Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

It’s a far better example. Is it perfect? No. I never claimed it was. But it certainly has more of an impact. Most everyone knows what a full pro football stadium looks like. Multiply that over 8 games. Yeah…pretty clear.

People do love their football here.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Fauci defends COVID boosters, says 3 shots will 'likely' be the new norm

Fauci says the new mu Covid strain isn't an immediate threat in the U.S.

I hope this Winter won't get worse than last year as no new surges anytime this Winter, I want this pandemic to be over by 2022.

 

[wdisney9000]

Since you asked for an answer to your questions:

#1 I can’t say for sure because I’m not in that situation but I would assume that a person in that situation would at least know they did everything they could to avoid being in that situation. Unlike the unvaccinated person from the post you quoted who in most cases will have some real regrets from not getting vaccinated. I know that’s how I would feel if it happened to me.

#2 I wouldn’t have any reason to say anything to someone who is sufferIng from life changing side effects from the vaccine. I would love to see some actual statistics on how many of these people exist, but I’m sure whatever numbers are out there would be disputed. The vast majority of adverse reactions involved arm pain and flu like symptoms which were hardly life changing.

The bottom line is vaccination is a risk/reward decision. If the reward of getting the vaccine is significantly greater than the risks involved than it’s a no brainer (which is this situation). When I’m talking risk/reward I am talking about society in general and not on an individual basis. Far more people would die and/or have life changing effects from getting covid than would from getting the vaccine and that doesn’t even factor in the impact to the economy, to children’s education or to the health of our hospitals and medical workers.

Thank you for your answer(s). I had no tricks up my sleeve when asking those questions. I sincerely appreciate your response and absolutely respect your opinion on the matter. Thank you for sharing and furthering the discussion to help us all learn from one another.

 

[Flugell]

It’s a far better example. Is it perfect? No. I never claimed it was. But it certainly has more of an impact. Most everyone knows what a full pro football stadium looks like. Multiply that over 8 games. Yeah…pretty clear.

Means nothing to anyone outside the USA so just about as clear as mud!

 

[Timmay]

Means nothing to anyone outside the USA so just about as clear as mud!

Then the original post must have really confounded those folks.

 

[Virtual Toad]

It’s a far better example. Is it perfect? No. I never claimed it was. But it certainly has more of an impact. Most everyone knows what a full pro football stadium looks like. Multiply that over 8 games. Yeah…pretty clear.

Total number of COVID deaths in the United States: 641,725 (CDC).

Average per game NFL attendance: 66,151 (2019).

Number of football games it would take to represent U.S. COVID deaths using those numbers: 9.7.

Stadium size and specific attendance figures would cause that number to fluctuate. Using Chicago’s Soldier Field at full attendance would give you a number of 10.43 games. Lambeau Field, with a capacity of around 81,441, would put the number at about 7.88 games. So there appears to be a bit of wiggle room there.

I’m not an NFL fan. The minor league team I root for had an average attendance of 5,497 in 2019. Small potatoes compared to the NFL, but our small stadium is packed with fans nonetheless.

Using that attendance number, U.S. deaths from COVID would represent attendance at 116.75 of our team’s games— more than 7 years’ worth of home games in fact. So for a fan sitting in the stands at our home field, that seems like a ton of people and the perceived impact is far greater.

At the end of the day, the statistics used tend to reflect how the person using those statistics perceives the issue at hand.

A public health official concerned about the spread of a deadly virus might choose to use the number of war dead as a comparison. They might also use the statistic that the number of U.S. deaths from COVID is now equivalent to more than 215 times the number of deaths in the September 11 attacks. And counting.

Someone else may or may not choose to use a different comparison.

 

[mmascari]

If that were the case, one would have to have the numbers on people that served vs people that were deployed vs people in combat…on and on. There isn’t any context when simply saying more people have died from Covid than all US service members during warfare last century, especially when people don’t know what that number is, or even why that number is what it is. If you are knowledgeable about such things, you realize the post does a disservice to the severity of Covid, because deployed troops in WWI and WWII had a higher chance of dying (1-40) than someone infected with Covid does (1-61), and roughly the same as Covid in Viet Nam (1-58)

Here is a real simple way to make a better impact- More people have died in the US from Covid than people attend any single NFL teams home games annually.

If you want scale but not death, use city size.

COVID deaths are like all of Miami 450K and all of Tallahassee 200K died. The entire population of those two cities.

Thats relatable then. Two FL cities worth of people gone. Hopefully we don’t get to a Jacksonville number

 

[Timmay]

If you want scale but not death, use city size.

COVID deaths are like all of Miami 450K and all of Tallahassee 200K died. The entire population of those two cities.

Thats relatable then. Two FL cities worth of people gone. Hopefully we don’t get to a Jacksonville number

That works as well. My point was it just needs to be something that people can actually relate to, and grasp.

