoof]

Its very simple. You bring in vaccine passports. Ever since they have done that in most provinces in Canada, it's made the vaccine rates go up.

There is no way to have a national vaccine passport in the US. That’s not how our government is setup. You would need 50 governors to all setup passports which won’t happen. What they can do is pick around certain industries. For instance the cruise industry right now. Seems to be working very well. I think it’s possible to do for air travel. That’s somewhere I think the government should absolutely go. Setup through TSA and require proof of vaccination to get through security. This way the airlines are not involved and TSA could even roll out an app to facilitate it. Individual companies are also free to do whatever they want. Disney and others should consider it for their locations.

 

[Jrb1979]

There is no way to have a national vaccine passport in the US. That’s not how our government is setup. You would need 50 governors to all setup passports which won’t happen. What they can do is pick around certain industries. For instance the cruise industry right now. Seems to be working very well. I think it’s possible to do for air travel. That’s somewhere I think the government should absolutely go. Setup through TSA and require proof of vaccination to get through security. This way the airlines are not involved and TSA could even roll out an app to facilitate it. Individual companies are also free to do whatever they want. Disney and others should consider it for their locations.

We don't have a national passport system either. Our provinces are like your states in that each one makes their own rules. Our federal government is making mandatory proof of vaccination a requirement for travel within the country.

 

[mmascari]

The only thing that we need “hope” for as far as ending the pandemic is figuring out how to get the rest of the people vaccinated. I hope we figure that out.

I think we figured it out already. It's been in the news every day this week. Mandates work. People talk a big game, but when it comes down to vaccinate or lose your job, almost nobody chooses to leave the job.

Still Hope that we can execute that plan. Still lots of people talking a big game about explicitly not executing the steps to end the pandemic. Many of which aren't just crackpots on Twitter.

Yep, but the point stands. This narrative that the vaccines cannot end the pandemic is bunk. It took decades to get to the point where we had enough people vaccinated with an MMR vaccine to eliminate the virus (a virus that is 2-3 times as contagious as covid). Hopefully it doesn’t take decades for Covid but that’s up to the unvaccinated. If everyone got the MMR vaccine within a few years of it coming out measles would been eliminated sooner. The point isn’t how long it took to get them vaccinated it’s that once they were the virus was eliminated.

I hadn't looked before. But, from that graph, and a few of the others Google returned that I didn't post, it's quite striking the change in measles from 1964 to 1969. That's where the bulk of the impact came. Then some mostly steady down trend to 1980. From then on to present, it's practically flat, because it's already so low and basically non existent in the US. Even if it wasn't 100%, it's been pretty close.

Think of all the advancements from 1965 to 2021. All the new communications, ability to reach people, education. All of the advancements of the past fifty years that can be applied to COVID and were not possible back then. All of the updates they could show in a Carousel of Progress focused on vaccination.

 

[mmascari]

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What goal post moved?

 

[Bob Harlem]

Positivity still dropping rapidly (yesterday 8.71%)



Hospitalization is ramping down more rapidly also, highest % drop to date: