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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

jpinkc

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According to the article above, the Columbian variant is only 10% of cases in south Florida...they're watching to see if that increases to see if it will become dominant, but they don't think it will because it's not as robust as Delta.
Yeah I read about the Lambda variant, and the report I read said it did not have the high transmission rate of Delta. But it was on the rise in the US, but less than 10% of new cases had it.
 

jpinkc

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@techgeek Hope your recovery is swift!! (or even more a False/Postive). Hope the wife dodges it too!! Mine had threatened to kill me if I bring it home. Sucks to be an Essential worker o_O. I still find that term kinda ridiculous in the situation.
 

James J

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No one in my household has had need of testing but from what I understand there are government run test sites where you can get tested free of charge. It was much advertised by the government that covid testing would be free, but I know quite a few people who went to private doctors or urgent care centers thinking the test was free only to later receive a bill in the mail. My understanding is that in those situations, although the government technically picked up the tab for the actual test, the doctors office or facility can charge a fee to administer the test, in some cases more than $100.

That's mad. As @Flugell said, we have access to free home testing in the UK as well as free drive through PCR testing. They're super quick on the delivery for the home testing kits too - I ordered some last Wednesday after being told to self-isolate because of close contact, and they turned up the next morning. Thankfully all negative so far!
 

Patcheslee

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No one in my household has had need of testing but from what I understand there are government run test sites where you can get tested free of charge. It was much advertised by the government that covid testing would be free, but I know quite a few people who went to private doctors or urgent care centers thinking the test was free only to later receive a bill in the mail. My understanding is that in those situations, although the government technically picked up the tab for the actual test, the doctors office or facility can charge a fee to administer the test, in some cases more than $100.
That's what we have around here, with insurance the office visit charge is $98. The only government site in town shut down a few months ago, so no one has free access. People without insurance it's $130 office visit.
On top of that employers policy is we only get paid short term disability IF a test is positive. If we report symptoms but a negative test result, we still can't return to work for 10 days, and we don't get paid. We're back to people not wanting to self report because they may have to go without pay. For me it's the equivalent of losing around $1000 take home pay.
 

DisneyCane

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I’m sorry to hear and hope you recover quickly.

An acquaintance on my FB page posted yesterday that he went to a small get together (not a party) at someone’s home recently, and one unvaccinated person who later tested positive infected 6 people who were all fully vaccinated.

It would appear viral load (via extended exposure) has something to do with this.

Any idea the percentage of vaccinated people infected? I'm curious what it is in comparison to the Cape outbreak.
I would hope that when they are investigating these outbreaks of breakthrough infections they are taking a deep dive into other things that can potentially be in common. Are there medications in common that the people involved are taking? What about supplements? Do they use any illegal substances? Did they take Tylenol as a prophylactic prior to getting vaccinated?

In the case of the story from @Tony the Tigger it could be as simple as a home with poor ventilation and a super spreader unvaccinated person with extremely high viral load. However, I think the CDC should be studying these type of breakthrough outbreaks in great detail to see if anything can be learned from them.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Excellent article for both sides of the debate of vaccinations and other things relating to Covid and the big divide in this country. Actually starts off with a Disneyland cast member on not being vaccinated. Must read.

 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes
Excellent article for both sides of the debate of vaccinations and other things relating to Covid and the big divide in this country. Actually starts off with a Disneyland cast member on not being vaccinated. Must read.

Anti-vaxxs needs to stop and TAKE A VACCINE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
 

DisneyCane

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More and more I am wondering if this pandemic will actually end anytime soon. If 21k cases and increases in hospitalizations won't significantly move the needle on vaccinations in Florida and other lagging areas, I do not know what will.
The needle has moved. Over twice as many FL residents got first doses this past week than the prior week. I don't know if it will move the needle enough but it has definitely moved it.

It is likely that this spike will be past the peak by the time people who got first shots last week are fully vaccinated but if enough people are motivated to get vaccinated now, it could prevent a future spike.
 

Touchdown

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Thanks to delta you have two choices: vaccine or disease. If you pick the former you have a fraction of a percent chance of a (nearly always) transient side effect. You also have a chance at still getting the mild disease, but if you do your chances of it being serious is infantessmal.

If you choose the latter you have a 1 in 100 chance of dying, 1 in 20 chance of requiring hospitalization and a bill in the thousands of dollars, potentially leaving you with permanent side effects, and a 100% chance of having to call in sick to work for 2 weeks. Your choice, but thanks to the infectability of delta you will get the disease, it’s only a matter of time.

The only reason this hasn’t been said out loud is the fear of panic in parents, kids vaccines need to be rolled out ASAP.
 

