Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Kevin_W

Kevin_W

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DisneyCane said:
Compared to last week it looks like 225,459 new FL residents got vaccinated. To make any progress, that needs to be a daily number, not a weekly number. Just barely over 1% of the population in a week during the height of the Delta surge that should be scaring people into finally giving in. There's still 32% of the eligible population that hasn't started the process. The real problem continues to be people under 40.
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I'm sure some of those look and say: if I get the shot today it will be 5-6 weeks until I'm "fully vaccinated". By then it will be over.

Others will still say the same thing: I'm healthy, I don't need it. This is a hoax. The vaccine itself has killed 13,000 people already, it's too dangerous (I read the last one today).
 
JoeCamel

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mmascari said:
I really wish that have more colors beyond just red. A larger breakdown with many different shades of red. I'm not saying any of the red areas are good, but some of them are much much worse than others.

This just like using whole percentages that give us 100 buckets when all the interesting stuff happens in the last 2 buckets. The 4 buckets of Community Transmission hide the different levels of bad and make them all sound like they're exactly the same.

From the CDC site:
  • Blue (Low Transmission): Counties with fewer than 10 cumulative cases per 100,000 population in the past 7 days, and a cumulative NAAT percent test positivity result below 5% in the past 7 days.
  • Yellow (Moderate Transmission): Counties with 10-49 cumulative cases per 100,000 population or a cumulative NAAT test positivity result between 5.0-7.9% in the past 7 days.
  • Orange (Substantial Transmission): Counties with 50-99 cumulative cases per 100,000 population or a cumulative NAAT test positivity result between 8.0-9.9% in the past 7 days.
  • Red (High Transmission): Counties with cumulative cases =100 per 100,000 population or a cumulative NAAT test positivity result =10.0% in the past 7 days.

It makes it look like Orange County FL at 642/100K and 18.51% positivity is exactly the same as Philadelphia County PA at 190/100K and 6.49%. They're both Red and "not good", but Philadelphia is like brick wall Red and Orange County is Screaming Fire Engine Red.

Which makes the map undervalued and deceptive on how bad some areas are.
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DisneyCane said:
I'm guessing that from a community transmission standpoint, once a county enters the "high" range they've determined that the risk of an individual catching it isn't appreciably different between the low end and high end. Essentially, you statistically reach a point where you are unlikely to avoid exposure in a given amount of time interacting in public. Once that point is reached it doesn't matter if you are likely to be exposed or really likely to be exposed.

I can only assume that if there was a major difference they'd have more colors.
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LuvtheGoof said:
Well, someone at the CDC or my state is really cooking the numbers then. According to my state's COVID website, my county has a positivity rate of less than 5% for the past 7 days, and only just over 18 cumulative cases per 100,000. That should make my county either Blue or Yellow, and the CDC website has us at Red. Hard to know what to believe anymore.
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mmascari said:
That doesn't seem right. I suppose at some point it would have to be. But at 100/100K doesn't feel like it's that point, seems to low. If if was, every state over 100/100K should be seeing about about the same growth rate and headed for all the same higher numbers. At least for places where people are doing similar mitigation and vaccination. At a glance, different states seem to be more different than that.


Eh, I'm not confident they would put the nuance into the color scheme. There is some value in not making them different when not everywhere is Red. Since they want to convey that Red is bad. It's only once the entire map is Red that the breakdown becomes more important. It's not like any of the color chart indicators every delivered nuance. This one just feels useless now that it's bad everywhere.
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That map is colorful garbage as it relies on the reporting of the counties. Nebraska as a whole does not track or report and those texas counties that are blue have decided mah freedoms be more important that reporting public health numbers.
 
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DisneyCane

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JoeCamel said:
That map is colorful garbage as it relies on the reporting of the counties. Nebraska as a whole does not track or report and those texas counties that are blue have decided mah freedoms be more important that reporting public health numbers.
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Didn't one of the COVID legislation packages require reporting to the CDC?
 
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DisneyCane

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Kevin_W said:
I'm sure some of those look and say: if I get the shot today it will be 5-6 weeks until I'm "fully vaccinated". By then it will be over.

Others will still say the same thing: I'm healthy, I don't need it. This is a hoax. The vaccine itself has killed 13,000 people already, it's too dangerous (I read the last one today).
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Whatever they want to say, it's clear that more people should be getting vaccinated. Taking a quick skim through the whole report that breaks down the counties, it seems like the dividing line between a lot of cases and over 1% of the population testing positive in a week is around 60% of the eligible residents being vaccinated. When over 1% is testing positive that means 0.1%-0.2% will end up in the hospital.
 
Heppenheimer

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DisneyCane said:
Compared to last week it looks like 225,459 new FL residents got vaccinated. To make any progress, that needs to be a daily number, not a weekly number. Just barely over 1% of the population in a week during the height of the Delta surge that should be scaring people into finally giving in. There's still 32% of the eligible population that hasn't started the process. The real problem continues to be people under 40.
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And to be clear, this isn't just a Florida or even a Southern problem. Even in Vermont, today was the first day I saw that the 18-29 age demographic was over 60% vaccinated. In comparison, our 70-74 year olds are at 99% and have been there all summer.
 
Parker in NYC

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Looks like the AdventHealth morgues in Orange County have reached capacity. Maybe Disney would be willing to go the Florida Blue route and create an AdventHealth lounge in Epcot to use for spillover. Living with the Land looks free. And free cucumbers for the bereaved!
 
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Lilofan

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Parker in NYC said:
Looks like the AdventHealth morgues in Orange County have reached capacity. Maybe Disney would be willing to go the Florida Blue route and create an AdventHealth lounge in Epcot to use for spillover. Living with the Land looks free. And free cucumbers for the bereaved!
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Advent Health Central Florida seems to have more options than the hospitals in New Orleans. I saw on ABC news that there are no plans to move patients to other hospitals. There are no rooms at the other inns. Hurricane Ida is now upgraded to a monster Category 4 hurricane approaching this Sunday at the coast of LA and New Orleans with also a predicted rainfall of 10-20 inches and 15 ft storm surge . That type of rainfall/ surge would put New Orleans under water.
 
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lazyboy97o

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Lilofan said:
Advent Health Central Florida seems to have more options than the hospitals in New Orleans. I saw on ABC news that there are no plans to move patients to other hospitals. There are no rooms at the other inns. Hurricane Ida is now upgraded to a monster Category 4 hurricane approaching this Sunday at the coast of LA and New Orleans with also a predicted rainfall of 10-20 inches and 15 ft storm surge . That type of rainfall/ surge would put New Orleans under water.
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A hospital is probably one of the safest places to ride out a hurricane, even a Category 4 storm. They have to have generators and as a Risk Category IV building in a high wind area need to handle 160 mph gusts of wind.
 
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Lilofan

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Timmay said:
It depends on where the generator is located.
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That's true. If a hospital generator or any generator in general is subjected to flooding , that's bad. The patients lives depend on a working generator. Also when my family member's Generac whole house generator up North was covered by 20 feet of snow, the snow had to be shoveled out so the generator could work.
 
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Touchdown

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lazyboy97o said:
A hospital is probably one of the safest places to ride out a hurricane, even a Category 4 storm. They have to have generators and as a Risk Category IV building in a high wind area need to handle 160 mph gusts of wind.
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Do you forget what happened during Katrina?

www.nytimes.com

The Deadly Choices at Memorial (Published 2009)

The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina at Memorial Medical Center in New Orleans.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Imagine that happens again but at every hospital.
 
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