Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GenerationX]

The only thing that I think will move the needle (heh) on vaccinations is availability of the Novavax vaccine. It's built on "classic" vaccine technology, so there are fewer arguments against it. It's not briefly teaching your body to make (harmless) spike proteins, and it's not known for clotting. Novavax is the vaccine for people who don't think they need a vaccine, but would consider it if there were less real or perceived harm in taking it.

 

[celluloid]

The only thing that I think will move the needle (heh) on vaccinations is availability of the Novavax vaccine. It's built on "classic" vaccine technology, so there are fewer arguments against it. It's not briefly teaching your body to make (harmless) spike proteins, and it's not known for clotting. Novavax is the vaccine for people who don't think they need a vaccine, but would consider it if there were less real or perceived harm in taking it.

That is only goin to move that needle slightly. Anything is good, but these extremists are showing to make excuses no matter what. I am ready and would love to be proven wrong.

 

[Lilofan]

Hospitals are cancelling their money making elective procedures to free up staff and resources to treat COVID patients. There are vaccinated people suffering because their care is being delayed to treat people who did not get vaccinated.

100% on point. Doesn't even include vaccinated people needing to go to ER. Be prepared for much longer waits. A few think that vaccinated are shaming unvaccinated. I don't think so.

 

[Disney Analyst]

America has a new slogan.

America - the land of the free… antivaxxers.

(For real though, they are everywhere? Who let them out?)

 

[celluloid]

America has a new slogan.

America - the land of the free… antivaxxers.

(For real though, they are everywhere? Who let them out?)

Their insurance should rightfully increase. And that is a reality we may be going to.

 

[Lilofan]

America has a new slogan.

America - the land of the free… antivaxxers.

(For real though, they are everywhere? Who let them out?)

Antivaxxers aka " human rights violations" took on another meaning in some peoples minds.

 

[BrianLo]

The problem is everybody thinks they are an expert because they read a study. One should always ask questions, but at the end of the day, the experts are the experts. And yes, sometimes information changes when you’re dealing with something novel, like a novel coronavirus.

This may seem harsh, but most people do not have the knowledge-base to "seek out... then decide for themselves", much less knowing which sources to use for which specific questions.

I wish we could boycott "doing my own research" from the public Lexicon. Let's be real, no one has "done research". If they have, I'd love for them to post their peer reviewed study for us.

I think it would be generous to say almost anyone here has even done a literature review. Certainly almost no one has gone to the primary literature.

What people mean is they read a random smattering of whatever supports their beliefs from their social media algorithm.

 

[BrianLo]

But ask yourself, (and there still isn’t any answer to this question) why has there been absolutely no meaningful increase in hospital capacity in the 18+ months of Covid. Isn’t it crazy that the hospitals are STILL UNPREPARED for surges? Why i$ that?

The problem with staffing is that we can't wait a magic wand and make more nurses... and certainly doctors in 18 months. Outside of recognizing foreign trained grads, which I would be for.

Hospitals have not added capacity to deal with Covid (more beds and equipment) because that requires a large investment for something that is seen to possibly not be as prevalent in 12-24 months, therefore not worthy of spending money.

I do think that is a US failing though. We've added all sorts of surge capacity, equipment and even field hospitals up here.

I honestly do not know enough of what is happening in the US to make commentary on it. But my Gestalt has been they never seem to have figured out or bothered 'preparing'. I agree with you it's kind of shocking we are this many waves in and there still is not really 'a plan'.

 

[LittleBuford]

It's no wonder there is so much mistrust with news outlets and journalism when it comes to Covid (or any topic in general these days).
I did a Google search on Tokyo Covid since the Olympics are soon to wrap-up later today. The first two news stories that pop up are complete contradictions of each other. Maybe if there was more consistency among those doing the reporting, there'd be slightly less insanity and mistrust fueling the chaos we're living in.
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If you read past the headlines, you’ll see there is no contradiction. From the first article you circled:

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The organisers recorded 404 Games-related infections since July 1. They carried out close to 600,000 screening tests with the infection rate of 0.02%.​

The situation inside the "bubble" stood in sharp contrast to outside, with a surge in infections fuelled by the Delta variant hitting daily records and for the first time crossing 5,000 in the host city, threatening to overwhelm Tokyo's hospitals.​

In other words, the Olympics seem not to have contributed, as feared, to Japan’s COVID crisis, but that crisis, which was already getting bad before the games began, continues to worsen.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

If you read past the headlines, you’ll see there is no contradiction. From the first article you circled:

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The organisers recorded 404 Games-related infections since July 1. They carried out close to 600,000 screening tests with the infection rate of 0.02%.​

The situation inside the "bubble" stood in sharp contrast to outside, with a surge in infections fuelled by the Delta variant hitting daily records and for the first time crossing 5,000 in the host city, threatening to overwhelm Tokyo's hospitals.​

In other words, the Olympics seem not to have contributed, as feared, to Japan’s COVID crisis, but that crisis, which was already getting bad before the games began, continues to worsen.