DisneyCane

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Excellent article for both sides of the debate of vaccinations and other things relating to Covid and the big divide in this country. Actually starts off with a Disneyland cast member on not being vaccinated. Must read.


Anti-vaxxs needs to stop and TAKE A VACCINE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

Although the focus is on the anti-vaxxers the larger issue, in general, is young people under 40. Look at the latest FL stats.

20-29 only 41% with at least one dose, 30-39 only 49%. Before trying to deal with the 20% of hard core anti-vaxxers, let's deal with the 39% of 20-29 year olds and 31% of 30-39 year olds that haven't gotten shots but aren't anti-vaxxers. They are the bigger problem right now.
 

SamusAranX

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Thanks to delta you have two choices: vaccine or disease. If you pick the former you have a fraction of a percent chance of a (nearly always) transient side effect. You also have a chance at still getting the mild disease, but if you do your chances of it being serious is infantessmal.

If you choose the latter you have a 1 in 100 chance of dying, 1 in 20 chance of requiring hospitalization and a bill in the thousands of dollars, potentially leaving you with permanent side effects, and a 100% chance of having to call in sick to work for 2 weeks. Your choice, but thanks to the infectability of delta you will get the disease, it’s only a matter of time.

The only reason this hasn’t been said out loud is the fear of panic in parents, kids vaccines need to be rolled out ASAP.
It's anecdotal, and obviously the world doesn't revolve around me, but I have a close friend who can't get vaccinated as he's had severe reactions to other vaccines in the past. And now because of Delta, I may have to limit contact with him, yet again.

I am sick of adjusting and pivoting. I got two months of normal from vaccination and now we're in round 8, no thanks to many selfish folks.
 

DisneyCane

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Thanks to delta you have two choices: vaccine or disease. If you pick the former you have a fraction of a percent chance of a (nearly always) transient side effect. You also have a chance at still getting the mild disease, but if you do your chances of it being serious is infantessmal.

If you choose the latter you have a 1 in 100 chance of dying, 1 in 20 chance of requiring hospitalization and a bill in the thousands of dollars, potentially leaving you with permanent side effects, and a 100% chance of having to call in sick to work for 2 weeks. Your choice, but thanks to the infectability of delta you will get the disease, it’s only a matter of time.

The only reason this hasn’t been said out loud is the fear of panic in parents, kids vaccines need to be rolled out ASAP.
I agree with the sentiment but I don't think that nearly 100% of the unvaccinated will end up getting infected. For whatever reason, viral spread doesn't seem to work that way, at least in the medium term.

I guess if COVID becomes endemic and is around forever, eventually everybody who doesn't keep current with vaccinations will get infected at some point but it is unlikely to happen within a year or two.

I don't pretend to know why it works this way but even Fauci described the outbreak curve and what it looks like back at the beginning. Each wave seems to follow a bell shaped curve and eventually ends.
 

Touchdown

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I agree with the sentiment but I don't think that nearly 100% of the unvaccinated will end up getting infected. For whatever reason, viral spread doesn't seem to work that way, at least in the medium term.

I guess if COVID becomes endemic and is around forever, eventually everybody who doesn't keep current with vaccinations will get infected at some point but it is unlikely to happen within a year or two.

I don't pretend to know why it works this way but even Fauci described the outbreak curve and what it looks like back at the beginning. Each wave seems to follow a bell shaped curve and eventually ends.
0.5% of the Florida population got Covid this week. If the CDC is right and the R0 is 8 then we can expect 4% of the population to get sick over the next two weeks from Covid, and then the following 2 weeks that number balloons to 32%. That doesn’t count the people who get symptomatic after getting the disease from a person diagnosed before this week, just from last weeks case. This will happen until peak, which is again 2-3 weeks away. When you figure that the unvaccinated make up a minority of the population, 100% infected with Covid for the unvaxxed is not far off, especially if the peak is 3-4 weeks away. That’s why this is so scary.
 

SamusAranX

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0.5% of the Florida population got Covid this week. If the CDC is right and the R0 is 8 then we can expect 4% of the population to get sick over the next two weeks from Covid, and then the following 2 weeks that number balloons to 32%. That doesn’t count the people who get symptomatic after getting the disease from a person diagnosed before this week, just from last weeks case. This will happen until peak, which is again 2-3 weeks per day. When you figure that the unvaccinated make up a minority of the population, 100% infected with Covid for the unvaxxed is not far off, especially if the peak is 3-4 weeks away. That’s why this is so scary.
Those numbers are mind boggling.

but many in Florida have already been infected prior to this surge; can they be infected by Delta, if they already had Alpha or another variant? Or the jury is still out?
 

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