 

[Kevin_W]

While we're talking Invermectin, here's a stat we were talking about at work: Working on electrical equipment without first powering it off and locking out the energy sources significantly reduces your chance of dying form Covid! Running back and forth on the freeway on foot also significantly reduces your chance of dying from Covid! We might have stumbled on the cure...

 

[correcaminos]

You trying to convince me? Or yourslef?

Not trying to convince anyone of anything. You might want to tone it down if you actually want real answers. Verbal attacks are not okay and you know that. Picking only parts of replies to further attack will not get you far with me. I will answer this question further:

Let me explain why I talk about it since you are making my discussing the trial some sort of negative thing. Me talking about the trial normalizes the vaccine. I, along with a few others on this thread who often discuss the trial too, are some of the first to take this shot. We are living proof of all these details people like to talk about with the trials. We are poked and prodded so we have stats for the world. We are also able to tell you how we've changed a year now later. (hint I'm just a year older, nothing else). Our bodies are being looked at to find the numbers the trials and the globe need. People seem to forget we exist and talk about how we don't have info, we dont' have "long term data" not realizing we have it because of people. I'm a year post 1st shot - we have tens of thousands in the Pfizer-BioNTech trial alone who are here to give transparency and data to the world. You think it's something totally off base. I use it to make it seem like vaccination for covid can be just as normal as chicken pox vaccine now. Our experiences are the ones used or ignored depending on who is talking. Real people took these vaccines, and the more we show this, the more people listen. How do I know? I live it. My family has used me as a talking point to prove they are safe. Guess what that did? Got more to vaccinate in some circles. So while you are thinking, I honestly have no real clue at all where your brain is, I am trying to normalize the vaccine. A year ago this very day I went and had my first shot. How about stop picking on me for being in a trial and ask honest questions. That's what we're here for.

You want answers? I've watched loved ones die even when trying to do everything they could in their power to save their own lives. Given that, I'd say anyone who actually dies after being vaccinated would feel the same. They did the best they could and wouldn't change it for the world.

Considering I know of very few people at all who had a side effect - in fact only one had an autoimmune trigger that did affect them longer term - again it's a hypothetical question harder to answer. I will say the person I know who now cannot take any further shots doesn't regret it. In fact they are incredibly vocal about others vaccinating. Trying to insist that their sibling be vaccinated too (so far no go, they "don't want to be a guinea pig") They know they are a super rarity and know the vaccine is the way out.

I cannot speak for people specifically otherwise. So there are your answers to your questions including the one I quoted in this reply. Take it however you will. I'm not here to win friends with people. I'm here to share facts and not fears.

 

[KrzyKtty]

So new update. School started 3 weeks ago, and my son's middle school was just ordered to go virtual for 2 weeks. Next district over has 4500 kids in quarantine throughout the district, and over 800 confirmed positive cases. Over 150 confirmed cases in staff. Our district is a little bit quieter about the numbers. My youngest was sent home earlier from school this week due to exposure, but luckily she's negative so far. The wait for a covid test around here is about 3 to 4 hours long and all appointments are gone at the various pharmacies.

 

[correcaminos]

So new update. School started 3 weeks ago, and my son's middle school was just ordered to go virtual for 2 weeks. Next district over has 4500 kids in quarantine throughout the district, and over 800 confirmed positive cases. Over 150 confirmed cases in staff. Our district is a little bit quieter about the numbers. My youngest was sent home earlier from school this week due to exposure, but luckily she's negative so far. The wait for a covid test around here is about 3 to 4 hours long and all appointments are gone at the various pharmacies.

Just curious - mostly for just wondering. Does your school have any mask requirements? Ages of kids? Willing to share region? I'm just really curious how wide spread this is happening across the country.

You reminded me I need to pick up more rapid covid tests just in case.

Received an e-mail that there is an emergency meeting for the BOE tomorrow to see if 9-12 should mask up too. It's currently mandated for K-8 regardless of vaccination status. Staff and students.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Just curious - mostly for just wondering. Does your school have any mask requirements? Ages of kids? Willing to share region? I'm just really curious how wide spread this is happening across the country.

You reminded me I need to pick up more rapid covid tests just in case.

Received an e-mail that there is an emergency meeting for the BOE tomorrow to see if 9-12 should mask up too. It's currently mandated for K-8 regardless of vaccination status. Staff and students.

I live in South Carolina, not that far from the city of Charleston. Our wonderful governor pretty much outlawed mask requirements, so no there is no mask requirement at the school. Large populations of the school are not wearing them. My oldest is vaccinated, and both my children wear masks. Cases are exploding down here. We will never be quite as bad in numbers as Florida because we simply don't have the population, but in terms of percentages I think we're right about there now.