Exactly right. That’s the problem people have that just read headlines and don’t read the article. I’m not saying that headlined sometimes don’t sensationalize something, that happens.
Just catching up on last nights post. Looks like someone needed a snickers.

 

[Sans Souci]

The only thing that I think will move the needle (heh) on vaccinations is availability of the Novavax vaccine. It's built on "classic" vaccine technology, so there are fewer arguments against it. It's not briefly teaching your body to make (harmless) spike proteins, and it's not known for clotting. Novavax is the vaccine for people who don't think they need a vaccine, but would consider it if there were less real or perceived harm in taking it.

Moth cells are used in the production of Novavax. People will be worried about that, too. "It's gonna turn you into Mothra."

 

[Lilofan]

Moth cells are used in the production of Novavax. People will be worried about that, too. "It's gonna turn you into Mothra."

Those Japanese black and white Godzilla and Mothra movies back in the day were oh so classic! Disney should show those movies when we eat at the Sci Fi drive in at DHS.

 

[Heppenheimer]

For real?

They are stretched so thin because hospital and large conglomerate healthcare systems refuse to pay for additional staffing. Remember our healthcare system is a giant profit making enterprise. More nurses and doctors hurt the bottom line. So it always turns out to be what’s the least they can get away with.

But ask yourself, (and there still isn’t any answer to this question) why has there been absolutely no meaningful increase in hospital capacity in the 18+ months of Covid. Isn’t it crazy that the hospitals are STILL UNPREPARED for surges? Why i$ that?

There aren't exactly a ton of excess doctors and nurses out there. These aren't like entry-level CMs that you can train in a matternof weeks.

 

[monothingie]

There aren't exactly a ton of excess doctors and nurses out there. These aren't like entry-level CMs that you can train in a matternof weeks.

New Capacity does not necessarily need to be from new healthcare workers, rather it could be as simple as reallocating resources from other areas to temporarily boost capacity. It can be achieved very easily….if the price is right.

In 2020 during the initial surge you had nurses and doctors traveling from one area of the country to another. Why? Because they were being paid many times their normal wage. I know a nurse who traveled from the west coast to the east who was given a free apartment and made more money in three months than in an entire year.

 

[danlb_2000]

Just got back from a week of traveling for work... not sure if I should work next week or not. It doesn’t seem smart... but the alternative is “hiding in my basement” as some people like to say.

Doesn't your company have a policy for this?

 

[Figgy1]

Using NYC former Covid ground zero for t he US as an example. Not a single one of the city owned hospitals have added any capacity or hired any nurses. In fact they have had to lay off nurses.

Adding physical capacity doesn’t necessarily mean building wings. Converting standard rooms into ICU rooms, purchasing additional equipment, etc. (Don’t give me BS about shortages) They’ve had over a year and a half to procure equipment and prepare.

Nurses to some extent are specialists and nurses don't grow on trees. Hospitals in NJ and NJ did hire temp nurses during the first wave from areas of the country that didn't have the initial surge. Rinse and repeat since the start. Traveling nurses aren't enough to get hospitals hit hard out of this mess

 

[Bob Harlem]

Just got back from a week of traveling for work... not sure if I should work next week or not. It doesn’t seem smart... but the alternative is “hiding in my basement” as some people like to say.

I've been traveling for work all over the US and a few times to the UK since June of last year, and in "high risk" places to boot (including a few hospital environments). I never caught the virus, even before vaccinated (and was tested too many times I want to count). You will most likely be fine despite the thread hyperbole.

 

[Smooth]

It's not just the USA

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dw.com/en/france-italy-see-mass-protests-against-covid-health-pass/a-58794976&ved=2ahUKEwiIqM3stqHyAhWKVc0KHWhZAncQxfQBMAR6BAgLEAM&usg=AOvVaw2o-l0P5s-C3J25TyPz3P2b

 

[DisneyFan32]

It's not just the USA

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dw.com/en/france-italy-see-mass-protests-against-covid-health-pass/a-58794976&ved=2ahUKEwiIqM3stqHyAhWKVc0KHWhZAncQxfQBMAR6BAgLEAM&usg=AOvVaw2o-l0P5s-C3J25TyPz3P2b

Tell someone in the world to call the Protestbusters now...I wonder they are in NYC along with Ghostbusters.

 

[carolina_yankee]

In 2021 we still have a virus spreading and filling up hospitals. Keeping Disney world open is ignoring the obvious reality.

Again, what is the remedy for the economic devastation that will result? You'r not just closing Disney World - you're closing, at a minimum, all theme parks in Florida and any other mass gathering place if you are going to be logically consistent. You are then destroying the ancillary businesses unless you prop them up with grants of some kind.

Meanwhile, over here on a table, is a little syringe with a vaccine that can avoid that.

I'll be willing to shut things down for six weeks *if* we require every unvaccinated person to get a shot or put on a tracking bracelet and stay under house arrest until they get vaccinated. One extreme deserves another.

In the meantime, simply requiring people to mask, encouraging vaccines, monitoring vaccine status, and reducing capacity will keep people employed and safe.