 

[KrzyKtty]

And by me stating my school district is quieter about the numbers, I mean they are simply not as forthcoming with them, not that we do not have as many. I know the major high school not that far from us, had over 850 kids in quarantine last week from that one high school. It's a little bit under half of the high school. Our district only provides positive case numbers, and you have to look at up school by school. They do not provide quarantine numbers. The next district over provides a helpful table of all schools in the district along with totals of positive cases and quarantine.

 

[JoeCamel]

AZ

I live in South Carolina, not that far from the city of Charleston. Our wonderful governor pretty much outlawed mask requirements, so no there is no mask requirement at the school. Large populations of the school are not wearing them. My oldest is vaccinated, and both my children wear masks. Cases are exploding down here. We will never be quite as bad in numbers as Florida because we simply don't have the population, but in terms of percentages I think we're right about there now.

I went up 26 today and like I found on trips before your state does not have dining rooms open unless it is a table service. The counter serves were drive in only. In service stations I saw more masks on than not so someone is trying at least.

 

[KrzyKtty]

AZ

I went up 26 today and like I found on trips before your state does not have dining rooms open unless it is a table service. The counter serves were drive in only. In service stations I saw more masks on than not so someone is trying at least.

26 is a pretty big stretch. I'm not saying every single region of my state is acting the same. But for my particular region nothing is closed. If I want to go eat inside a Taco Bell, no problem. If I want to go eat at the Mexican restaurant at front of my neighborhood, no problem. Everything's open. I'm not even been saying that people aren't wearing masks around here, I'm saying that they're not generally wearing masks at the school. I literally had someone tell me just yesterday that putting a mask on a child at school is equal to child abuse. As someone who was actually beaten as a child by their father, I found that incredibly disrespectful.

 

[Lilofan]

I live in South Carolina, not that far from the city of Charleston. Our wonderful governor pretty much outlawed mask requirements, so no there is no mask requirement at the school. Large populations of the school are not wearing them. My oldest is vaccinated, and both my children wear masks. Cases are exploding down here. We will never be quite as bad in numbers as Florida because we simply don't have the population, but in terms of percentages I think we're right about there now.

Love visiting SC , eating SC hash and rice and the state is going to have some huge gatherings of people probably unmasked at the NASCAR race this weekend , and packed college football stadiums at Clemson and USC throughout the fall season.

 

[James J]

Love visiting SC , eating SC hash and rice and the state is going to have some huge gatherings of people probably unmasked at the NASCAR race this weekend , and packed college football stadiums at Clemson and USC throughout the fall season.

We keep an eye on SC from over here as we have friends and family over there, so seeing this wasn't exactly great: https://www.postandcourier.com/heal...cle_adb50650-0b2a-11ec-a5ac-676b9ceec425.html

One of our friends works in a hospital lab in Columbia, and posted this on her social media yesterday:

"Our hospitals are overwhelmed. I’ve never been this stressed at work in my life. I’ve never seen so many “young and healthy” people sick and dying in our hospital before. Our lab is in a constant state of chaos as we are doing triple the work with half the staff while still striving to deliver excellent care. It’s hard. I’m so exhausted. Vaccines are how we get out of this. The majority of Covid patients at LMC are UNvaccinated. Vaccines are preventing severe illness and hospitalizations. Please. Help our state, and our country, get out of this hell."

It's awful to read and hear and we just hope things can turn around sooner rather than later, though that seems doubtful at the moment.

 

[Willmark]

If that were the case, one would have to have the numbers on people that served vs people that were deployed vs people in combat…on and on. There isn’t any context when simply saying more people have died from Covid than all US service members during warfare last century, especially when people don’t know what that number is, or even why that number is what it is. If you are knowledgeable about such things, you realize the post does a disservice to the severity of Covid, because deployed troops in WWI and WWII had a higher chance of dying (1-40) than someone infected with Covid does (1-61), and roughly the same as Covid in Viet Nam (1-58)

Here is a real simple way to make a better impact- More people have died in the US from Covid than people attend any single NFL teams home games annually.

You’re wasting your time.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Next round of the anti-vaxxer game of goal-post moving. "We just want more choices", which leads to "We want Novovax" (knowing full well that it may never come to market in the US), which then leads to "Pfizer and the US government are deliberately keeping Novovax from us... for reasons... something, something...follow the money!" (While ignoring all evidence that counters this narrative, btw).

For the adults in the room...I'm not sure where Novovax stands in the testing and regulatory process, but I'm pretty sure if it ever comes.to market, it will be a niche product, at best. The reason is because the manufacturing process involves cell cultures, which are much more labour-intensive to produce. The mRNA from Pfizer and Moderna, however, can be easily replicated in exponentially increasing amounts using a polymerase chain reaction incubator. There's no way a cell culture vaccine can be scaled up to similar output.